‘Is there ANY Obama Associate who the American People can be PROUD of?’

[Ramius31]

‘Is there ANY Obama Associate who the American People can be PROUD of?’
by Doug Edelman (10/9/08)

The Obama defenders are whining that William Ayers radical bombings in the 60’s are dismissible “old news”? They declare Obama’s associations to be “irrelevant”! (Somehow I’m prompted to wonder what they’d say if McCain was a friend of a former 1940’s Nazi Prison Camp Guard!)

Obama’s associations ARE relevant. They speak to his judgment and to his character.

And they form a PATTERN!

Rev Wright, Fr Pflaeger, Minister Farrakhan: These are radical, anti-American, anti-semetic and hardly traditional Church leaders! And Obama called them mentors and spiritual advisors. What did he learn from them? Does he share their views? Much of what he has said and done DOES seem consistent!

Tony Rezko: Convicted of fraud and shady dealings, he and Obama were very close. Helped get Obama a sweetheart mortgage. Bundled tons of money for his campaign. Bought property (under another sweetheart deal) to be Obama’s neighbor!

Bill Ayers: Ayers is still an unrepentant terrorist. He was quoted (ON 9/11/2001 in the New York Times, no less!) as being proud and unapologetic for the bombings of the Pentagon, Capitol and NY Police. In fact, his only regret was that they hadn’t done more! Saved from jail by legal technicalities, he is married to Bernadette Dohrn, another Weathermen terrorist, once on the FBI 10 most wanted list, who DID serve time for refusing to testify about the death of other Weathermen when a bomb they were building blew up prematurely!

Dohrn was a fan of Charles Manson!! From http://www.classicalvalues.com/archi.../post_681.html

At a 1969 “War Council” in Flint, Michigan, Dohrn gave her most memorable and notorious speech to her followers. Holding her fingers in what became the Weatherman “fork salute,” she said of the bloody murders recently committed by the Manson Family in which the pregnant actress Sharon Tate and a Folgers Coffee heiress and several other inhabitants of a Benedict Canyon mansion were brutally stabbed to death: “Dig it! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them. They even shoved a fork into the victim’s stomach! Wild!” The “War Council” ended with a formal declaration of war against “AmeriKKKa,” always spelled with three K’s to signify the United States’ allegedly ineradicable white racism.

Ayers and Obama served on board of Annenberg together overseeing expenditure of tens of millions of dollars. And currently all the related records remain “unavailable”.

Interestingly, Annenberg runs the “Factcheck.org” site that Obama uses as his only source of “facts” on his “fight the smears” website. Why factcheck.org is given any credibility as a fact source is beyond me!

ACORN: An organization so fraught with voter fraud they should be closed down and indicted under RICO! Where you’re never too dead to vote twice! Ever wonder what a “community organizer” is? Think ACORN! Who was Obama a “constitutional lawyer” for? ACORN! Currently numerous ACORN offices are being raided and investigated for ongoing voter fraud.

Fannie/Freddie: Obama was the #2 money recipient behind Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd! And those are numbers compiled over 9 years… but Obama was only a Senator for 4 of those years and raked in almost as much dough as Dodd did in 9 years!

Franklin Raines/Jim Johnson: Former heads of Fannie Mae. Both removed for impropriety. Both made tens of millions of dollars from their time at the helm, piloting the economy onto the rocks. Are there 2 people more responsible for the current economic mess? Besides Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, they had more to do with creating the problem than anyone else… and they’re in Obama’s inner circle giving ECONOMIC advice? Jim Johnson was picked to vet Obama’s VP Pick?

Michelle Obama: Holds radical separatist views quite consistent with 20 year attendance and tutelage under Rev Wright! Her college thesis was on assimilation vs “the black culture” (apparently as defined by Rev Wright!) and she was openly appalled that so many blacks were choosing to assimilate into the AMERICAN melting-pot culture! She twice stated that she wasn’t proud of her country until Obama began gaining prominence in a Presidential race!

So I ask again, Are there ANY Obama associates America can be PROUD of?

Copyright © 2008 by Doug Edelman

http://newsbyus.com/index.php/article/1737

[Therese]

No, I don't think there are.

