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Old 03-23-2017, 02:55 AM   #1
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I guess this article deserves to be here, rather than Technology and Privacy

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Why American Farmers Are Hacking Their Tractors With Ukrainian Firmware
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It won't just be the Yanks hacking their tractors, If they try that in Oz, Same thing will happen. It isn't in Western Australia yet anyway, The John Deere gear is so damn complex, You need a techie to fix it anyway...

Vid' Link>> Self propelled (SP) sprayer on an Oz farm= $465000+ for largest one
Every bell and whistle you can shake a stick at, Very little you can fix if anything goes wrong but =>>> Call John Deere...
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It must also be a nightmare for John Deere because if something
goes wrong after the equipment is hacked then the farmer may
deny/conceal it and seek help from John Deere under warranty ( I assume there
is a warranty period of some kind ) .

Very interesting .

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So much for buying John Deere here. I need a tractor with a front end loader. John Deere has always had great resale value but I won't be looking for one anymore.
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This has been a problem for at least the last several years.

Small tractors such as I might use don't really figure into this. These are the big ones used on the larger farms with no-end of computerization.

I think Deere is hurting themselves with their uncooperative philosophy, but in a certain part of the tractor market they think they control things so there they are.
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My son-in-law is a mechanic for Caterpillar. (makes almost as much as a Dr.) He told me that all of their machinery are hooked to the net so they can tell not only location, but if it's running and if it is, how well it is running. They can diagnose many problems from afar and know what it's going to take before arriving on scene.
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Why am I not surprised by any of this.
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By the way, one of the companies I am giving consultancy is in Autonomous car technologies. You know that by 2018 all new cars in USA will have the infrastructure for cooperative data sharing and possibly autonomous driving capabilities. It is predicted that in no more than 10 years, human driven cars will be like the rotary phones. Car ownership will be replaced by car pooling etc.

Industrial machines like tractors will similarly carry for autonomous functions and not require a human operator, I need some insight on how quick this transformation be.
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Autonomous cars won't help me driving a bush road to my house from the city. Nor would I trust one on that road, hills or curves.

They may have their purpose in heavily, densely populated areas, but not everywhere.
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rb. classic cars will exist but the new generations will accept the life with autonomous cars as the norm, a child born today will never get a driver's license. Needless to say from insurance premiums to parking spaces, hdc (human driven cars)will quickly find themselves disadvataged.
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They may have their purpose in heavily, densely populated areas, but not everywhere.
Agenda 21 wants to push everyone into urban areas and re-wild areas with sparse population. Eliminating private means of transportation is a good way to achieve that goal.
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A few countries like USA have this "wild wild sparsely populated" areas, the old world is either densely packed or there are public means to reach every corner easily
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Don't autonomous cars need some sort of sensors on the road to operate? In Canada they would be restricted to large cities. It takes me 36 hours of straight driving at 100 km/hr to get HALFWAY across my country. On a highway. The cost to install, maintain and keep those sensors clear of snow just on the Trans Canada highway alone would be cost prohibitive, never mind rural streets and roads. That would make prisons of our cities, where it would be more cost effective.

If they run on satellite maps, we'd all be dead here. A lot of the roads that show up on sat maps near my new house are skidder trails from logging. They are not roads, but they show up as roads anyway.

Autonomous cars will never take root in sparsely populated countries like Canada, espcially those with snow and ice half the year.
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Don't autonomous cars need some sort of sensors on the road to operate? In Canada they would be restricted to large cities. It takes me 36 hours of straight driving at 100 km/hr to get HALFWAY across my country. On a highway. The cost to install, maintain and keep those sensors clear of snow just on the Trans Canada highway alone would be cost prohibitive, never mind rural streets and roads. That would make prisons of our cities, where it would be more cost effective.

If they run on satellite maps, we'd all be dead here. A lot of the roads that show up on sat maps near my new house are skidder trails from logging. They are not roads, but they show up as roads anyway.

Autonomous cars will never take root in sparsely populated countries like Canada, espcially those with snow and ice half the year.
They use sensor fusion ... All the roads are mapped with HD maps, 10 cm (4 inch) precision, also the landscape is recorded and processed real time during the journey. The cars talk to each other via vehicle-to-vehicle to alert each other. The car can sense objects around and make manevours, But when all else fails the control is left to the driver. I guess 98% availability is good for go and they will update the back roads when the driver controlled smart vehicles travel over them and gather data.
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I love the name of this thread by the way. Well done Oric!
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I love the name of this thread by the way. Well done Oric!
Ditto!
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