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Old 09-24-2010, 07:46 PM   #1
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Default Alert issued on danger supplement

MMS turns out to be 28% sodium hypohlorite & when mixed with citrus, converts to industrial stength+ bleach.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11404218

No wonder people report nausea & other problems. It's not a 'detox' - it's self-inflicted poisoning!
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Arrow We have a thread in Alternative Medicine pimping that stuff....

http://thisbluemarble.com/showthread.php?t=12109
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MMS is not sodium hypochlorite (NaClO).

Bleach IS 5% sodium hypochloite.

MMS is a 28% solution of sodium chlorite (NaClO2) "alkaline" and an acid as lemon juice or lime juice or vinegar or 10% solution of citric acid. The mixing of the two result in the activation of chlorine dioxide ClO2...which you drink this within a tall glass of water....a weak oxidizer at 1 PPM. Only a 3 drop 28% sodium chlortite solution activated with citric acid is consumed at a time producing a 1 ppm concentration of chlorine dioxide (ClO2).

Hydrogen peroxide and oxygen are strong oxidizers.
There are people that actually drink hydrogen peroxide.

The concern of the article is IF it is not properly mixed according to the protocols of the fundamentals MMS, then there could be a chance of undesirable effects.

You Definitely would not want to drink a solution of sodium chlorite by itself that has not been activated with citric acid.
Sodium chlorite is very alkaline.




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MMS has been used by tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of people over the last 12 years now.

More on MMS - Chlorine Dioxide:
http://thisbluemarble.com/showthread.php?t=12109

Info from Jim Humble on nausea
http://jimhumble.biz/biz-normal.htm

MMS Nausea Can Be Reduced or Avoided
http://mms-articles.com/mms-nausea-workaround.htm
As is typical of all advertised detoxifying herbs and methods, diarrhea is one of the desired outcomes.


.........I personally will continue to use MMS daily as I have for the last 16 months.



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That thread has been removed due to the warnings regarding MMS.
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My error in calling it sodium hypochlorite - it's indeed sodium chlorite.

The FDA isn't too happy with them either:

http://www.fda.gov/Safety/MedWatch/S.../ucm220756.htm
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Meets all the criteria of quack medicine.
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Default Jim Humble`s response to the FDA

Jim Humble`s response to the FDA...........from his newsletter
http://miraclemineral.org/

Interview on The Vertitas Show Mel Fabraegas with Jim Humble Aug 25 2010
The FDA vs. Jim Humble's MMS
http://www.veritasshow.com/guests/20.../VS-100825.php

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http://www.manticoregroup.com/radio/...25-jhumble.mp3

Jim Humble MMS Newsletter
FDA SCARES AMERICANS,NOT!!
October 2010


A few weeks ago, Daniel Smith of PGL (Project Green Life) a seller
of MMS, was busy at work one morning when 5 men dressed in
expensive suits walked in the door. They were from the FDA. They
were there, they said, to enlist his cooperation in removing this
dangerous chemical, MMS, from the market. They believed that many
people would be going to jail for selling such a chemical. But they
really wanted to give people a chance to cooperate. They mentioned
no consideration, no advantage to those who did cooperate, nothing.
They just wanted to give some people a chance to cooperate, they
said.

Their very attitude struck fear into all those who were there. Daniel’s
partner, went immediately home, returned that evening and resigned,
never to return. Daniel agreed to recall all the thousands of bottles of
MMS that he had ever sold. He would cooperate as there seemed to
be no other choice. Or ---- that’s --- the—way-- it seemed. I wrote a
letter to Daniel telling him not to listen to the FDA, but it seemed that
he was determined to cooperate. In my Newsletter I went on record
as being totally against Daniel caving into the FDA. I felt that users of
MMS had to know that I was totally against caving in, in any way. On
the other hand, Daniel left a little note in his email to me making me
realize that he had something up his sleeve. I wrote him that I had to
go on record as being against what the FDA wanted, but I would help
him in any way I could.

