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Old 01-05-2016, 01:39 PM   #1
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Default Gun sales at an all time record:

More than 23 MILLION background checks were processed by the FBI last year
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185,345 people had background checks to buy a gun on Black Friday
More than 225 million checks have been made since November 1998
President Obama wants to close loopholes where buyers can avoid checks
Since November 1998 only 1.27 million people failed the background check
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-FBI-year.html

Nothing can sell guns like a Democrat in the White House.
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Old 01-05-2016, 04:56 PM   #2
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He just spent a metric shit-ton of Tax Refunds on the very guns he despises so much. Prepare for the panic buying.
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I missed the press conference - working. When do the new 'regulations' take effect?

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Rather than wigging out about this I have really researched what he proposing.

Surprisingly, other than a lot of wiggle in what constitutes a business of selling firearms I don't think many people would have a problem with a lot of it. (OK, the Smart Gun initiative is silly. Good enough for the people but will his Secret Service detail be required to carry them? Unlikely. OK 2, there is also the slippery slope issue to think about.)

What gets me is that many of these things could have been done by themselves over his entire Administration and he hasn't done them.

No, he waits to the end, tosses it in with "closing the gun show loophole" (private sale) and there is controversy.

I think he is "trying to make his legacy" by all of this political theater. Guantanamo is still open. We are still in Iraq. We are still in Afghanistan. He has done more drone strikes than Bush II. He resigned most of the major elements of the Patriot Act.

All of this from a man who "won" the Nobel Peace Prize shortly after he came into office.

It is all political theater.

Details what is covered is here:

White House fact sheet here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...e-and-make-our

Executive Order not posted yet.

Presidential Memorandum on Smart Gun Technology here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...gun-technology
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Any idea what "age group" are the main customers
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What happened to the "No -fly list, no gun ownership" proposal. Somebody point out that would never stand up on constitutional challenge?

---------- Post added at 09:47 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:44 AM ----------

Slippery slope on no privacy within insurance regarding mental illness. People won't get care if they're afraid of being reported to the "authorities".
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What happened to the "No -fly list, no gun ownership" proposal. Somebody point out that would never stand up on constitutional challenge?

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Slippery slope on no privacy within insurance regarding mental illness. People won't get care if they're afraid of being reported to the "authorities".
Well, I am not an attorney but the problem with both of them have been the adjudication process.

They seem to have the first worked out. You get a special number when you are cleared (say you have the same name as a bad guy) and the next time you get pranged at the airport you give them the number, they look it up, and off you go.

Nothing on the first yet, and I mentioned it last night when were discussing this topic.

Say you are diabetic, and you go into insulin shock with some of its stranger mental issues. Some petit mal seizures are the same.

You are on the street, someone calls the police, they come, and off you go to the hospital for mental eval.

Hospital figures out the issue and you are discharged.

How do you clean that up?
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Well, I am not an attorney but the problem with both of them have been the adjudication process.
I disagree; I believe the problem is the lack of due process.

Administrative Proceedings: A Fair Hearing .--With respect to action taken by administrative agencies, the Court has held that the demands of due process do not require a hearing at the initial stage, or at any particular point in the proceeding, so long as a hearing is held before the final order becomes effective...(snip)
When the Constitution requires a hearing it requires a fair one, held before a tribunal which meets currently prevailing standards of impartiality. 34 A party must be given an opportunity not only to present evidence, but also to know the claims of the opposing party and to meet them. Those who are brought into contest with the Government in a quasi-judicial proceeding aimed at control of their activities are entitled to be fairly advised of what the Government proposes and to be heard upon the proposal before the final command is issued...(snip)
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The citizen deprived of rights should not have the burden of figuring out how to restore their rights by some obscure process. The government has the burden of proving, in a fair and public hearing, why Constitutional rights should be deprived. This is precisely why both the super-secret no-fly list, and the deprivation of gun rights based on the opinion of somebody with a few weeks of therapy school are patently illegal.
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Slippery slope on no privacy within insurance regarding mental illness. People won't get care if they're afraid of being reported to the "authorities".
Damn skippy. If I suspected I had PTSD, I would not ever consider seeking treatment for it because of the risk of having my weapons confiscated. Even though violence is only associated with PTSD between 7.5% and 19.5% of the time.
I know for a fact that I'm not the only one with this apprehension, by far; and the worse the condition, the higher the likelihood of forced confiscation, so the less likely someone is to seek care. So thank you, Obama administration, for prohibiting soldiers from receiving needed mental health care.
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What Rex said.

I am fully in support of those folks who have been adjudicated mentally ill not be able to own weapons, but there simply must be a speedy and fair due process by which they are adjudicated.

A right to examine the evidence against them and to plead in their own defense. That is a fundamental part of our justice system.
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How many people in power think you are crazy because you think you need to own a weapon?
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Lots of them...and every single one has armed security personnel around them.
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Maybe they should fear the armed guards?
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I dont know if there is such a thing a a "funny shooting"............ or a "stupid shooting"
Had a shooting in Sydney a few hours ago.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/police-off...12-gm4j6b.html
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