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Old 09-11-2014, 01:01 PM   #1
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Default Christian homeschool damages children

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the lack of regulation in Nebraska, where the family lived, “allowed us to get away with some really shoddy homeschooling for a lot of years.”

How Christian fundamentalist homeschooling damages children

The religious right touts homeschooling as a viable educational alternative. Parents, grads tell a different story

My interest in homeschooling was first sparked nearly 20 years ago, when I was a socially awkward adolescent with a chaotic family life. I became close to a conservative Christian homeschooling family that seemed perfect in every way. Through my connection to this family, I was introduced to a whole world of conservative Christian homeschoolers, some of whom we would now consider “Quiverfull” families: homeschooling conservatives who eschew any form of family planning and choose instead to “trust God” with matters related to procreation.

Though I fell out of touch with my homeschooled friends as we grew older, a few years ago, I reconnected with a few ex-Quiverfull peers on a new support blog called No Longer Quivering. Poring over their stories, I was shocked to find so many tales of gross educational neglect. I don’t merely mean that they had received what I now view as an overly politicized education with huge gaps, for example, in American history, evolution or sexuality. Rather, what disturbed me were the many stories about homeschoolers who were barely literate when they graduated, or whose math and science education had never extended much past middle school.

more: http://www.salon.com/2014/09/10/how_...ldren_partner/
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Old 09-11-2014, 01:49 PM   #2
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And you think that regular schooling doesn't turn out thousands of semi-literate "graduates" every year?
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Old 09-11-2014, 02:29 PM   #3
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Here's a link to the "Meet the Alternet Staff" page:

http://www.alternet.org/staff

Do they appear to be a group of people who are going to be willing to report objectively on this topic?

Through my county 4-H program I work regularly with home schooled kids. For their percentage of the population they are greatly over represented in such extra-curricular youth organizations relative to public schooled kids. Different options, different choices.

I'm not always thrilled with some of what particular parents (but not all by a long shot) teach their kids so far as science goes, but then I'm not thrilled with what the public schools my children are attending are being taught. Problems everywhere and not a lot of solutions.

In my opinion this Alternet piece is junk.
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Old 09-11-2014, 08:08 PM   #4
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The article is anecdotal and the goal was to present the dark side of Christian home schooling. I suppose liberal elite socialist home schooling is all OK. So the whole article is just more Christian bashing.

Mama Allana has the right perspective; there are going to be failures at home and public schools.
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Old 09-11-2014, 08:15 PM   #5
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I have not met many home schooling parents but those I have were
in my opinion flawed people . One family I know live way out in
the country , are quite lazy , inadequate as teachers in almost every
way and their children are very isolated . I see their case as a form
of child abuse .

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Old 09-11-2014, 08:50 PM   #6
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I was a homeschooling parent for two periods (K & Gr. 5), due to DD#1 being taught nothing. As we have similar personalities it didn't last long, but I did feel the internet and materials available for purchase (Abeka, Spectrum series workbooks) allowed me to be as good as any teacher, in a one-on-one situation. When she returned to school, we enrolled her in Kumon to supplement her public education.

I don't regret either action. Had DD been left solely in the schools' hands, she'd still be struggling with simple addition and substraction facts, still believing she was stupid, instead of an honour roll high school and college grad, with a job in her field before graduating.