I think that a LOT of people are going to find that the promises being made, when it comes time to implement them, are going to l look very, very different than they do as promises now, and many are going to regret their choice if he should win.

[Ramius31]

Originally Posted by Therese

No, I don't think there are.

I think that a LOT of people are going to find that the promises being made, when it comes time to implement them, are going to l look very, very different than they do as promises now, and many are going to regret their choice if he should win.

I found it interesting that Factcheck.org is run by an old Obama crony... so much for that as well eh?

[Flint]

I found it interesting that Factcheck.org is run by an old Obama crony

And we understand now why there are no "associates" Obama can be proud of - because they are "cronies" and you know THEY aren't respectable!

Of course, there IS the US Senate...ah, never mind!

[frodo]

McCain has Keating and a whole lot more around his neck.

[Flint]

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Chuckle.

[lilly]

Who he associates with?

Perhaps the 300 advisors who keep briefing him by e-mail every day are respectable.

His associates in Congress? Yes, they're pretty shady folks.

[flourbug]

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=191463

[Ramius31]

Originally Posted by flourbug

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=191463

This link brings to home the terror the Weathermen promulgated. I've never heard this before. Thanks for the link.

[Dreamweaver]

So I ask again, Are there ANY Obama associates America can be PROUD of?

An easier question to ask: Is there any association that does not have Marxist/Communist roots that Obama is Not connected to in Chicago?

[Flint]

One thing about being a Presidetial nominee, it makes a lot of very tangential people very famous. Remember "Billy Beer"? Now we learn more than we ever wanted to know about Ayers, Wright, Wooten, Keating and other nonentitites except insofar as how each can be used to spread guilt by association. Even if we have to pretty much cobble together the association out of 1 part hearsay, 2 parts conspiracy theory, and 3 parts imagination.

[Flint]

Are there ANY Obama associates America can be PROUD of?

The problem with this question, as many here make very clear, is that all of Obama's associates, real or alleged, are pre-tarred by virtue of being associated with Obama! That association all by itself renders anyone he's ever met a crony, a terrorist, a racist, treasonous, etc. etc. blah blah blah

[Ramius31]

Originally Posted by Flint

The problem with this question, as many here make very clear, is that all of Obama's associates, real or alleged, are pre-tarred by virtue of being associated with Obama!

Bill Ayers is hardly tarred by his association with Obama. The fact is vice-versa.

[Fiddlerdave]

Olbermann comments on Palin's astute remarks. Who can trust a candidate who helps someone who says:

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government, and I won't be buried under their damn flag.”


http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle20962.htm

[Ramius31]

Originally Posted by Fiddlerdave

Olbermann comments on Palin's astute remarks. Who can trust a candidate who helps someone who says:

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government, and I won't be buried under their damn flag.”


http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle20962.htm

This thread is about Obama, not Palin. Please try to stay on topic. You could try and post an Obama relationship we could all be proud of. I can't find one.

[Michael]

Barrack had NO personal relationship with Ayers. They were on the board of directors of a program together. Barrack was 8 years old when he was involved in the weather underground. Ayers was never charged with a crime, and ended up as a professor at a Chicago area college.

So lets use the same smear tactic. Stormfront white nationalists and the KKK have endorsed John McCain. By this reasoning, that makes McCain a racist.

[Ramius31]

Originally Posted by Michael

Barrack had NO personal relationship with Ayers. They were on the board of directors of a program together. Barrack was 8 years old when he was involved in the weather underground. Ayers was never charged with a crime, and ended up as a professor at a Chicago area college.

So lets use the same smear tactic. Stormfront white nationalists and the KKK have endorsed John McCain. By this reasoning, that makes McCain a racist.

Yawn. Ayers launched Obama's political career. Try again.

By the way, name a relationship of his the American people can be proud of. I have yet to see one submitted.

[flourbug]

Michael, the relationship between Ayers and Obama is much more than ships innocuously passing each other in the night. If you read what was written about him BY DEMOCRATS, during the primary, you get a much better picture of the connection:

In January 2005, in a progressive liberal blog called "Musings & Migraines," a Chicago-based blogger named Maria Warren - whose writing suggested she was to the left of Obama - recalled watching the candidate give a "standard, innocuous little talk" in 1995, in the living room of Ayers and his wife, former Weather Underground member Bernardine Dohrn, when Obama was running for the state Senate.

