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Old 11-18-2008, 09:50 PM   #1
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Default Woman wakes up during surgery

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=667452

A Northern Territory woman has endured a nightmare operation at Alice Springs Hospital after she became conscious during stomach surgery but remained paralysed by the anaesthetic.

Rebecca Jones, 24, told the Northern Territory News she could feel every cut of the surgeon's knife during the operation last month but was unable to scream for help as the anaesthesia had paralysed her.

Ms Jones, who was being operated on for gallstones, said she could not open her eyes but could hear and feel everything.

"I thought the doctors had woken me up because the surgery was over — I quickly realised that was not the case," she was quoted by the Northern Territory News as saying.

Ms Jones realised her predicament when she took a breath and found she couldn’t move, but eventually moved her hand to get the attention of surgery staff — to no avail.

"(Someone) said, 'she's just moved her hand' but they kept going," she said.
The hospital's general manager Vicki Taylor admitted to the NT News that Ms Jones had been awake during the operation but denied medical staff knew of her pain.

Ms Jones is now considering legal action against the hospital.
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Old 11-18-2008, 10:06 PM   #2
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It happens more than people think.

There are neurological tests anesthitists can do to check. During my first colonoscopy I awoke a few times, mostly when they "turned corners". I described some of the things they were saying in the room.

Last month when I had it done again (different physician) I told them I was resistant. They did some extra stuff, checked. It must have worked because I went to sleep and the next thing I was in recovery.
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Old 11-18-2008, 10:19 PM   #3
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337418,00.html

Monitors Don't Stop 30,000 Americans From Waking During Surgery Each Year

Thursday , March 13, 2008



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Patients say it feels like being trapped in a corpse: They wake up during surgery, unable to move or scream. Some remember hearing their surgeons talk, and a few recall feeling intense pain.

Some experts have said special brain-wave monitors were the best way to prevent anesthesia awareness. Now, in a big setback for efforts to prevent it, the first large, independent test of the monitors shows they are no better than older technology.

Researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis compared two groups of about 1,000 patients each, all deemed at high risk of waking up during surgery because of health conditions, medication or other factors.

Click here to watch one woman talk about how she woke up during surgery (video).

One group used the leading brain-monitoring system, which uses electrodes on the forehead to measure brain waves and software to calculate likelihood of consciousness. The other used an older device that analyzes exhaled anesthetic gas.

Anesthesiologists watched for movement and changes in vital signs and followed protocols to maintain patients' depth of sleep, adjusting anesthesia levels as needed. Patients were interviewed after their surgeries about what they remembered.

Two people in each group had experienced awareness — and the two monitored with the newer system reported having felt pain as well.

Lead researcher Dr. Michael Avidan said that in two of those cases — one with each system — the monitors indicated no problems with the anesthesia. In the other two cases, the monitors signaled problems.

The study analyzed groups of people who had surgery at the university's partner hospital, Barnes-Jewish in St. Louis, in 2005 and 2006. It was published in Thursday's issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.

Anesthesia awareness occurs in 1 or 2 of every 1,000 surgical patients — possibly more often in children — and is thought to happen to roughly 30,000 Americans each year.

Some just have fleeting memories of things they heard, but others describe "white-hot pain" and terror, triggering long-term emotional problems.

Carol Weihrer of Reston, Va., said that 11 years after awakening during surgery to remove a diseased eye that caused severe pain, she still has post-traumatic stress disorder, can sleep for just short periods and suffers mood swings and panic attacks.

Weihrer, who founded the group Anesthesia Awareness Campaign Inc., said she heard the doctor give instructions: "Cut deeper, pull harder." "I actually saw them cut the optic nerve when everything went black," she said.

"While you're laying there on the table," she recalled, "you are thinking, praying, cursing, plotting, pleading, trying to crawl off the gurney, trying to kick, scream, move any part of your body to let them know you're awake. In effect, you are entombed in a corpse."

Kathy LaBrie of Nashua, N.H., also suffered awareness during surgery for a deviated septum. She said she heard "the sound of pushing and grinding and the surgeon talking to the nurses about the kind of car he had. ... I tried moving my arms and legs — I couldn't do anything. I thought I was dying."

Dr. Jeffrey Apfelbaum, president of the American Society of Anesthesiologists, who was not involved in the study, said there is "tremendous pressure" from industry and patient advocates to use the brain-wave technology, despite the lack of solid evidence that it works better.

