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Old 10-28-2013, 10:58 AM   #26
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Today we went to town for supplies: New Halters and Salt/trace minerals (they went right for this when we got home) and Sweet Feed, Cracked Oats, Molasses, Rice Bran to go with Coconut Oil, Peanut Oil and Organic Butter to make treats with. We also stopped at the grocery store and ran into my cousin the vet! He's large animal/horse vet I'm to call him in a little while and have a visit YEAH! I also have a college buddy who's an equine specialist I plan to do a bit of brain picking with. Sometimes it seems that things just fall into place when they need to. Later this week we'll be starting on more fencing. The main focus will be to make a sorting/working corral so we can rotate the livestock through a series of electric fenced pastures and an arena for mule training. Within that arena there will be room for a round pen. We have areas we can use for more casual training including trails around the property. Our first goals will be toward basic commands working for packing and pulling: Stand, Get up, Whoa, Gee, Haw, Back, Load up, Pick up (feet), Easy etc and we will be doing a lot of anti-spook-walk over-around boogies training.
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They LOVE the Mule Cookies!
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Our first goals will be toward basic commands working for packing and pulling: Stand, Get up, Whoa, Gee, Haw, Back, Load up, Pick up (feet), Easy etc and we will be doing a lot of anti-spook-walk over-around boogies training.
Basically...

It is still step around or on it. If it moves stop or walk around it.

If it hisses or bites kick the sh*t out of it.
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They LOVE the Mule Cookies!
Horse treat recipes.

http://www.houstonspca.org/site/DocS....pdf?docID=203

BTW, some of them look fairly good. I will try them myself.

Looks like some sweet, but not too much. Some have diced carrots, etc.

The one with bran? Well, how can I be delicate about this. Let's say they would be handy to "get things moving".
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Basically...

It is still step around or on it. If it moves stop or walk around it.

If it hisses or bites kick the sh*t out of it.
That's Mule Attitude spot on!
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:55 AM   #32
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I got my first mule wakeup call yesterday morning. I went out to feed the mules their morning breakfast and Spicey Mae just about took the top of my head off kicking and bucking. I heard her hind hoof whoosh past my left ear I kid you not!!! She conected with my left forearm but it didn't hurt much. That one by my head would have hurt if it had connected though. DUH!!!
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Old 11-06-2013, 12:09 PM   #33
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Old 11-06-2013, 12:17 PM   #34
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Oh, you're not going to get off with that kind of comment flourbug. What do you mean by that? Curious minds want to know...
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lol... gotcha.

When a (horse, mule, donkey, zebra - hoofed equine type animal) is neglected they get docile because they don't have the energy to be a real bitch. So you think, "Hey! They are so nice. So cooperative. So friendly! I shall bring them home and life will be loverly and we'll have two cats in the yard and two mules in the barn."

Then you feed them. You probably give them good food and treats because they were neglected and you want them to fill out and be healthy. What you are doing is giving them the energy they need to bring out their inner mulishness.

Which is why I said, way back on the other page, that the #1 thing you need to do is school them. Hopefully before they kick your brains out.

You need to feed them and get them in better health but really I would expect you to have your hands full teaching them some manners at the very same time.
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Well, Spicey Mae is really a kicker. She doesn't kick at me every morning, but most. This morning BG made a fresh batch of mule cookies and I took them two each along with a carrot and celery stalk each as well. When I went into the pen to feed them a bit of pelletized feed she went ballistic and kicked the feed bucket in my hand. So faR she hasn't connected with my brain pan but its only a matter of time because she is refining her aim. I'm not sure how to address the kicking thing but something has to be done. Otherwise BG will some day find me down in the pen with my head caved in and that will be that. I guess there are worse ways to go but I'd rather not die by mule...
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To be fair, I have to praise sugar lily because she is so sweet and docile she wouldn't kick me if her life depended on it. I've talked to her about her sister but so far she hasn't been able to make any difference in Spicey's attitude. Oh well, some peoples kids...rolleyes
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Horses show aggression in to establish a pecking order. They will put their ears back, and stomp, and face off, and push, and buck, and kick out at you, even ceremoniously pee and poop. She's just letting the new human in her life know she's no wimp. (And apparently her sister is just as submissive as Spicey Mae is Alpha Queen)

Every time you let her get away with it is a step backwards that you do not want to take. I assume you want Spicey Mae to earn her keep on your farm, not lounge around a pasture for the rest of her days, growing fat because she knows how to scare you with her little tantrums.

Get your horsey person over to work with her. They'll recognize body language you might miss.

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These mules aren't horses FB. I've heard the sound of their hooves whistling by my ear a few times now. I guess l'll eventually feel the thud of their hooves on my hard head. I sure hope it's later than sooner...
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Their behavior is pretty much the same, Max. They're both prey animals that live in cooperative herds, and that informs how they act. Your girls would fit right into a herd of horses.

You are saying "their hooves". Are they BOTH kicking at you?

In the wild, horses don't just run around together, lalala. They are not disorganized. They are like the Blue Angels. Everyone has a place and assigned jobs, and everyone has eyes on the leader at all times and take their cues from that leader. It is a matter of survival.

From what you say, Spicey Mae is showing her aggressive behavior at feeding time, and that is perfectly normal. The herd is very vulnerable at feeding time. The sights and sounds of you coming in with food - especially if the weather is threatening... like, if a storm is coming or there's wind and rain or lightning - will agitate their highly tuned sensibilities and they can become very dangerous. Spicey Mae is not accepting you as her leader, and you aren't accepting her... and until that relationship is worked out she's going to keep challenging you.

Being kicked in the head can REALLY ruin your day. If she wants to kick you, she will. Fortunately a kick is a warning. They usually do not make contact. But the key is "usually". It does happen. Some are just plain crazy, or you walk into it, or their aim sucks.
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Spicey May is the problem child Canada sue. Sugar Lily wouldn't kick me for nothing. The "hooves" I mention all belong to Spicey May. Sugar Lily is fine and has never offered to kick me. Spicey May, on the other hand, has kicked me several times. I have not made an issue of it, but it still stands that she is in charge. I guess that's what you call it. She won. I didn't.
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Today we put halters and leads on them, gave them a good brushing and led them around the pasture. It wasn't perfect but it was a good start. Spice started to act up a bit so I tied her to a post and left her until she settled down. Max rescued her and we all went for a short walk then back to the starting point and the halters were taken off. Lots of praise for good behavior. It was a good short lesson one of many to come
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Spicey May is the problem child Canada sue. Sugar Lily wouldn't kick me for nothing. The "hooves" I mention all belong to Spicey May. Sugar Lily is fine and has never offered to kick me. Spicey May, on the other hand, has kicked me several times. I have not made an issue of it, but it still stands that she is in charge. I guess that's what you call it. She won. I didn't.
Sad to say but it might be Sale barn time if you don't turn it around.
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I hear you Pote. But actually, she's kind of coming around with my continued patience and Beth's coaching. She just gets impatient when its feeding time and she's done it to both me and Beth now. So it's not just a male pattern thing like we thought. She's just antsy at feeding time. We can deal with that and she is slowly coming around. We put halters and leads on them both yesterday and had very little trouble with them. I had spicey may on my lead and she did very well. It's just a training issue and they're still new to our farm. I think things will work out in the wash. We'll see...
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We're picking up feet!
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Picking up feet is a huge step - well done!
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We're picking up feet!
Needed but kind of gross

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Me too! Spicy makes the craziest faces, she's a very animated mule!
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