Go Back   This Blue Marble, a Global Current Events Discussion Forum > Main Floor > Politics

Politics Step up and make your case on all manner of political topics.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 12-28-2010, 10:19 PM   #1
Ought Six
Dismember
 
Ought Six's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 35,164
Blog Entries: 15
Thanks: 177
Thanked 390 Times in 326 Posts
Arrow Wikileaked poll resultss: 1 in 3 Muslim students in UK support 'killing in the name of Islam'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz19QjxJ2pI

This was also reported at the time in The London Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-students.html
__________________
* I have the right to live, thus I have the right to defend my life from attackers who would take it from me.
* I have the right to my private property, thus I have the right to defend my property from thieves who would take it from me.
* I have the right to self-determination, thus I have the right to defend my liberty from tyrants who would take it from me.
* The only usable tools for these tasks are guns, and thus I have the right to shoot anyone who would take my guns from me.
Ought Six is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2010, 11:27 PM   #2
Auburn Boy
Denizen of the Gold Fields
 
Auburn Boy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 6,931
Thanks: 584
Thanked 245 Times in 196 Posts
That figures..,

The prevalence of that attitude will be hard to deal with.
__________________
(\__/)
(='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your
(")_(") signature to help her gain world domination
Can't leave the Siwwy Wabbit behind!!
Auburn Boy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2010, 11:31 PM   #3
dyrt
. . .
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 4,819
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 30
Thanked 363 Times in 256 Posts
From the DailyMail:

Quote:
Muslims were also found to have the highest disability rates - with 24 per cent of men and 21 per cent of women claiming a disability - while the cable also cited statistics claiming Muslims were also the most likely group to be unavailable for work or not actively seeking employment due to illness, their studies or family commitments.
Looks like a lot know how to work the system.
dyrt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2010, 11:52 AM   #4
Brihard
Non-Electric Pop Up Target
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 3,612
Thanks: 23
Thanked 176 Times in 113 Posts
The Guardian's take is quite interesting. It places the number into context and explains what actual questions were asked. The "1 in 3 support killing in the name of Islam" figure is quoted without actually presenting what question was asked.

Anyway, worth a read through the Guardian's take on this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/th.../2010/dec/22/1
__________________
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools.

-Thucydides
Brihard is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2010, 03:43 PM   #5
Ought Six
Dismember
 
Ought Six's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 35,164
Blog Entries: 15
Thanks: 177
Thanked 390 Times in 326 Posts
Arrow

Bri:

A link to the original poll is in the article you linked to.

http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/files/1231525079_1.pdf (PDF format)

The original question was: "Is it ever justifable to kill in the name of religion?"

Results are below, with percentages and actual numbers:
---

'Yes, in order to preserve and promote that religion.'

Muslim students -- 4%; non-Muslim students -- 1%
---

'Yes, but only if the religion is under attack.'

Muslim students -- 28%; non-Muslim students -- 1%
---

'No, it is never justifiable.'

Muslim students -- 53%; non-Muslim students -- 94%
---

Not sure.

Muslim students -- 15%; non-Muslim students -- 4%
---


For those unfamiliar with polling methodology, the '1%' figure can be quite misleading. When a poll is using integer percentages, if even one person picks an option, that response percentage is bumped up to one percent, even if there are millions of people being polled. In this case, the poll queried over 600 Muslim and over 800 non-Muslim students.

That being said, I think the editorial you posted has, in its own words, very "dodgy" 'logic'. For instance, the author makes the point that Muslim students said that the question asked if killing was justified in the name of religion, instead of in the name of Islam specifically. That is, IMO, a total BS non-distinction that intended to falsely create doubt about the answers given. The author is using the very disinformation techniques he claims the Daily Mail used. Then he goes on to say "only in self-defense", which is *not* what the poll question says at all. It says "when the religion is under attack". What Islamist or Jihadi does not think that Isalm is 'under attack'? Another BS non-distinction meant to confuse and mislead.

But he really goes into total dishonesty with this:
Quote:
In fact Kenneth Ballen at the Christian Science Monitor tackled this point quite neatly in 2007, in his article on "the myth of Muslim support for terror," pointing to opinion polls that showed, for example, that:
"...only 46 percent of Americans think that 'bombing and other attacks intentionally aimed at civilians' are "never justified," while 24 percent believe these attacks are 'often or sometimes justified.'"
You could report that as "54% of Americans think it's fine to kill civilians in the name of capitalism!" but then you would be as stupid as the ubiquitous anonymousity who lurks under the name "Daily Mail Reporter."
Seriously? Asking if bombing civilians is okay can just be *assumed* to be "in the name of capitalism" when that subject is not even present in the question? And that is the 'the same' as specifically asking if killing in relation to religion is okay?

He then goes on to say the poll result are "fairly meaningless of course unless you're going to compare them to the general population as a control". But of course the poll is only about student attitudes, and non-Muslim students *are* the control, making this another ridiculous false argument posed to try and discount the results. The rest of the editorial is the same sort of drivel. My only question is, is Mr. Robbins an idiot, or merely a liar?
__________________
* I have the right to live, thus I have the right to defend my life from attackers who would take it from me.
* I have the right to my private property, thus I have the right to defend my property from thieves who would take it from me.
* I have the right to self-determination, thus I have the right to defend my liberty from tyrants who would take it from me.
* The only usable tools for these tasks are guns, and thus I have the right to shoot anyone who would take my guns from me.

Last edited by Ought Six; 12-29-2010 at 03:51 PM.
Ought Six is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
islam, killing, muslim, poll, resultss, students, support, wikileaked

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:23 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright © Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.