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Ought Six
04-29-2009, 02:00 AM
I have been thinking about the flu and our food supply. A very large portion of the people who pick, process, cook, pack and serve our food are Mexican illegals. Some of them may be newly arrived in the country. Others may be hosting relatives recently arrived from Mexico, fleeing the epidemic. Other workers in the industry will be infected by them and from other sources. This includes food processing plants, restaurants, supermarkets and more.

So what foods present an unacceptable risk? Here are some of the ones I came up with:

- Baked goods. I think that I have already purchased my last loaf of bread, my last box of cookies and my last pastry until this thing is over. These items are handled after baking and cooling by people while being packaged. Even plants with fully automated lines have inspectors watching over the whole process, standing there as the food whizzes by on belts. I will instead be buying frozen bread dough and perhaps making bread from scratch. Frozen cookie dough is another good alternative. Those rolls in cardboard tubes are also an option.

- Meat. Pork is out for me. You have to cook it to an internal temperature of 160º, which is overcooked. Overcooked pork is nasty. Since pigs are subject to infection, that sort of cooking is needed. I will pass on that.

Beef is apparently not subject to infection, so cooking the outside should be adequate. But hamburger is another matter entirely. It is processed in meat packing plants, and would again have to be badly overcooked. So except for using it in baked casseroles, the only hamburger I will be using is that which I grind myself.

Chicken is also subject to infection. The only acceptable form I can come up with is chicken soup. That cooks it thoroughly enough to kill the virus.

I have never been a big seafood fan, and seafood seems to be the perfect breeding ground for pathogens. It also usually requires a lot of human hands-on handling. I am going to lay off the seafood until this is over.

- Prepared foods. These are out altogether. I will not be eating out or getting prepared foods at supermarkets again until the epidemic is over. The only lunches I will be eating is that which I prepared myself. No cold cuts from the deli or market; only meats I cooked and sliced myself.

- Frozen foods. Frozen foods that will be cooked should be okay. No more ice cream for me, unless I get an ice cream maker. No bag ice from the market.

- Fresh produce. Fresh stuff that is well cooked is acceptable. Steaming is good, as it is hot, but does not overcook the veggies and destroy the nutrition. Anything with a tough skin on it, I can rinse in a weak bleach solution and still eat raw. Lettuce is out, as it cannot be processed that way. I am going to have to start some potted lettuce. Bags of peeled baby carrots are out, unless cooked.

- Grains. Rice, pasta and flour all need to be cooked, and thus should be fine. Same with beans (except prepared bean salads). Raw grains in any form are out.

- Nuts and granola. These are all handled by people during their preperation and packaging, and so are out. I may be baking my own granola.

- Dairy. While all but raw milk is pasturized, I am going to stick with shelf stable milk from here on out. It is treated at very high temps to kill *everything* in it. I will only be using butter for cooking. I seem to recall that cheese is safe from pathogens because the bacteria that culture the milk give off natural pathogen-killing substances.


One other thing to think about it disinfecting the outside of packages, cans and bottles as you unpack what you bought at the market. They have been handled by a number of people, and perhaps coughed on. Stocking up on disinfectant wipes to use for this purpose would be a good idea. I am not sure how long the virus can live on surfaces at room temp. For this reason, I do not know if packaged or canned goods can be be considered uncontaminated on the outside if purchased by the case. Better safe than sorry.

spinnerholic
04-29-2009, 03:47 AM
Raw grains in any form are out.

What raw grains are eaten raw? I can't think of a single one. Don't you cook or bake, like for granola, all grains before eating them?

Susie
04-29-2009, 05:06 AM
Is this the 'hate Mexicans' thread?

pocketfullaposie
04-29-2009, 03:30 PM
yesterday i headed over to the grocery after hearing avocados were on sale for $1. each. while looking for some that weren't too ripe yet i turned to the woman next to me and said, laughing, "hope they don't have germs on em! they are from Mexico."

the look on her face was priceless. she dropped that avo so fast, saying dazedly, "oooh yeaah, i hadn't thought of that..." and walked away.

i bought 5 of em.

flourbug
04-29-2009, 03:35 PM
Susie, this is spreading around the world. It's wise advice on how to avoid infection if we bring items that can carry germs into our homes. It has nothing to do with nationality.

drummagick
04-29-2009, 03:51 PM
Where can you get shelf stable milk?

flourbug
04-29-2009, 04:02 PM
drummagick, it is commonly sold as Parmalat, but there are other brands. Soy milk is also sold in shelf stable packages.

Ought Six
04-29-2009, 04:46 PM
I have been buying organic shelf stable milk and half & half at Whole Foods, but it is expensive; $3.59 a quart, and nearly as much for three little 8 oz. individual packs of lowfat milk. I only use milk in my coffee or for the occassional recipe that calls for it, so I can afford this. If you are a big milk drinker and are not rich, forget it. I would go with a bulk purchase of dry whole milk, if you can find it.

Potemkin
04-29-2009, 04:57 PM
drummagick, it is commonly sold as Parmalat, but there are other brands. Soy milk is also sold in shelf stable packages.

Borden also has shelf stable milk in my area.

Potemkin
04-29-2009, 04:58 PM
It would be nice to have that "Country of Origin" label on there about now, wouldn't it? :D

Ought Six
04-29-2009, 05:09 PM
I would avoid drinking a lot of soy milk. It contains estrogen analogs that will really mess with your body.

I use almond milk on my cereal. It is alkalai, and thus helps balance pH. It is low in fat, as it is made from the almond paste remaining after almond oil is pressed out of the nut. I use the original flavor, and I like it a lot. My sister likes the vanilla flavor, warmed up with a little good quality vanillia extract added. Trader Joe's has a pretty good price on it (under $2/quart). Unfortunately, it for some reason it tastes really bad in coffee, but it is good for drinking by itself.

Sonny
04-29-2009, 07:37 PM
When grocery shopping for fresh produce especially fruit. It is not uncommon for costumers to handle every piece of fruit. By the time you've made your selections there is no telling how many other people's hands have been on them. I recently saw a lady in the produce dept selecting fruit and she was using one of the plastic bags as a glove on her hand and then putting her selection into a second bag.,
I thought that she must be pretty smart,

CanadaSue
04-29-2009, 08:30 PM
Sonny, that's a great idea. I'll start doing that.

blue gecko
04-29-2009, 08:39 PM
actually thats not a bad idea Sonny. Virus's can live something like 72 hours on surfaces. The main thing I would think is not to touch your nose, mouth or eyes while you are in the "exposed" phase like when you've gone shopping. As soon as possible wash your hands and remember that your purchases have been exposed too! so will your counter tops where you put your groceries as you unpack them.

Not to be paranoid but.... Might be a good idea to wait to put up canned goods and non perishables and wash or spritz the perishables as you put them away then clean your counter thoroughly

Ought Six
04-29-2009, 10:21 PM
Excellent technique, Sonny.

Thinking about this a little more, take and bake stuff is going to save me a lot of work. You can get take and bake pizzas, pies, entrees, frozen bread dough, frozen cookie dough or cookie dough in a tube or tub, fresh pizza dough, and more. Since you cook it yourself, it is all safe to eat.