Homeschool is what each family makes of it, just like bricks and mortar schools.
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Homeschool is what each family makes of it, just like bricks and mortar schools.
Exactly. I am no fan of the fundie crowd. But I have no reason to think home education in such a household would be any better or worse than in a non-religious household. The whole article smacks of condescending, Subaru-driving, lefty, "we know better than you" BS.
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Homeschool is what each family makes of it, just like bricks and mortar schools.
This. Spot on.
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As my daughter is involved in 4H as well, we have noticed a cross section of home schooled families. Some have no business teaching anything, and others are doing a fabulous job. The one common thread seems to be some degree of awkwardness in a large social setting and in working as part of a group where all the members might not have the same values as your family.
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Grandson #2 was homeschooled for 2 years. In his case it was necessary; some sort of neurological condition + frustration caused him to melt down in class, and the school's response was to have him removed to a coat closet. So he missed classroom instruction, didn't understand what the teacher wanted, causing MORE frustration. As with rb's DD, continuing in public schools would have left him in a sinkhole of failure that he would never have pulled out of. Homeschooling let him catch up with what should have been done his last 2 years in public school. Now he's in public high school, getting good grades. Hasn't made up his mind what he wants to do with his life yet, but he's only 15.
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I homeschooled my 4 children and they turned out great! My daughter managed to hold a 50/hr week job managing a store at 19 (youngest GM in history of her company) and go to university full time and still get straight A's. She now has her Associates degree and hopes to have her Doctorate in Psychology in another 5 or 6 years.
Oldest son (29) owns two businesses and is also taking courses online through MIT and getting straight A's. He just got his Associates in international affairs.
Other daughter has worked as an English teacher since she was 17.
Youngest son has worked and supported himself since he turned 18, he'll be 20 this month and is thinking of going to college as well, now that he's had a couple years of goofing off ;-)
My kids never had any problems with socialization, in fact they were able to interact equally with peers and adults. They make friends easily. My kids have never complained to us about being homeschooled, in fact they enjoyed the freedom it offered them to study at their own pace and also to sometimes focus on areas that interested them. They are all hard workers who moved out on their own between 18 and 19 yrs old and are all hardworking adults who take care of themselves.
Most States have guidelines that have to be met for homeschoolers. Colorado requires testing or teacher evaluation every other year starting in 3rd. grade...and they unfairly require homeschoolers to score higher on the tests than public school kids.
Homeschooling is hard work, the lazy ones don't usually last and end up reenrolling their kids into public school. This is obviously just an article by someone who wants to slam homeschooling using as example a very minute percentage of bad homeschoolers.
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The one thing i'm seeing in common with most of the anecdotes of our members is that there were very specific issues that we not be addressed in a conventional classroom setting.

In Lisa's case, her children grew up with her parents modeling the epitome of social engagement, so from day one they learned about interacting and working with anyone, especially people who are different than them. I'm not surprised that that they are the type of people that they are.

My experience locally has been the opposite of that. The groups I have interacted homeschool to "get away" from something and end up being insular.
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My niece was bored with her classes down by the Lake of the Ozarks. So her mom sent her to DM to go to school and be in the TAG classes. She stays with her dad and her two brothers. I kept trying to get my oldest DS in to TAG but his behavior kept him out of it.
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Ex, in my case it was an issue of DD having the same teacher for JK, K, and 1, with a new teacher for 2, but it was a 2/3 class. 2s were sent to be taught their Math by another teacher, to facilitate 2/3 teacher's "teaching to the test" for the 3s. That is the first year of standardized, reported testing in Ontario. The teacher DD and the 2s were sent to for Math? The FRENCH teacher, who hated teaching them Math, and sucked at it. At the same time, their regular teacher was going through a divorce and did nothing but yell at them. We discovered these secrets when we were moving from the town at the end of the school year, from an education assistant that was a neighbour.

We attended every parent/teacher night, always asking questions. Is phonics being taught, how is math being taught. At the new school, for 3rd grade, we were assured she would catch up. Didn't happen, and by 5th grade I said screw it. What I learned later was that NONE of the kids had what I would consider proper reading or math skills for their ages or grade level. Massive, massive fail. I'm sure Sue can attest to this with SD.

DD is bright. That was clear as a toddler and preschooler. Bright without a proper education means squat. The public system in Ontario no longer provides proper math or reading education without some type of parental intervention, whether it's homeschooling or additional programs like Kumon.
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rb - glad to hear that you were engaged enough to make sure your daughter had all the things put in place that she needed to become a successful student.
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