"They were launching him," she wrote, "introducing him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread."

When the Annenberg educational initiative was started by Bill Ayers, Ayers picked Barack Obama to chair the organization. It was well known in that Chicago college group the two were best friends and had collaborated on many projects together.

Hillary Clinton brought up the connection during her campaign, saying Ayers was not repentant about his terrorist activities, as Ayer's comments about not regretting his 1970's bombings happened to appear in The New York Times on Sept. 11, 2001. In fact Ayers considered his educational endeavors, including the Annenberg Initiative, as a CONTINUATION of his radical philosophies. Obama played a significant role in getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in funding to pursue Ayer's goals.

This is not what CONSERVATIVES have said about Obama, Michael. This is was all brought out by Clinton before the primary.

I'm not suggesting Ayers and Obama have a terrorist plot hatching to take over the US. Politicians shake a lot of hands. Sometimes - like Farakhan's support of Obama, the KKK's support of McCain, and Stormfront's endorsement of Ron Paul - unsavory connections latch on to the candidate whether he likes it or not. There are a lot of people who suck-up to an up and coming politician, hoping to ride their coattails. I'm willing to forgive a young candidate on the wrong side of the learning curve a few mistakes.

The problem is, and THIS is what has turned me off Obama, his connection to Ayers is not a singular small mistake. Obama has a PATTERN of disturbing and radical associations. You know the old saying, 'Watch what he DOES, not what he SAYS". I've been reading about Obama's life, and he has not just associated himself with radicals, he has embraced deconstructionists - people who want to completely tear down everything we have and create something new.

Of course, in their mind it is a Utopia. But history shows us such people create Soviet Russia, Cuba, and China.

When Obama takes office, all of his hate-America friends will be his advisers, fill our courts, and take over our government departments. In the middle of our horrendous economy, they have been talking about putting billions into curing Malaria in Africa, and all the other socialist/humanitarian programs they will start around the globe.

That won't work out well for us here in America.

[Fiddlerdave]

Originally Posted by Ramius31

This thread is about Obama, not Palin. Please try to stay on topic. You could try and post an Obama relationship we could all be proud of. I can't find one.

I have the same problem with the people you sing the praises of. Deal with it. Which is my point.

However, we certainly MUST find problems with the "Christian" values of someone who skipped jumping into lucrative corporate jobs and amassing wealth instead to work with the bottom end of society and hands-on trying to help people on the bottom end get education, jobs, and own homes. Oh, the tremendous defect of character this reveals in the man!

In fact there are certainly a very large number of hard working people who DO own homes, have a piece of the Dream, and good jobs who he associated with, and who we ALL should be proud of, but some in our society find pride in the likes of Wachovia management instead. Oh well, we are now ALL paying the price for that.

Originally Posted by flourbug

The problem is, and THIS is what has turned me off Obama, his connection to Ayers is not a singular small mistake. Obama has a PATTERN of disturbing and radical associations. You know the old saying, 'Watch what he DOES, not what he SAYS". I've been reading about Obama's life, and he has not just associated himself with radicals, he has embraced deconstructionists - people who want to completely tear down everything we have and create something new.

This comment at this time struck me. Are their any "deconstructionists" Obama "palled around with" that will match the "deconstruction" going on as we speak? And the people heavily responsible are those which the Right has idolized and recommended for respect and emulation. Not a lot of big industrialists in Obama's backround, but a hell of a lot of working people, but their names don't matter to the Republican. Those people don't matter to the Republicans, really.

This whole issue of Obama being in Ayer's living room as some kind of "a close association" exposes part of the cultural divide! People who have their million-dollar meetings at taxpayer or stockholder expense in luxurius and exotic loications don't even get the idea of the kind of groups where even strangers get together to try to accomplish a groups goals. Ayers attraction and involvement in the policy of the group may have been as much about a big living room he was willing to share as about any kind of fantasied "violent overthrow".