As it turned out, I had the Church, the Genesis 2 Church come up
with $10,000 for Daniels defense. That’s one of the things the
Church does, protect its members. And he used the money to create
a Private Health Care Membership Association. It just happens
that the Supreme Court has ruled favorably for private associations
more than 30 times in the last 50 years. It happens that this country
conducts its business in two areas, one is public, and the other is
private. The FDA, CIA and all the other alphabet soups are not
allowed to interfere in the private area except in cases of a clear and
present danger. The various private government agencies which all
the government agencies are, are formed to protect the public, not the
private.

There is an interesting point of law here I might mention. The
FDA is a private corporation. They have an EIN number (employer
identification number). They pay taxes. A private corporation has
no authority over a private business. So how do they get authority?
They must get a contract with any business in order to get the
authority. The way they do that is they call you up and ask for
permission to visit. Then they will come and visit and discuss many
things, and during that time there will be numerous things you can say
that will be assumed contracts.

The situation was that the FDA made a big error in coming to Daniel’s
business in the first place. They were so anxious to put the fear into
Daniel that they did not follow the rules set by the laws and earlier
court precedents. The law says that the FDA must notify the people
before coming and then when they arrive they must tell the owner in
clear language why they are going to investigate him. They may then
make further appointments. They also didn’t send him a copy of the
complaint. These errors are covered by the following court cases.

Davis v. Scherer, 82 L. Ed. 2d 139 at 155;

Armstrong v. Mauzo, 14 L. Ed. 2d 62;

Grannis v. Ordean 58 L. Ed. 1363;

Mathews v. Eldridge, 47 L. Ed. 2d 18.

And others.

At the advice of people who knew what they were doing he then wrote
a letter informing the FDA that he would beginning to sell MMS to
his private membership at a certain date and they had 10 days to
voice their objections, if they have any. WELL, DANIEL IS NOW BACK
SELLING MMS TO HIS PRIVATE MEMBERS. AND OTHER COMPANIES
ARE STARTING UP WITH THE SAME IDEA IN MIND.
The FDA didn’t
decrease the number of sellers of MMS, they increased it as a result of
scaring people, many people researched the law and found that they
could indeed sell MMS Legally.



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A few weeks ago, Daniel Smith of PGL (Project Green Life) a seller
of MMS, was busy at work one morning when 5 men dressed in
expensive suits walked in the door. They were from the FDA.
I guess if you are used to jeans and T-shirt or maybe short sleeved shirts from K-Mart you might think that.

Knowing a lot of government employees they are more likely to be wearing JC Penny suits that Hart Shaffner and Marx, Hickey Freeman or Armani.

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The FDA, CIA and all the other alphabet soups are not
allowed to interfere in the private area except in cases of a clear and
present danger.
Straight out ot the "25 Rules of Disinformation" although he may not be away. Associate the person with bad things. See, now the FDA is the same as the evil CIA and other alphabet agencies like the NSA, etc.

Quote:
There is an interesting point of law here I might mention. The
FDA is a private corporation. They have an EIN number (employer
identification number). They pay taxes. A private corporation has
no authority over a private business.
The next thing he is going to write about is gold fringe flags, Admiralty Courts and the "Corporate America".

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At the advice of people who knew what they were doing he then wrote
a letter informing the FDA that he would beginning to sell MMS to
his private membership at a certain date and they had 10 days to
voice their objections, if they have any. WELL, DANIEL IS NOW BACK
SELLING MMS TO HIS PRIVATE MEMBERS. AND OTHER COMPANIES
ARE STARTING UP WITH THE SAME IDEA IN MIND. The FDA didn’t
decrease the number of sellers of MMS, they increased it as a result of
scaring people, many people researched the law and found that they
could indeed sell MMS Legally.
The "private club" thing has been to the courts many times. This will be no protection.

As for the letter, that has been tried before. Send a letter to a Federal Agency, say you are going to do this or that unless you hear from them in a short period of time and are notified not to do so, send it registered and mail it Friday late and require everything to come back through the mail. If course the mail is slow, and it takes time for it to be signed for and moved to someone who can deal with it and the time is over.

