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Old 09-09-2016, 01:44 PM   #1
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Default Elon Musk reveals SpaceX rocket exploded BEFORE it was powered up

- and says firm has NOT ruled out a mystery object hitting it in 'most difficult and complex failure we have ever had'


Musk tweeted on Friday asking for 'support and advice' on the blast
SpaceX CEO said engines were off at the time, with no known heat source
The September 1 blast destroyed Facebooks $200 million satellite
Some have claimed footage shows a drone, or even UFO, hitting rocket


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ng-rocket.html
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Old 09-09-2016, 04:38 PM   #2
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A small drone could create a lot of mischief.
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Old 09-10-2016, 02:51 AM   #3
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It seems unusual that the explosion came from the top of the rocket vehicle. Could there have been a short circuit of some sort?

The unidentified object could have emitted a beam to set off the rocket. Are there any videos in other formats, UV, IR, etc.?
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tweets from a Dec 2015 test not the 9/1/16


SpaceX is still trying to accomplish a static fire on an upgraded Falcon 9 on the launch pad at Cape Canaveral. The company had originally planned a test on Wednesday with a launch on Saturday.

The launch vehicle includes a series of upgrades, including liquid oxygen chilled to a much colder temperature than on previous flights. SpaceX CEO Elon Musk tweeted yesterday that engineers were having issues with this improvement.
Falcon 9 is vertical on the launch pad at Cape Canaveral. Working towards static fire. Deep cryo liquid oxygen presenting some challenges.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 18, 2015


Paige Kelton ‏@PaigeANjax 17 Dec 2015
@elonmusk -298 deg F. Godspeed.



@PaigeANjax -340 F in this case. Deep cryo increases density and amplifies rocket performance. First time anyone has gone this low for O2.



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Elon Musk ‏@elonmusk Sep 1 Loss of Falcon vehicle today during propellant fill operation. Originated around upper stage oxygen tank. Cause still unknown. More soon.
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spectacular explosion. At the start of the explosion (1:09) you can see a shinny piece of the rocket, spinning as it flies above the rocket. That may be what some are calling an UFO.?

about 25 sec before the explosion there's some venting at the top, just below the capsule, that wasn't there before. That's where the explosion first appears.

Downloading the video and using a good media player to view it allows you to slow mo, for a better view

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgJEXQkjNQ
Sep 1, 2016 - Uploaded by USLaunchReport

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Old 09-10-2016, 07:56 AM   #6
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It seems unusual that the explosion came from the top of the rocket vehicle. Could there have been a short circuit of some sort?

The unidentified object could have emitted a beam to set off the rocket. Are there any videos in other formats, UV, IR, etc.?
It would be unlikely that a small drone could carry an energy source capable of creating a "beam" with enough power to do much more than light a cigarette.

However, if there was a high concentration of oxygen or hydrogen near a drone, it could have sparked an explosion. Drones are not built or designed to be spark free. Even static from the blades might cause a spark just like their big cousins the helicopters. I would think the rocket is built and designed to be not capable of generating a spark except for ignition.

In hindsight, they could have had the vision to arm the launch site with drone "guns" to disable potential threats.

Now, that said, it would be really, really, really simple to fly a explosive device to the rocket on a small drone and explode it at the nose. It would be an IED. A child could do that. A smart college student could even make it autonomous so that it would be difficult to stop with a Radio Frequency(RF) jammer (since the drone would be autonomous).
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No. There's something moving INCREDIBLY fast - so fast it travels from the right side of your screen to the left in a fraction of a second. It ALL happens within the 1:11 mark. I grabbed three frames. The object is just to the right of the middle tower. When it moves past the middle tower, the rocket explodes, and in the third frame the "ufo" keeps going off the left side of the screen. Some suggest it is a flying insect, which is a possibility as there are other extremely fast moving specks at the 2:09 mark that I wouldn't have noticed if I wasn't moving through the video frame by frame. In any case, it is a strange coincidence that should be fully investigated because we either have supersonic gnats or someone blew up a very expensive rocket.
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The pictures give no indication that I can see of the distance of the "object" from the camera, or from the rocket. I would bet it's a bug flying by the camera very close to it.

Do we know the camera's location?
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The pictures give no indication that I can see of the distance of the "object" from the camera, or from the rocket. I would bet it's a bug flying by the camera very close to it.

Do we know the camera's location?
about 12 seconds after the flash you hear the the explosion.

so camera or the mic is about 2.5 miles away from the rocket.
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at 1:01 , low, between middle tower and the rocket is another UFO, I'd bet it's a bird, a lot closer to the camera then it is to the rocket.
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Did something hit SpaceX's rocket before it exploded? 'Large breach' in Falcon 9's helium system may have led to blast on the launch pad

SpaceX has been studying data and video footage of the rocket explosion
The company says it detected a large breach in the rocket's helium system
It appeared one tenth of a second before a fireball engulfed the rocket
The cause of the breach is still a mystery and SpaceX is still investigating


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...um-system.html


The SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket (illustrated) is the company's main
launch vehicle but it has now suspended all flights while the
investigation into the explosion is ongoing


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A statement on the company's website said: 'At this stage of the investigation, preliminary review of the data and debris suggests that a large breach in the cryogenic helium system of the second stage liquid oxygen tank took place.

'At this time, the cause of the potential breach remains unknown. All plausible causes are being tracked in an extensive fault tree and carefully investigated.'
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Implication of sabotage adds intrigue to SpaceX investigation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...mepage%2Fstory

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The long-running feud between Elon Musk’s space company and its fierce competitor United Launch Alliance took a bizarre twist this month when a SpaceX employee visited its facilities at Cape Canaveral, Fla., and asked for access to the roof of one of ULA’s buildings.

About two weeks earlier, one of SpaceX’s rockets blew up on a launchpad while it was awaiting an engine test. As part of the investigation, SpaceX officials had come across something suspicious they wanted to check out, according to three industry officials with knowledge of the episode. SpaceX had still images from video that appeared to show an odd shadow, then a white spot on the roof of a nearby building leased by ULA, a joint venture between Lockheed Martin and Boeing.

The SpaceX representative explained to the ULA officials on site that it was trying to run down all possible leads in what was a cordial, not accusatory, encounter, according to the industry sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

The building, which had been used to refurbish rocket motors known as the SMARF, is just more than a mile away from the launchpad and has a clear line of sight to it. A representative from ULA ultimately denied the SpaceX employee access to the roof and instead called Air Force investigators, who inspected the roof and didn’t find anything connecting it to the rocket explosion, the officials said.

The interaction between SpaceX and ULA has not been previously reported. It is the latest odd development in the mystery surrounding the explosion of SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket on Sept. 1. The rocket blew up while it was being fueled ahead of an engine test fire, creating a huge fireball that charred the launchpad and rattled buildings miles away.
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