The position of the anesthesiologists group has been that brain-wave monitoring should not be done routinely, but may be helpful for certain patients at high risk of awareness. But widespread use would be very costly.

The dominant maker of brain-wave systems, Aspect Medical Systems, says its monitor, called a bispectral index or BIS, is used in about 17 percent of the roughly 20 million U.S. surgeries each year in which anesthesia gas is used.

The device can cost as little as $5,000. But the researchers estimated that if it were used on all U.S. patients getting general anesthesia, the disposable electrodes alone would cost more than $360 million a year.

The device, on sale since 1998, "can prevent both too little anesthesia, which could cause awareness, and too much anesthesia, which could cause prolonged recovery and anesthetic side effects" such as grogginess and nausea, said Aspect's medical director, Boston anesthesiologist Dr. Scott Kelley.

He said the new results show the system can help anesthesiologists "achieve a very low incidence of awareness in high-risk patients."

But Avidan's fellow researcher, anesthesiology professor Dr. Alex Evers, said he thinks having doctors closely follow a protocol to maintain the patients' depth of sleep was the key to reducing anesthesia awareness in both groups.

The Food and Drug Administration has stated only that the BIS device "may be associated" with reducing awareness during surgery.

About 10 percent of U.S. surgical patients receive intravenous anesthesia, without any gas. The study findings do not apply to them.

Dr. Douglas Jackson, assistant anesthesiology professor at University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey in Newark, said the study shows the BIS system "is not a magic bullet."

"We still don't have a monitor that can tell us about depth of anesthesia (and) awareness," he said, adding that controlling that is still an art.
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Old 11-18-2008, 10:52 PM   #4
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when I had my tonsils out and tubes in my ears I woke up... didnt feel a thing with the ears... but man knew what they were doing when they took the tonsils even groand and they knew it was wearing off but didnt knock me further out ...
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They monitor the heart rate, considering what is happening to people here, it is only responsible to monitor the brain waves as well.
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Old 11-20-2008, 05:30 PM   #6
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You know, my youngest had an appendectomy when she was around 8 years old. She doesn't consciously remember the procedure, but when she slept, starting the night of the surgery, at times, for months, she would seem to 'wake up from sleep' with what I can only describe as a primeval cry of terror that is indescribable. She wasn't really awake. Within a couple of months it stopped, but I have always wondered if she experienced pain and this terror, but did not consciously remember it.

This thread brings back that memory.

So I just asked her. She tells me she remembers she was in a totally pitch black room - conscious - like she was disembodied just sitting in a waiting room. She did not feel any fear. She remembers thinking it was taking forever and wondered when it was going to get done. She was aware that a procedure was being done on her but she doesn't consciously remember any pain or hearing voices other than her own thoughts. She does remember having night terrors for a while afterwards.

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Old 11-20-2008, 06:24 PM   #7
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You know, my youngest had an appendectomy when she was around 8 years old. She doesn't consciously remember the procedure, but when she slept, starting the night of the surgery, at times, for months, she would seem to 'wake up from sleep' with what I can only describe as a primeval cry of terror that is indescribable. She wasn't really awake. Within a couple of months it stopped, but I have always wondered if she experienced pain and this terror, but did not consciously remember it.

This thread brings back that memory.

So I just asked her. She tells me she remembers she was in a totally pitch black room - conscious - like she was disembodied just sitting in a waiting room. She did not feel any fear. She remembers thinking it was taking forever and wondered when it was going to get done. She was aware that a procedure was being done on her but she doesn't consciously remember any pain or hearing voices other than her own thoughts. She does remember having night terrors for a while afterwards.

And I forgot - when she would "wake up" in terror, she was crying something about the machines. I believe that subconsciously she was aware of what was going on - and perhaps felt pain.

And misty, I have had a couple patients also tell me they felt everything when having a C-Section. Doctors refused to believe them. It really ticked me off.

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Old 11-20-2008, 06:16 PM   #8
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I once had a patient who told me the horrors of having heart surgery and feeling all the pain but being unable to move or communicate his distress to anyone. He was terrified of ever having any kind of surgery again, and rightfully so. That's something that you'd never ever be able to forget or to have trust in anesthesiology.
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