Hey, they agreed to it! Sorry chump, it doesn't work like that. The courts have said in such cases there has to be a "reasonable time", which 10 days, including the weekends is not.

Of course the chump also hosed himself. By sending the letter, even though he intended it not to make it, he acknowledges that the FDA DOES have jurisdiction over him in this endeavor.

This is why people should hire real attorneys instead of watching Law and Order on TV and thinking they can do it themselves.
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Default England tries to shut down MMS sellers

From Jim Humble`s newsletter
http://jimhumble.biz/site/index.php

On 11/10/2010, the English Government attacked MMS again this time, big time.They arrive at two different people's homes who have sold MMS and stole everything they had. As far as I am concerned the following stories are stories of heros. I'll get permission to give you their names next time. The Trading Standards (of England) came with Dogs, with guns, a film crew, 20 police, and a large van and took everything from his home. The Government Terrorist Squad came to his home, with guns,dogs, 20 police, and a van and he made them a cup of tea, and gave them a mini seminar on MMS.

Well of course, they went ahead and stole by force everything in his home, but at least they had a seminar before they took it all!



And then look at this: The English Government also visited John and took many of his items and several days later they came back again, but this time he showed them his Genesis II Church of Health and Healing Certificate and his Minister of Health Certificate. This time they went away without taking anything and without doing any damage. The last and only thing that Mankind has left to save him is his respect for churches.



And of course, if England had not degenerated into a police state they would have checked to see if these people were actually selling MMS, and if they were selling it, the Tradings Standards would have taken these people to court and presented the evidence of sales of a dangerous substance if such evidence existed.

The statement that they made that the US FDA had reports of people who had severe stomach trouble was a lie by the US FDA as they didn’t even investigate the reports as I check that out. What happened was several people called in and stated something about a stomach ache, but the FDA did not investigate the phone calls. And as the information has progressed from one country to the next each country has embellished on the story until it really scares the average person, but let me tell you this: Every piece of meat and the vegetables that you eat are mostly treated with FDA approved sodium chlorite (that's MMS) and they are not washed after being treated (Because MMS is not really poisonous after all). It's just that if people continue to treat themselves with MMS for various diseases both the government and the pharmaceutical companies stand to loose billions of dollars, so they are going to fool you into thinking that the most beneficial chemical that mankind has ever known and that has ever existed is poisonous......................................... ....



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Every piece of meat and the vegetables that you eat are mostly treated with FDA approved sodium chlorite (that's MMS) and they are not washed after being treated (Because MMS is not really poisonous after all).



"Every piece" + "mostly treated" = WTF,O?
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Default Meat Industry Services Acidified Sodium Chlorite

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Acidified Sodium Chlorite
Updated June 2006
http://www.meatupdate.csiro.au/new/A...20Chlorite.pdf

