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MtnGeek
11-24-2008, 07:08 PM
Return of the Neanderthals
If we can resurrect them through fossil DNA, should we?
By William Saletan
Posted Monday, Nov. 24, 2008, at 7:57 AM ET

Here's the next question in the evolution debate: We know roughly how the sequence of life ran forward in time. What about running it backward? How would you feel about rewinding human evolution to a species that's almost like us, but not quite?

Last week in Nature, scientists reported major progress in sequencing the genome of woolly mammoths. They reconstructed it from two fossilized hair samples. One was 20,000 years old; the other was 65,000 years old. Now, according to Nicholas Wade of the New York Times, biologists are discussing "how to modify the DNA in an elephant's egg so that after each round of changes it would progressively resemble the DNA in a mammoth egg. The final-stage egg could then be brought to term in an elephant mother."

Cool, huh? But that's not the half of it. Wade notes:

The full genome of the Neanderthal, an ancient human species probably driven to extinction by the first modern humans that entered Europe some 45,000 years ago, is expected to be recovered shortly. If the mammoth can be resurrected, the same would be technically possible for Neanderthals.

In fact, Wade points out, there are good reasons to re-create a Neanderthal: "No one knows if Neanderthals could speak. A living one would answer that question and many others."

Whoa there, says Richard Doerflinger of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops: "Catholic teaching opposes all human cloning, and all production of human beings in the laboratory, so I do not see how any of this could be ethically acceptable in humans." Wade concedes that "there would be several ethical issues in modifying modern human DNA to that of another human species."

Note the qualifiers: modern human DNA. Another human species. As this uncomfortable reality of the past becomes a future prospect—transitional creatures between human and nonhuman—the "human dignity" framework starts to look a bit shaky. George Church, a leading geneticist, suggests (in Wade's paraphrase) that scientists could "modify not a human genome but that of the chimpanzee," bringing it "close enough to that of Neanderthals, [with] the embryo brought to term in a chimpanzee." No human clones or products involved. At least, no "modern" humans. This leaves the question of whether we're entitled to mess around in the lab with "another human species." But it's hard to see how the bishops and other religious critics of biotechnology can plunge into this area, having drawn a tight moral line around our species.

Every serious scientist knows that we and other animals evolved from the same ancestors. The real question today is whether to put our DNA and theirs back together. Until now, that question has been raised in the form of human-animal hybrids made in labs for research. You can argue that these are somehow wrong because they're newfangled and artificial. But what can you say about Neanderthals? They were made by nature, not industry. In fact, we're the industrial villains who apparently wiped them out. They're as natural as we are.

If we do this Church's way, I don't see how conservatives can object. They didn't object last year when scientists announced the cloning of rhesus macaque embryos. That, too, was the creation of nonhuman primate life. Follow the human lineage three branches beyond the primate order, and the rhesus macaques are still with us. Follow the human line two more branches, and the chimps are still with us. One more branch, and you're down to us and the Neanderthals. If it's OK to clone a macaque and a chimp, it's pretty hard to explain why, at that last fork in the road, you're forbidden to clone a Neanderthal.

Is the idea repugnant? Absolutely. But that's not because we'd be defacing humanity. It's because we'd be looking at it.

http://www.slate.com/id/2205310/?GT1=38001

Ought Six
11-24-2008, 07:39 PM
I would say that "the Neanderthals are alive and well, and living over at The Daily Kos", but that would be an unwarranted and unbearable insult to a noble hominid race. :D

disastercat
11-25-2008, 06:25 PM
Then there is the other mystery...I have a "perfect" Neanderthal skull (without the brow ridges) according to my physical anthropology teacher, who was so stunned he nearly dropped his instruments when he was showing the class how such measuring is done. Since it is though they had big brains, I figured this was a good thing and I've since met a few other people (mostly with some Germanic ancestors, like me) who also have the long skull and little bump on the back. I even dated one, he was covered in hair nearly all over and used to joke that he didn't need a towel after a shower and say "did you ever try to dry a rug?"

This is one reason why I'm just not convinced a few genes having survived until now and I would not be happy mixing genetic material from a Neanderthal and a chimp any more than I'd like to see chimps (or other close cousins) mixed with modern humans. I'm sadly pretty sure that some one, somewhere, will try this at some point. The results may very well be a viable baby (we are closer than lions and tigers) but perhaps not a very happy adult. A Neanderthal/chimp cross would have similar problems.

I'd rather wait until genetics is better understood before trying to mix Neanderthals with modern humans, though I suspect it did happen in the distant past. My guess is, except for being very powerful and cold adapted, they were not all that different from us. The old idea they could not talk, pretty much died away when a bone was found that should they had the same vocal equipment that modern humans do. Their tools are almost exactly the same as the early modern humans and they showed signs of picking up ideas from the newcomers (like jewelry and new tools) after contact was made. We KNOW they buried their dead, cared for their injured (or crippled) family members and even covered the deceased with flowers. That does not sound like chimp to me. I know that chimps have shown some signs that they may have a few ideas (may be even belief systems) that are close to human, we know they feel grief and can think in terms of past/present and future. But I've never heard of wild chimps laying their dead to rest with wild flowers they would have had to walk over 10 miles to pick for the purpose, some of which have medicinal qualities used today.

No, don't combine chimps with Neanderthal, people maybe some day, but not chimps!