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Old 02-24-2017, 03:58 AM   #1
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Default Is socialism gaining control?

I received an email titled:

AMERICA DODGED A FATAL BULLET BECAUSE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP


Turned out to be about Saul Alinsky. The name was only vaguely familiar.

After reading the mail I followed up the link:

http://newswithviews.com/Marquis/doc113.htm

I am inclined to agree with the claims being made as I can see the claims
described taking place here in the UK.

People have lost regard for the country they grew up in and only consider their
personal views which leaves them wide open to socialistic manipulation.

Given all the current global problems I can only console myself with the knowledge that I won't live to see the final results.
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Old 02-26-2017, 04:42 AM   #2
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The more I read in the daily papers the more I believe people no longer have any idea of the meaning of 'democracy'. The insidious blight of 'political correctness' and 'human rights' is taking over.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...root-Left.html

Back in the 18th century, political reformer Henry Fox was advocating giving the vote to more people. But only, he insisted, to what he called ‘the better sort’. Not ‘the mob or the mere dregs of the people’. Heaven forbid!
Now, in the 21st century, such derogatory sentiments about ‘the people’ are dangerously back in fashion — ever since they dared vote for Brexit in Britain, and for Donald Trump in the United States.
Questions are being asked in high places about whether ordinary voters are fit to make decisions on major issues.
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Okay, I have been shown up again.

Once more someone has written about what I am thinking and expressed it far better than I can.

https://www.schillerinstitute.org/fi...frankfurt.html

The people of North America and Western Europe now accept a level of ugliness in their daily lives which is almost without precedent in the history of Western civilization. Most of us have become so inured, that the death of millions from starvation and disease draws from us no more than a sigh, or a murmur of protest. Our own city streets, home to legions of the homeless, are ruled by Dope, Inc., the largest industry in the world, and on those streets Americans now murder each other at a rate not seen since the Dark Ages.

At the same time, a thousand smaller horrors are so commonplace as to go unnoticed. Our children spend as much time sitting in front of television sets as they do in school, watching with glee, scenes of torture and death which might have shocked an audience in the Roman Coliseum. Music is everywhere, almost unavoidable—but it does not uplift, nor even tranquilize—it claws at the ears, sometimes spitting out an obscenity. Our plastic arts are ugly, our architecture is ugly, our clothes are ugly. There have certainly been periods in history where mankind has lived through similar kinds of brutishness, but our time is crucially different. Our post-World War II era is the first in history in which these horrors are completely avoidable. Our time is the first to have the technology and resources to feed, house, educate, and humanely employ every person on earth, no matter what the growth of population. Yet, when shown the ideas and proven technologies that can solve the most horrendous problems, most people retreat into implacable passivity. We have become not only ugly, but impotent.


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Old 03-04-2017, 05:20 PM   #4
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Very flowery writer, and entertaining in parts. But really a screed overall. I think the real trace of history is much less deliberate and a much more chaotic process than he is letting on.

The thing he is kinda missing is is the impact of technology (cheaper, faster, more efficient). A technological society brings us many great things, but it also has unfortunate side effects and will inevitably cause huge changes in culture. Some less dramatic possible causes behind his supposed Marxist-led decay in society:

Loss of Judeo-Christian values: Pretty hard to believe in an invisible, unknowable God in the sky when we have things like quantum physics and the theory of everything. Much easier to be a skeptic nowadays than when you couldn't explain basic things like thunder.

Political correctness: See the prior item. When you lose one religion (in the sense of a "world view"), you are going to take on another, and PC'ness fills this void for many. This probably also explains why society is becoming more polarized as well. Religion allowed folks to be part of a "tribe" before, so now they are finding new ways to be part of a tribe.

"Ugly" art: Well, I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I love classical music, but also like jazz, rock, pop, etc. I can only imagine the ancient Greeks and Romans would have regarded 1800s music as a bunch of overbusy tripe. Have you ever really looked at rococo architecture? There is ugly art in every era when you get down to it. I find some baroque music enjoyable, but let's be honest, some of it is almost unlistenable (Bach's Goldberg Variations spring to mind).

Overall, his piece comes off as a rant by an old man who liked things the "way they were" and doesn't like change. But change is always happening, and you can't go back to what came before, that's just how life is.

"Marxism", collectivism, socialism, whatever you want to call it, will always be around. More so now with so many folks losing jobs as they become obsolete due to technological change. This is really going to be the challenge of the next 100 years: figuring out how to keep people gainfully employed (or even just "occupied") and keep them from getting at each others' throats. We will be seeing more unemployed/underemployed folks with too much time on their hands with each passing year, and we are going to have to figure out how to do something about this. At the moment, no political or belief system really has a solution for this problem.

My own theory is that there is nothing more dangerous than bored people. And with technology taking so many tasks off our daily chore list, and making so many workers idle, we are becoming more bored by the day. Idle hands and minds get into all sorts of trouble to keep themselves occupied, and I foresee quite a bit of mischief coming in the next few decades.
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My own theory is that there is nothing more dangerous than bored people. And with technology taking so many tasks off our daily chore list, and making so many workers idle, we are becoming more bored by the day. Idle hands and minds get into all sorts of trouble to keep themselves occupied, and I foresee quite a bit of mischief coming in the next few decades.
^^^ I agree. This is exactly why inner cities are a mess.
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^^^ I agree. This is exactly why inner cities are a mess.
Don't get me started. I cannot think of a better way to create a permanent underclass than "The Great Society". It took the likes of LBJ to design the most cynical vote buying program ever devised. And the sad thing is the "beneficiaries" don't even know they're being used.
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Old 03-05-2017, 03:53 AM   #7
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@Sysiphus

I agree. Creation of a permanent underclass is well under way here in the UK. Article in a daily paper mentioned a mother of 12 children received some £33,000 per annum in state benefits which is more than my salary when I retired.

Yes, technology makes people lazy. Happened to visit an Iceland store recently and was amazed at the variety of ready made meals, just remove the plastic wrapper and pop it in the microwave.

All this makes me wonder at the 'green' agenda. There is no lack of evidence for the very low power generation capabilities of windmills and solar panels. When there is an extended power failure these people won't have a clue what to do.

Among other things, the powers that be, here in the UK, now insist sex education be taught in all schools. Parents no longer have any responsibility for their children, they are not even allowed to punish them.
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Just remembered this one over at Jo Nova's blog.

http://joannenova.com.au/2017/02/pre...acy-in-europe/

James Burnham, 1941 foresaw so much in “The Managerial Revolution. It’s a book that George Orwell used for inspiration.

According to Burnham, the civil democracies of the second half of the 20th century would – more or less gradually – be overgrown with backroom bureaucratic networks that make the actual decisions, all far away from the electorate and public debate.

He predicted that separate nation states would still exist, but as their sovereignty was gradually absorbed into a superstate, the nation states would become just administrative subdivisions.
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In my wanderings around the net I have just come across this site:

Schiller Institute

Looks like lots of reports to read. Hope I'm not wasting my time.
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Tcha! and Ptooee! Been chasing my own tail! Wrote about the Schiller site in post #3 above.

Ah, well, find the site a bit 'hippy'.
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