Acidified Sodium Chlorite

The antimicrobial activity of acidified sodium chlorite is attributed to the oxidative effect of chlorous acid, which is derived from the conversion of chlorite ion into its acid form under acidic conditions. The reactions happen instantly on mixing the sodium chlorite with an acid (eg. citric or phosphoric acid) and therefore the antibacterial solution needs to be prepared shortly before spraying – the effective shelf-life is less than one hour. One company (Grayson Australia) has developed a system which mixes the chemicals immediately before application to maximise the oxidising power of the solution.
Some studies have demonstrated a 1.9 – 2.3 log reduction in Salmonella and E. coli O157 on beef carcass tissue using a wash or spray of sodium chlorite activated with citric acid (Ransom et al 2003). One laboratory trial showed up to 4.6 log reduction in E. coli O157:H7 and Salmonella using a water wash followed by an acidified sodium chlorite spray (Castillo et al., 1999). Other studies indicate limited success (Gill and Badoni 2004).
It appears that the method of activation (i.e. type of acid used), the method of application (eg. Type of sprays), and the contact time with the meat surface are strong influences on the success of this microbial inhibitor. Research using acidified sodium chlorite to sanitize beef trim (using SANOVA® system marketed by Alcide Corporation) achieved reductions of 1.4-2.3 log E. coli depending on the feed rate of the spray. There is evidence to suggest that ASC may be a long-acting microbial inhibitor and may be suitable for pre-packaged meat. Bosilevac et al. (2004) recently published results using a 300 ppm ASC treatment that reduced total microbial counts by 1.0-1.5 log and maintained desirable organoleptic qualities of the ground beef. Sanova is available through EcoLab.
Acidified sodium chlorite is approved for use in the US at concentrations between 500-1200 ppm (21 CFR 173.325; FDA 2003). In Australia, FSANZ has made a final assessment for the approval of an application from Alcide Corporation to use acidified sodium chlorite as a processing aid for use on poultry meats, meat and formed meat products at a concentration of 500-1200 ppm. As a result, the Food Standards Code was amended to accommodate this application – Standard 1.3.3., Clause 14 permits the use of sodium chlorite as an antimicrobial agent for meat, fish, fruit and vegetables as long as a residual level of chlorous compounds is not detected.
A supplier of acidified sodium chlorite (Grayson Australia) will custom-build a cabinet that is designed for spraying carcasses at the end of dressing but prior to entry into the chiller.
Meat Industry Services

Acidified Sodium Chlorite

Proponent/Supplier Information
Grayson Australia
Contact: Adrian McCarthy
Unit 4, 9 Newcastle Road,
Bayswater. Victoria. Australia. 3153
P.O. Box 134, Bayswater. Victoria. Australia. 3153
Phone: 61 3 8727 6900
Fax: 61 3 8727 6999
Website: http://www.tecnica.com.au/Products.html
Brandname: Vibrex
References
Bosilevac, J. M., Shackelford, S. D., Fahle, R., Biela, T., Koohmaraie, M. (2004b) Decreased dosage of acidified sodium chlorite reduces microbial contamination and maintains organoleptic qualities of ground beef products. Journal of Food Protection 67: 2248-2254.
Castillo, A., Lucia, L. M., Kemp, G. K., Acuff, G. R. (1999) Reduction of Escherichia coli O157:H7 and Salmonella Typhimurium on beef carcass surfaces using acidified sodium chlorite. Journal of Food Protection 62: 580-584.
FSANZ (2006) Australia New Zealand Food Standards Code, consolidated version including amendment 85. http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/foodstandardscode/ Accessed 8th March 2006.
Gill, C. O., Badoni, M. (2004) Effects of peroxyacetic acid, acidified sodium chlorite or lactic acid solutions on the microflora of chilled beef carcasses. International Journal of Food Microbiology 91: 43-50.
FDA (2003) Code of Federal Regulations Title 21, Government Printing Office, USA
Ransom, J. R., Belk, K. E., Sofos, J. N., Stopforth, J. D. Scanga, J. A., Smith, G. C. (2003) Comparison of intervention technologies for reducing Escherichia coli O157:H7 on beef cuts and trimmings. Food Protection Trends 23: 24-34.



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SANOVA® is an FDA and USDA cleared antimicrobial food additive for
reducing microbial contamination on red meat carcasses, parts and organs.
SANOVA is a two-part system which uses SANOVA Base blended together
with Sanova Acid to generate acidified sodium chlorite for use in red meat
spray and dip applications.
SANOVA is not for use as a sanitizer on hard non-porous food contact
surfaces or to reduce microbial count in red meat process water.

http://www.ecolab.com/Initiatives/Fo...atCS2006v2.pdf

BENEFITS
SANOVA® is an FDA and USDA cleared antimicrobial food additive for
reducing microbial contamination on red meat carcasses, parts and organs.
SANOVA is a two-part system which uses SANOVA Base blended together
with Sanova Acid to generate acidified sodium chlorite for use in red meat
spray and dip applications.
SANOVA is not for use as a sanitizer on hard non-porous food contact
surfaces or to reduce microbial count in red meat process water.


