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Old 11-21-2016, 06:21 PM   #1
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Default National CCW Reciprocity

Word is firearms rights groups are going to national CCW reciprocity in the new Trump Administration.

The idea is once you pass a FBI background check that should cover you nationwide.

The second argument is that the 2nd Amendment is in the US Constitution and should override any State Law.

http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/11...ump-will-make/

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There is significant momentum towards establishing national concealed carry reciprocity in all 50 states. President Trump, working with a Republican-controlled House and Senate, should be able to get this passed into law within the first 90 days. There are four different bills to choose from in the House and Senate.
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Trump is ushering in an interesting period..,

Quite a few "hard liners" in his set for cabinet nominations.

The second amendment has been one of his strong points, and I hope he follows through with his promises!
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From here on the outside, it looks as though INTERPRETATIONS of the 2nd have occurred at the state level - has that itself never been addressed by higher courts?
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There have been a few dancing around the edges, the most recent the Washington DC ruling.

But to be honest, everyone is waiting for the perfect test case.

There has always been some kind of defect. The person isn't lilly white, the issue isn't all encompassing, or to be honest both sides afraid it will go against them.

I also think to be honest both sides don't want to delve into why the Founding Fathers enshrined those rights into the Second Amendment.
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There have been a few dancing around the edges, the most recent the Washington DC ruling.

But to be honest, everyone is waiting for the perfect test case.

There has always been some kind of defect. The person isn't lilly white, the issue isn't all encompassing, or to be honest both sides afraid it will go against them.

I also think to be honest both sides don't want to delve into why the Founding Fathers enshrined those rights into the Second Amendment.
I don't think there was much of a bru-ha-ha about the second amendment until the "Progressives" decided that we weren't responsible enough children to play with guns..,

Before that, firearm ownership as a right was pretty much a given.

I think the changes started in the '80s..,
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Old 11-22-2016, 12:09 AM   #6
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I don't think there was much of a bru-ha-ha about the second amendment until the "Progressives" decided that we weren't responsible enough children to play with guns..,

Before that, firearm ownership as a right was pretty much a given.

I think the changes started in the '80s..,
National Firearms Act was signed in 1938 and the Gun Control Act was signed in 1968 each imposing restrictions.
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National Firearms Act was signed in 1938 and the Gun Control Act was signed in 1968 each imposing restrictions.
1934 actually.
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Full Bill here:

"Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017"
http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/up...ep.-Hudson.pdf


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-1...er-trump-swear

GOP Congressman To Introduce National Conceal Carry Bill After Trump Swear In
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Submitted by Joseph Jankowski via PlanetFreeWill.com,

Republican Congressman Richard Hudson from North Carolina is set to introduce national concealed carry legislation for the next congress after Donald Trump is sworn in as president.

The bill, known as the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017, will allow a person with a concealed carry permit in one state to carry a handgun in any other state that permits residents to conceal carry, as long as the person is not banned from possessing or transporting a firearm under federal law, The Daily Caller has learned.

You can read the full bill here.

“Our Second Amendment right doesn’t disappear when we cross state lines, and I plan to introduce legislation in the first days of the 115th Congress to guarantee that. The Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017 is a common sense bill to provide law-abiding citizens the right to conceal carry and travel freely between states without worrying about conflicting state codes or onerous civil suits,” Rep. Hudson told The Daily Caller.

“As a member of President-elect Trump’s Second Amendment Coalition, I look forward to working with the administration to advance policies that support and protect our right to keep and bear arms.”

Congressman Hudson introduced a similar bill in February 2015 which never made it out of the House.

Sources tell The Daily Caller that Hudson’s office has been working on the bill for some time now and are “thinking about what we are going to do in the new year and we plan to introduce the bill from this Congress with the addition of constitutional carry in the first days of the 115th Congress.”

If the bill is able to pass the now Republican-controlled House and Senate, it is very likely a President Trump will sign the legislation considering he has vowed to support a national right to carry law on his official DonaldJTrump website.

“The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway,” Trump wrote in a document laying out his positions on the Second Amendment. “That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege.”
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National Firearms Act was signed in 1938 and the Gun Control Act was signed in 1968 each imposing restrictions.
Some would say "reasonable restrictions." I tend to agree with most.

Who actually needs a fully automatic .50 cal machine gun for personal protection?
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Depends on who you are protecting against...
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The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The amendment says arms not guns. Arms are all the weapons available not limited by class the second amendment writers envisioned the ability for anyone to own anything so that the people can defend themselves from the government
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The whole point of 'keeping and bearing arms' was not personal protection but the right and duty to overthrow a government that got too big for its britches.

During the Revolution, private citizens brought their own canons to the fight, along with guns, knives, pitchforks, and whatever else they had handy. The people WERE the army. In fact the Constitution forbids a standing army except during times of war, which is why we have a 'war on poverty', 'war against drugs', etc at home, and a constant state of international war.

With great power comes great responsibility. Being able to wage war against our own government, on a level that allows us to succeed, is tremendous power in the hands of the people.

Our Founders also said our form of government is entirely unfit for any except a just and moral people... which, we are not. We have more people imprisoned than any other country on earth. That's not the fault of an overreaching government. It is the fault of the people who are committing crimes that get them imprisoned - and we all know a lot more deserve to be in jail, both at the bottom and the top of the food chain. Hint hint, Soros, the Clintons, Lynch, Holder, the State Department, the NSA, the leaders of the FBI, and the rest of the gun running, crooked cabal that has a unionized chokehold on our governmental departments and feel the laws they make only apply to us little people.

How do you keep the guns out of the hands of 'bad' people who will use them against us, and yet keep the 'good' people fully armed and in control of the government?

You get rid of the bad people.
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Some would say "reasonable restrictions." I tend to agree with most.

Who actually needs a fully automatic .50 cal machine gun for personal protection?
Kinda hard to conceal also!
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It is a PIA to have to stop at the border with Maryland unload and lock it in the trunk only to go to the border with Pennsylvania and reload and wear it again.

So stupid for only something like 20 miles or so
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Some would say "reasonable restrictions." I tend to agree with most.

Who actually needs a fully automatic .50 cal machine gun for personal protection?
I used to live on a 30,000 acre ranch, hours from the nearest law enforcement, and prone to periodic night time episodes of theft by groups of men in trucks. That area is currently used by gangs to grow marijuana (on secluded parts of land that is not their own). They are not nice people.

If I were still there, I would need one, not that it's anyone's damn business or rightful judgment as to whether I "need" it or not!
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