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Old 10-02-2014, 05:02 PM   #26
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Two people in Kentucky in quarantine with symptoms

http://www.lex18.com/news/two-patien...like-symptoms/
Just to be clear, this isn't currently happening.

Fayette County health officials have twice quarantined patients who showed Ebola-like symptoms

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In the past five months, Fayette County health officials have quarantined two patients who had traveled to or from Liberia after they showed symptoms similar to those of Ebola.

Ebola has ravaged Liberia, in West Africa, since March. Neither Kentucky patient had the virus, but the cases show that the system of detection, isolation and investigation in place in Kentucky worked as it should, said Dr. Rice Leach, Fayette County health commissioner.

In each Kentucky case a doctor, after questioning a patient about travel and symptoms, alerted infectious disease specialists at the Lexington-Fayette County Health Department.

The patients were then quarantined at University of Kentucky Chandler Medical Center. At the same time, public health workers started tracing the patient's steps to look for possible points of spreading the illness.

"We have practiced the public health response," Leach said. "We put them in isolation in the hospital until we could prove it was something else."

Leach said the health department went through the same process recently with another case involving a different disease. That case also proved to be a false alarm...
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Thanks for clarifying that----I should have looked a little closer
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Duncan had recently traveled from Liberia and may have acquired the virus from a sick woman he was "holding by the legs" in a cab.

This might be sweat contamination?

http://www.newser.com/story/196694/u...apartment.html
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She was 7 months pregnant and seizing. I suspect that sweat wasn't the only bodily fluid present.
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Reston WAS AIRBORN!

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---------- Post added at 06:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:35 PM ----------

Travel of Ebola Patient:

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/vi...ravel.cnn.html
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Time for reflection: I understand there might be a hundred contacts. I FULLY expect cases to come from these contacts. How many? 2 (because Ro=2+)

This case will provide a "case study" of what to do and what not to do in the Western World.

There will be many, many cases. Now is the time to learn.

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Considering the reports in other threads, I'll go out on a limb and say 4 cases-Louise, and 3 of the kids... They did have direct contact with Duncan...

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Are the kids living with Mom?
Why would they attend 3 separate elementary schools?




A map of North Dallas in Texas reveals the proximity of where Mr Duncan was staying in relation to the hospital and schools as officials said today the Ebola patient may have come in contact with up to 100 people

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...infect-it.html




The Red Cross delivered boxes of food to the quarantined apartment in North Dallas, Texas on Thursday afternoon after Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan's partner, Louise, said the CDC had not informed her of the plan to look after them





An unidentified man exits the apartment under quarantine for Ebola today to pick up food that was delivered by The Red Cross in Dallas, Texas. The man is wearing a shirt that reads: 'YOLO, you only live once'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...infect-it.html

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Default prosecute Duncan


Liberian Duncan Lied about his Ebola in order to get to the US.
Should he be made an example?
Should US halt issuing travel visas to Ebola refugees?


Questioned: Passengers are questioned about their contact with Ebola patients before they are allowed to leave the country. Duncan is accused of lying on his questionnaire

Records: A copy of a passenger health screening form filled out by Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan is seen here

Liberia plans to prosecute Duncan who brought Ebola into the U.S., alleging that he lied on an airport questionnaire about not having any contact with an infected person, authorities said on Thursday.

Thomas Eric Duncan filled out a series of questions about his health and activities before leaving on his journey to Dallas, Texas on September 19. On the form he answered no to every question.

Among other questions, the form asked whether Duncan had cared for an Ebola patient or touched the body of anyone who had died in an area affected by Ebola.

'We expect people to do the honorable thing,' said Binyah Kesselly, chairman of the board of directors of the Liberia Airport Authority in Monrovia. The agency obtained permission from the Ministry of Justice to pursue the matter.

Neighbors in the Liberian capital believe Duncan become infected when he helped bundle a sick pregnant neighbor into a taxi a few weeks ago and set off with her to find treatment.

Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf told CBC today that she was 'very angry' that Mr Duncan had left Liberia after being exposed to Ebola and that his actions were 'unpardonable'.

She said that she hoped no one else would be infected with the virus in the U.S.

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Hello? Do you know if you have been coughed on, sneezed on, etc. within the last 21 days? If he had been actively sick on board the plane, he would have been picked out and held. So, he wasn't showing symptoms for a while. It is always possible to have contact to asymptomatic carriers.
Mousehound Apparently you don't know the extent of the local cluster that Duncan was in the middle of in Monrovia. Several people, including people in the same house he lived, others were next door neighbors, getting sick, taken away in ambulances, all before he left for Texas on the 19th?. How could he not know? How could he have honestly answered on the 19th that he had not had direct contact with EBOLA?

Please read this article in the NY Times and let me know if your opinion changes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/wo...ncan.html?_r=0


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Zachary Thompson and Christopher Perkins, Dallas County health officials, leaving the home where Thomas E. Duncan stayed.

*Obviously, by the fact they aren't wearing any PPE at all while in the home, they are showing the world that Ebola is not contagious in the US.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/us...-contacts.html
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Poor example to be setting in the name of optics. Those in the home are in the prime time period to break with symptoms. Even if we dodge a nuclear bullet with H-H transmission with Mr. Duncan... what about the viral load in the apartment? I would have at least worn a mask & gloves.
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I like that they're putting their money where their mouth is.