Enhances Food Safety and Quality
• Effective in reducing pathogenic organisms such as Escherichia coli
O157:H7
- Pre-evisceration carcasses
- Pre-chill carcasses
- Chill carcasses
- Post-chill carcasses
- Primal and sub-primal cuts
- Parts
• Reduces pathogenic bacteria cross contamination on red meat
carcasses, parts and organs
• Reduces contamination of bacteria that may cause product spoilage or
decay on red meat
• Performance Guarantee available for some applications
• No adverse organoleptic effects
• Classified by USDA/FSIS as a processing aid; therefore, no additive labeling is
required for processors.
• Hands off dilution system
• Reduces trim due to contamination
• Accepted intervention strategy in USDA HACCP programs
Worker and Environmental Responsibility
• Customized generation and dispensing system to allow ease of use (control)
• Remote monitoring capabilities to help ensure effective system and
inventory management
• Training, Preventative Maintenance and Repair agreement are included in
intervention program
• No adverse effects on waste
water biological systems........................................... .........

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980114 Alcide Corporation Announces USDA Approval of Sanova
January 9, 1998
http://www.spcnetwork.com/mii/1998/980114.htm

Redmond - Alcide Corporation announced that the United States Department of Agriculture has approved Alcide's request for the use of the Sanova(tm) Food Quality System in poultry processing.

The System combines an effective broad spectrum antimicrobial developed and patented by Alcide with unique application systems developed by Novus International, Inc. The Food and Drug Administration previously approved the active ingredient of the Sanova Food Quality System (acidified sodium chlorite) as a Secondary Direct Food Additive for use in poultry processing in April, 1996.

Joseph A. Sasenick, Alcide's President and Chief Executive Officer, commented that, "By controlling harmful microorganisms, Sanova improves food quality and safety. The Sanova System significantly reduces key pathogens of concern on poultry carcasses without altering the flavor or texture. Years of testing have shown Sanova to be effective not only against Salmonella and E. coli, which are being measured under new USDA regulations, but also against Campylobacter, Listeria and other food borne pathogens."

Sasenick went on to say that, "Unlike radiation and other germicides tested, Sanova kills germs on freshly slaughtered birds while they are still on the automated processing line and before they have a chance to cross contaminate. It interrupts the contamination cycle without interfering with plant operations and at less than $.01 per pound additional cost to the consumer. Alcide and its marketing partner, Novus International, are pleased to make the Sanova Food Quality System available to the poultry industry as a tool to help enhance the safety of our food supply."

In July, 1996 the USDA issued new rules which adopted the "HACCP" (Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point Systems) model for regulating food quality and safety. The so-called "Mega-Regs" take effect on January 26, 1998 and set new standards for control of Salmonella and E. coli in food production and require companies to improve monitoring and documentation of critical control points in their operations. Dr. W.J. Privott, Novus President and CEO said that, "The Sanova system provides the poultry industry the most effective germicide approved by the USDA. Also, our new Provus(tm) technology, which is used in the application of the germicide, will enable the improvements in process control and documentation that food companies need to help them meet the new HACCP requirements."

The Company plans to broaden the use of Sanova through regulatory approval and market introduction of the antimicrobial for controlling food borne pathogens on other food products, including red meats, fruits, vegetables and fish. Alcide Corporation develops and markets unique biocidal products based on its patented technology. Alcide currently sells anti-infective products to the animal health market and disinfecting products to the medical industries.



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Default The data and regulations of the FDA prove that MMS actually works!

The data and regulations of the FDA prove that MMS actually works!
http://genesis2church.com/2010/08/30...ills-diseases/

..........Back in 1982, the National Institutes of Health in Washington, DC conducted an extended double blind clinical trial to determine that very fact, whether there is a liability in taking chlorine dioxide over a period of time. They also tested the chemicals sodium chlorite, and sodium chlorate at the same time. The tests were conducted with humans and not with rats, thus one does not have to try to extrapolate to show that rats can equal humans. The tests conducted showed that no adverse conditions resulted in human bodies.

Here is the link to the report. Read it for yourself and decide. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...00463-0059.pdf
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