"Launching Obama's career" with a meeting in his living room!! I guess my mom "launched" congresswoman's careeer Pat Schroeder because our yard had room for one of the meet and greet barbeques the Dem party had for her. Yeah, we could call her for defense contracts, special appointments anything we wanted!

[BoneDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramius31

This thread is about Obama, not Palin. Please try to stay on topic. You could try and post an Obama relationship we could all be proud of. I can't find one.

Wow.....this sounds very familiar.

[flourbug]

Are their any "deconstructionists" Obama "palled around with" that will match the "deconstruction" going on as we speak? And the people heavily responsible are those which the Right has idolized and recommended for respect and emulation. Not a lot of big industrialists in Obama's backround, but a hell of a lot of working people, but their names don't matter to the Republican. Those people don't matter to the Republicans, really.

You need to look into Biden's connection with the credit card industry, and his support of the anti-consumer bankruptcy bill, before you blame the current economic situation on Republicans. There's been a menage a trois going on between both parties and the banking industry since before WWI.

[caonacl]

Wednesday Oct. 8, 2008 06:54 EDT
Sean Hannity, Robert Gibbs and anti-Semitism: How to go on Fox News

For the third debate in a row, actual polling data last night (as well as uncommitted focus groups) revealed that most Americans believe that the Democratic candidate (Obama/Biden) won decisively. In stark contrast, this is what the poll of Fox News viewers found:

In the real world among Americans, Obama won the debate by 15-30 points, but in Fox News World, McCain won the debate by 86-12%. That’s what Fox News is and who their viewers are: a right-wing propaganda outlet with an almost entirely unpersuadable viewership. For that reason, I don’t understand why the Obama campaign helps legitimize them as a real news network by appearing on Fox programs. But the Obama campaign obviously disagrees and regularly does so.

Agree or disagree with that tactical choice, any Democrat preparing to go on Fox News should study how Obama communications director Robert Gibbs mauled Sean Hannity last night and copy and learn from it as though it is Scripture (video below). First, a bit of background: in the 1980s and 1990s, Anthony Martin-Trigona was well-known to New York litigators as a source of warped entertainment, wonderment and universal disgust.

For years, Martin-Trigona ran around continuously suing so many random people on a pro se basis — and when he would lose, he would then sue the lawyers who represented the parties he sued and the judges who ruled against him — that the Second Circuit Court of Appeals actually barred him from commencing any further judicial process without prior authorization, an unprecedented and truly extraordinary order. Some of that history is set forth here. Martin-Trigona would file so many new, rambling lawsuits and motions on a virtually daily basis that, as the Second Circuit pointed out, it actually became impossible for courts even to process: “Martin-Trigona’s voluminous filings have ‘inundated’ the District of Connecticut and his activities have burdened judicial operations to the point of impairing the administration of justice.”


It wasn’t just the quantity but the content that made his litigious behavior so notable. The documents he filed were routinely filled with the most extreme anti-Semitic venom one could find anywhere this side of Mein Kampf. The lawsuits were often based on the theory that a cabal of Jewish judges, lawyers and government officials were conspiring against him, and the Complaints he filed would be filled with artfully-constructed allegations along these lines:

Paragraph 8: On July 12, 1988, the plaintiff-Jew met with aforementioned Jew lawyer to prepare for hearing with the Jew judge.

That’s a paraphrase from memory, but it’s a quite accurate illustration of what his documents routinely contained. In 1986, he ran for Congress in Illinois under this campaign committee: “The Anthony R. Martin-Trigona Congressional Campaign to Exterminate Jew Power in America,” and he wrote sympathetically of the Holocaust. As The Washington Times described this year:

In a New York bankruptcy case, he referred to a judge as a “crooked, slimy Jew.” During the bankruptcy dispute, he filed a civil-rights lawsuit claiming Jewish bankruptcy judges and lawyers were conspiring to steal his property. He asked a court to bar “any Jew from having anything to do with plaintiff’s property.”


In another motion in the case, he wrote: “I am able to understand how the Holocaust took place, and with every passing day feel less and less sorry that it did, when Jew survivors are operating as a wolf pack to steal my property.”