They claim you need to touch body fluids to get it, so no sense in worrying about the small possibility that they may catch it from the surroundings.

Of course, this means we're all going to die, but the important thing is to make sure no one overreacts.
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How should trash/waste from the apartment be handled?
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My opinion, No less than it was at Emory University while Dr Brantley and Nancy Writebol were there.

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Questioned: Passengers are questioned about their contact with Ebola patients before they are allowed to leave the country. Duncan is accused of lying on his questionnaire

Records: A copy of a passenger health screening form filled out by Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan is seen here

Liberia plans to prosecute Duncan who brought Ebola into the U.S., alleging that he lied on an airport questionnaire about not having any contact with an infected person, authorities said on Thursday.

Thomas Eric Duncan filled out a series of questions about his health and activities before leaving on his journey to Dallas, Texas on September 19. On the form he answered no to every question.

Among other questions, the form asked whether Duncan had cared for an Ebola patient or touched the body of anyone who had died in an area affected by Ebola.

'We expect people to do the honorable thing,' said Binyah Kesselly, chairman of the board of directors of the Liberia Airport Authority in Monrovia. The agency obtained permission from the Ministry of Justice to pursue the matter.

Neighbors in the Liberian capital believe Duncan become infected when he helped bundle a sick pregnant neighbor into a taxi a few weeks ago and set off with her to find treatment.

Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf told CBC today that she was 'very angry' that Mr Duncan had left Liberia after being exposed to Ebola and that his actions were 'unpardonable'.

She said that she hoped no one else would be infected with the virus in the U.S.

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Stop the madness! Stop all flights that have connections back to any county in west Africa. Stop issuing any visas to people coming from that area / countries with Ebola outbreaks.

And please ---- Let's hold the MSM and any and all in the government who are trying to re-write history and referring to Duncan 'returning to the US'. He's never been here, not a resident --- He lied to exit Liberia, lied to gain access to the US and presumably that was to access our healthcare system with no regard to the risks and threat he posed to anyone else.
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Liberia plans to prosecute Duncan who brought Ebola into the U.S., alleging that he lied on an airport questionnaire about not having any contact with an infected person, authorities said on Thursday.
Obviously not the solution. People who think they have it are going to do whatever they can to get to places with superior medical care. And, who can blame them? This thing has a 70% CFR; who freaking cares about the consequences of lying on some paper questionnaire? Only solutions are to completely cut air travel from the infected zone or implement a proper pre-travel quarantine system.
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Stop the madness! Stop all flights that have connections back to any county in west Africa. Stop issuing any visas to people coming from that area / countries with Ebola outbreaks.

And please ---- Let's hold the MSM and any and all in the government who are trying to re-write history and referring to Duncan 'returning to the US'. He's never been here, not a resident --- He lied to exit Liberia, lied to gain access to the US and presumably that was to access our healthcare system with no regard to the risks and threat he posed to anyone else.
If this info is correct, Duncan got a visa and ticket to here long before he was exposed.
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Sandyd, You confuse me, are you saying that Duncan didn't lie at the airport on his Ebola exit interview?
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No, what she's saying, and I think I agree, is that he would have had to gotten his visa before he was infected, so the trip was planned in advance.

But what I'm guessing is the time-table for the trip was probably sped up a tad, when he thought he might be EVD+ (I just coined that, its mine...).
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Patient Being Evaluated for Possible Ebola at D.C.'s Howard University Hospital


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hat tip to builder bob for hearing this on news in the UK
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It came up on one of the other threads. We have three US Ebola focused threads going. It might be time to clean them up.
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PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – Dom Giordano talked with Dr. Gil Mobley, who believes the CDC is lying about the threat posed by Ebola and staged a protest at Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson Airport to expose it.

“For months, doctors in my community — since we had a meeting six weeks ago — have been convinced that the United States will be importing clusters regularly. Right now, on the continent of West Africa, there are a million people in isolation, in quarantine, because of Ebola, and ten thousand passengers leave West Africa every single day. It’s just a matter of time before this disease is carried to every corner of the world.”

He insists the CDC is underplaying the threat posed by the disease and is intentionally misleading the public.
“They said the chance of importing a cluster — just two weeks ago — was extremely small, yet we knew that it was a sure thing. And the very same day that the President echoed [Director Tom] Frieden’s sentiment at the CDC that it’s very small, that very same day, they made the misdiagnoses in Dallas and sent this infectious guy home to infect these other people.”

Mobley said it is inevitable that an Ebola crisis will break out in the United States.
“That disease is going to consume every third world country on the planet, and then we will be importing these clusters on a regular basis. I have no question that we will be able to stomp out this cluster in Dallas, but what happens when it happens on a weekly basis? Already the Dallas Health Department is overwhelmed; they’re flying people to Atlanta. I don’t care how advanced any industrialized nation is, there is a threshold where we will outstretch the resources and it becomes uncontrolled.”
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...-of-the-world/


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Health Dept. jobs are not exactly considered to be the pinnacle of medical practice. A friend of mine took a job there because it was all he could get after his third drug infraction.
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Sandyd, You confuse me, are you saying that Duncan didn't lie at the airport on his Ebola exit interview?
No.

I do not know if he knew about his landlords daughters cause of death.

I'm saying he got a visa before that happened and bought the ticket to the USA before that.
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