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Dreamweaver
11-29-2008, 11:19 AM
Efforts to support global climate-change falls: Poll

There is both growing public reluctance to make personal sacrifices and a distinct lack of enthusiasm for the major international efforts now underway to battle climate change, according to findings of a poll of 12,000 citizens in 11 countries, including Canada.

http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=f0a1687c-decd-4c72-9d0e-7e6dd92d4ebe

hillsidedigger
11-29-2008, 11:34 AM
Maybe we should put other scientific questions to a popular vote such as:

Is the Earth flat?

Has the world been here more than 6,000 years?

Did people develop from lower life-forms?

and resolve these questions once and for all.

BirdGuano
11-29-2008, 01:46 PM
First I think the distinction needs to be made between global warming (which is also happening on places like Mars without human intervention) and supposed HUMAN caused global warming on earth (which is still in serious debate).

Teal
11-29-2008, 02:01 PM
A poll on global warming, compliments of those who don't know their butt from a hole in the ground, let alone having a background in science. Yeah, that's significant.

Lars
11-29-2008, 02:10 PM
cc: Pres Obama

BirdGuano
11-29-2008, 02:20 PM
A poll on global warming, compliments of those who don't know their butt from a hole in the ground, let alone having a background in science. Yeah, that's significant.

It just appears that current economics trumps climate hyperbole.

:beer:

And your scientific bonafides are what exactly again ?

:laugh:

Teal
11-29-2008, 03:30 PM
Well, actually, I have a degree in Biology, but you don't need any "bonafides" to recognize that a poll of the masses concerning a scientific issue is totally insignificant.

Your post makes no sense.

Potemkin
11-29-2008, 03:34 PM
The scientific method is the scientific method.

When a position becomes dogmatic or public relations is used to stifle dissent, that is when I have a problem.

BirdGuano
11-29-2008, 03:39 PM
Well, actually, I have a degree in Biology, but you don't need any "bonafides" to recognize that a poll of the masses concerning a scientific issue is totally insignificant.


On the contrary public support is VERY significant if one expects to effect any type of change.

Teal
11-29-2008, 04:59 PM
On the contrary public support is VERY significant if one expects to effect any type of change.

True...but a leap of logic in terms of whether such a poll is significant. Global warming, or cooling, or neither...is neither affected of effected by such a poll.

dyrt
11-30-2008, 06:51 PM
The poll was about the solutions not the science. More people are not liking the solutions being imposed by the global warming religious nuts.

BirdGuano
11-30-2008, 08:44 PM
The poll was about the solutions not the science. More people are not liking the solutions being imposed by the global warming religious nuts.


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Oric
12-02-2008, 03:29 AM
I would not be suprised if Canadians vote "YES" for global warming. After all their country would benefit in the end

Auburn Boy
12-02-2008, 03:45 AM
Polling Citizens for their opinion on what is important to them does NOT change current global warming science (or controversy.)

Fiddlerdave
12-02-2008, 03:49 AM
More people (20%) are willing to spend money personally on preventing GW than seem to be willing to stockpile personal prep supplies.

BuilderBob
12-02-2008, 07:55 AM
Polling Citizens for their opinion on what is important to them does NOT change current global warming science (or controversy.)

Or what happens in the real world. :D

A.T. Hagan
12-02-2008, 09:53 AM
Well, let's see. The price of crude oil is less than half of what it was earlier this year and the price of gasoline in the U.S. is less than half of what it was earlier this year because of reduced demand which equates to that much less emissions. Tens of thousands of factories world wide have shut down for still further emission reduction. Demand for pollution producing machinery has plummeted. Here in Florida we got late frosts last spring well past our average last frost date. It was cooler all summer than we normally see it. We got sure enough cooler weather in late September when we are usually at the height of the hurricane season. We also received our first frost in North Florida on October 30th when our average date for receiving our first frost was yesterday, December 1st. We had three more frosts between 10/30 and 12/1.

So, yes, I can see why trying convince people to take measures that are doing to increase the price of cars they can't get loans now to buy; increase unemployment at a time when it's spiking in a big way; make it harder for us to compete internationally at a time when most of our automotive industry is begging for government money to keep from going into bankruptcy just might be a hard sell.

But feel free to shoot your other foot as well if you like.

.....Alan.

Sysiphus
12-02-2008, 02:11 PM
Lowering the birth rate, using less resources, polluting less. All wonderful things to do, regardless of whether you believe in global warming or not. In a way, I resent the global warming juggernaut because it has politicized issues that should not involve picking sides. Just common sense.

Oric
12-04-2008, 05:57 AM
It is still 70F (21 degrees celcius) here .. We are + 10 degrees celcius above normal

BirdGuano
12-04-2008, 10:56 AM
Lowering the birth rate, using less resources, polluting less. All wonderful things to do, regardless of whether you believe in global warming or not. In a way, I resent the global warming juggernaut because it has politicized issues that should not involve picking sides. Just common sense.

Gee ya think mass immigration from 3rd world to 1st world might have any effect ?

:D