After the mid-1990s, Martin-Trigona re-surfaced in Florida with a name change (“Andy Martin”), ran for public office multiple times as a Republican (even the local GOP repudiated him), then became a vocal supporter of Rudy Giuliani’s presidential campaign, and finally an obsessive “investigator” of Barack Obama, trafficking in the filthiest and most deranged muck that for months stimulated the darkest crevices of the right-wing slime machine. As The New York Times put it, Martin “is credited as being among the first — if not the first — to assert in a chain e-mail message that Mr. Obama was secretly a Muslim.”


Over the weekend, Sean Hannity hosted a show on Fox News entitled Obama & Friends: The History of Radicalism. The star of Hannity’s smear fest was none other than Andy Martin, who was featured as an honored, credible investigator and source to expose “the real Barack Obama.” There wasn’t a hostile or adversarial word uttered by Hannity about or towards Martin. To the contrary, Martin’s claims were the basis for many of the Fox News show’s allegations against Obama. This is how Fox described him on-screen when he spoke: “Andy Martin, AUTHOR & JOURNALIST”:

Hannity turned to Martin after asking what Obama means by “community organizer,” and Martin explained that Obama “was in training for a radical overthrow of the government” — and Fox then promoted Martin’s book:

Martin then linked Obama to Louis Farrakhan, Hugo Chavez, and Fidel Catsro, telling Fox’s 2 million viewers: “So if you love the Cuban revolution and Castro and if you love what’s happening in Venezuela with Hugo Chavez, you’ll love Barry Obama — Barack Obama, as he calls himself — in the White House.”
Hannity never once said a negative word about Martin; never challenged him on anything he ever said or did; and never informed Fox viewers about Martin’s despicable, truly demented history. Instead, Martin was Sean Hannity’s respected source, presented as an “Author and Journalist” to support Hannity’s “reporting.” As Fort Lauderdale’s Sun-Sentinel put it: Fox’s “star witness was Andy Martin, whose incendiary, unsubstantiated claims about Obama’s past were allowed to go unchallenged.”

All of that led to last night’s masterful appearance by Robert Gibbs on Hannity & Colmes after the debate. Gibbs obviously knew that Hannity was interested in asking him only about the most vital issue of the day in the world of right-wing extremism — the exciting attempt to link Obama to Bill Ayers through rank guilt-by-association — and this is the superb exchange that ensued:

If Democrats are going to subject themselves to the low-life tactics of Fox News, that’s the only way to do so — by taking their deceitful standards and, in every instance, applying it to Fox and their “journalists.” Fox News just produced a “documentary” about Obama in reliance on someone like Andy Martin, whose history was concealed from the poor, endlessly propagandized Fox viewers, and yet the myth that Fox is a legitimate news network will continue to be widely maintained.

* * * * *
One other note: the Anti-Defamation League, needless to say, has not uttered a peep about Fox News and Hannity’s promotion and legitimizing of Andy “crooked, slimy Jew” Martin, because doing so would undermine the ADL’s now patently transparent GOP-supporting agenda. As I’ve documented on several occasions in the past, the ADL routinely ignores instances of blatant Holocaust-trivializing and other acts of game-playing and exploitation of anti-Semitism when coming from Fox News, which generally supports the ADL’s political agenda having nothing to do with its claimed mission.

And that’s to say nothing of the entire cottage industry of pundits and activists that routinely finds and screams about “anti-semitism” at the slightest imaginary provocation when doing so advances their right-wing political agenda or can be used to smear political opponents or suppress debate — from Joe Lieberman, Lanny Davis, Charles Krauthammer, and Bill Kristol to the righteous anti-bigotry advocates at Commentary Magazine — none of whom have uttered a peep about Fox News’ promotion of and reliance upon Andy Martin, despite (for most of them) having gone on Fox News since then — despite having, to use their parlance, associated with Fox News since the Hannity/Martin show — without uttering a syllable of condemnation. As usual, those who most flamboyantly and frequently inject screams of “anti-semitism” into our political debates do so only when the accusation serves as a tool for their partisan agenda (see here and here for a particularly disgusting though typical recent example). Nothing has “trivialized” the accusation of “anti-semitism” — or anti-semitism itself — more than that manipulative behavior.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwa...0/08/fox_news/