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leistb
01-06-2009, 01:29 PM
Milky Way Galaxy Suddenly Much Bigger, Heavier

Tuesday, January 06, 2009
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An artist's rendering of the latest view of the Milky Way's structure.

WASHINGTON — Take that, Andromeda!

For decades, astronomers thought when it came to the major galaxies in Earth's cosmic neighborhood, our Milky Way was a weak sister to the larger Andromeda. Not anymore.

The Milky Way is considerably larger, bulkier and spinning faster than astronomers once thought, Andromeda's equal.

Scientists mapped the Milky Way in a more detailed, three-dimensional way and found that it's 15 percent larger in breadth. More important, it's denser, with 50 percent more mass, which is like weight.

The new findings were presented Monday at the American Astronomical Society's convention in Long Beach, Calif.

That difference means a lot, said study author Mark Reid of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Mass.

The slight 5-foot-5, 140-pound astrophysicist said it's the cosmic equivalent of him suddenly bulking up to the size of a 6-foot-3, 210-pound NFL linebacker.

"Previously we thought Andromeda was dominant, and that we were the little sister of Andromeda," Reid said. "But now it's more like we're fraternal twins."

That's not necessarily good news. A bigger Milky Way means that it could be crashing violently into the neighboring Andromeda galaxy sooner than predicted — though still billions of years from now.

Reid and his colleagues used a large system of 10 radio (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,476207,00.html#) telescope antennas to measure the brightest newborn stars in the galaxy at different times in Earth's orbit around the sun.

They made a map of those stars, not just in the locations where they were first seen, but in the third dimension of time — something Reid said hasn't been done before.

With that, Reid was able to determine the speed at which the spiral-shaped Milky Way is spinning around its center.

That speed — about 568,000 miles per hour — is faster than the 492,000 mph that scientists had been using for decades. That's about a 15 percent jump in spiral speed.

The old number was based on less accurate measurements and this is based on actual observations, Reid said.

Once the speed of the galaxy's spin was determined, complex formulas that end up cubing the speed determined the mass of all the dark matter in the Milky Way. And the dark matter — the stuff we can't see — is by far the heaviest stuff in the universe.

So that means the Milky Way is about one-and-a-half times the mass had astronomers previously calculated.

The paper makes sense, but isn't the final word on the size of the Milky Way, said Mark Morris, an astrophysicist at the University of California Los Angeles, who wasn't part of the study.

Being bigger means the gravity between the Milky Way and Andromeda is stronger.

So the long-forecast collision between the neighboring galaxies is likely to happen sooner and less likely to be a glancing blow, Reid said.

But don't worry — that's at least 2 to 3 billion years away, he said.

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Kassy
01-06-2009, 03:12 PM
OK so we fixed the size issue but Andromeda still has a much cooler name...who calls their galaxy after a candy bar? We do.

Oh well - some Andromedans probably did a similar thing...

Fartacus
01-06-2009, 03:48 PM
Milky Way Galaxy Suddenly Much Bigger, Heavier

I blame myself for having those extra slices of deep dish pizza.

My bad.

leistb
01-06-2009, 04:02 PM
OK so we fixed the size issue but Andromeda still has a much cooler name...who calls their galaxy after a candy bar?

A classic case of "which came first, the galaxy or the candy bar"? :D

caonacl
01-06-2009, 09:16 PM
is it because we are detcting more mass as we move through the galactic equator?

http://curevents.org/showthread.php?p=67694#post67694

Auburn Boy
01-06-2009, 09:48 PM
is it because we are detcting more mass as we move through the galactic equator?

http://curevents.org/showthread.php?p=67694#post67694

No..,

If you read the article more carefully next time around, you'll see it's because we can finally make the kinds of measurements needed to get an accurate estimate of the speed and mass of the galaxy.

And in fact, new estimates have nothig to do with the galactic equator, your latest pet physical constant..,

Ought Six
01-06-2009, 09:56 PM
I am waiting for an astrophysicist to stand up and state the truth; "we are just guessing". I think that I will be waiting a long, long time.

gsgs
01-07-2009, 12:43 AM
> Milky Way Galaxy Suddenly Much Bigger, Heavier

so, did it acquire some other masses ? suddenly ?

> If you read the article more carefully next time around

yes, but the headline shall help to decide
which articles to open and which not

bad headlines just create distrust
let's change the headlines and addour own



our galaxy is considered much heavier now

Brihard
01-07-2009, 10:04 AM
There's a 'your mom' joke in here somewhere. I just haven't quite got it yet.

shalym
01-07-2009, 11:05 AM
There's a 'your mom' joke in here somewhere. I just haven't quite got it yet.
Ummm...Bri? I would be careful with those "mom" jokes around here if I were you...you do have to go home sometime...

Shari