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Old 12-20-2016, 07:37 PM   #26
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Because by labeling credible news that may be damaging to someone or something as fake news you discredit its veracity. Start by saying an individual story is fake and spread to an entire news organization such as Breitbart for example and from that point on anything they produce has a shadow of doubt surrounding it. Now we're defending Breitbart instead of talking about HRC's illegal use of a personal server, among MANY other things, is what cost her the election. It's one more way the government's propaganda machine (MSM) is attempting to control the narrative.
Simply labeling something as "fake news" is not censorship if you do not have any power to remove it from circulation..,

So it is not censorship, it is more like a form of slander..,
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Simply labeling something as "fake news" is not censorship if you do not have any power to remove it from circulation..,

So it is not censorship, it is more like a form of slander..,
I disagree because this is precisely the motivation behind labeling something as "fake news."

Do you find it odd that this term was coined around the time the full impact of the leaked Wikileaks e-mails from the DNC, Podesta et al. was being felt? Did you ask why now? What is the end result of something being thought of as fake? Is anyone going to give it any credence? And if no credence is given doesn't it then go away? While wiping from existence something you find objectionable may fit the strict definition of the word 'censorship', the net effect of labeling something as fake is the same. The Internet and today's information accessibility prevents wholesale book burnings as that would be too obvious so a more circuitous route is being taken.
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Some of the "fake" news is real, and some of the "real" news is fake. But, that doesn't mean that most of the "fake" news isn't fake, or that most of the "real" news isn't real.
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Some of the "fake" news is real, and some of the "real" news is fake. But, that doesn't mean that most of the "fake" news isn't fake, or that most of the "real" news isn't real.
And as an informed individual it is up to you to ask the right questions and do your own homework to determine the difference. Not the government and not the media working in conjunction with the government. That's spooky.
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People don't have time to research every tiny detail of every news article we read. Nor do we have to.

MSM news outlets have lawyers on staff who make sure the people who write articles comply with libel and slander laws. The bottom line, false accusations of wrongdoing cannot be made by the MSM or anyone in their employ. They can report the truth. But false accusations MUST be sourced to someone outside the MSM organization. If the MSM identifies their source by name, that person will always couch their politically driven accusations with, "in my opinion" or another qualifier. You can't be sued for your opinion. If it is an anonymous source then let the accusations fly unfettered. The biased author can build the rest of the article by echoing and magnifying the primary accusation. To cover their ass they may bury the truth in the article, or otherwise counterbalance the primary claim. Then they can say they presented both sides to let the reader decide. This is how fake news is manufactured - and it is how it can be identified.

Flowerchild posted a link yesterday that was a support article for a wonderful example of fake news. First of all it is a story EXCLUSIVELY carried by a far left site. The article grabs your attention with a sensationalist, accusatory headline. The first paragraph tells us an unnamed insider, who must remain anonymous, revealed a scandal. Most of the remainder of the long article quotes famous experts declaring "if this is true, then" it is a heinous crime. Buried within the article is a statement by the victim - a real, named, individual who is actually in a position to know the truth - who completely denies the accusation.

Even if you just read the first 1/4 you will be led to think a member of the staff is a whistleblower who went to the media to report a crime. But once you look at what was actually written, there is no evidence of wrongdoing and the supposed "victim" says there was no wrongdoing. It is ALL unnamed sources and 'if true, then" comments.

As I said, flowerchild's link was a support article for the above story. Support articles can carry Fake News to a higher level, magnifying and advancing the story by quoting a News Article that most people simply assume was truthful. "The Washington Post reported yesterday" blah blah blah more fake news. Such articles spread far and wide throughout the news media, like the WaPo's much repeated list of "Fake News Sites" that were simply websites that offer the conservative point of view.

We can no longer trust our media, but we can deconstruct news articles so we can recognize agenda driven fabrications.

The second step, which I am happy to say is taking place and is very effective, is to simply not patronize Fake News sites or the companies that support them with their advertising dollars.
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:15 AM   #31
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A lady called the charity my wife works at complaining that it was generating fake news and getting involved in politics because she heard they said they were raising their prices due to provincial government cllimate change and minimum wage policies coming into effect (she wasn't directly affected as she didn't use the subsidized child care services, but was just mad to hear this being said).

Um no, it is true and they do have to charge more to cover the carbon taxes and $15 minimum wage being introduced by our NDP government. They're already running tight to the bone due to low energy costs hurting the donations the receive and they can't absorb more new costs being added if they hope to offer services...
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Russian government hackers do not appear to have targeted Vermont utility, say people close to investigation

By Ellen Nakashima and Juliet Eilperin January 2 at 10:02 PM

As federal officials investigate suspicious Internet activity found last week on a Vermont utility computer, they are finding evidence that the incident is not linked to any Russian government effort to target or hack the utility, according to experts and officials close to the investigation.

An employee at Burlington Electric Department was checking his Yahoo email account Friday and triggered an alert indicating that his computer had connected to a suspicious IP address associated by authorities with the Russian hacking operation that infiltrated the Democratic Party. Officials told the company that traffic with this particular address is found elsewhere in the country and is not unique to Burlington Electric, suggesting the company wasn’t being targeted by the Russians. Indeed, officials say it is possible that the traffic is benign, since this particular IP address is not always connected to malicious activity.

The investigation by officials began Friday, when the Vermont utility reported its alert to federal authorities, some of whom told The Washington Post that code associated with the Russian hackers had been discovered within the system of an unnamed Vermont utility. On Friday evening, The Post published its report, and Burlington Electric released a statement identifying itself as the utility in question and saying the firm had “detected the malware” in a single laptop. The company said in its statement that the laptop was not connected to its grid systems.

The Post initially reported incorrectly that the country’s electric grid had been penetrated through a Vermont utility. After Burlington Electric released its statement saying that the potentially compromised laptop had not been connected to the grid, The Post immediately corrected its article and later added an editor’s note explaining the change.

U.S. officials are continuing to investigate the laptop. In the course of their investigation, though, they have found on the device a package of software tools commonly used by online criminals to deliver malware. The package, known as Neutrino, does not appear to be connected with Grizzly Steppe, which U.S. officials have identified as the Russian hacking operation. The FBI, which declined to comment, is continuing to investigate how the malware got onto the laptop.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.9850e7c93175
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Old 01-03-2017, 09:45 AM   #33
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Nobody sees or remembers the retractions...
They see them. They ignore them because it doesn't fit their narrative.
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:17 AM   #34
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Breitbart posts fake news story about a German church being burned by mob (that were Muslim)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ortmund-church
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Do you mean THIS story and the PICTURES showing crowds of North African and Syrian refugees setting a church on fire is FAKE?





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Shortly after midnight, some 1,000 people, including many North Africans and Syrians, had gathered in the square of Leeds.
http://www.bild.de/regional/ruhrgebi...8170.bild.html

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Third World invaders posing as refugees celebrated the New Year in the German city of Dortmund by gathering in their thousands in the city square, attacking police, chanting “Allahu Akbar,” and setting the 800-year-old Church of St. Reinold on fire.

The invaders, the Ruhr Nachrichten continued, also “hurled fireworks at policemen and fired pyrotechnics into the crowd, which included families with children.”

Even though the police repeatedly asked the crowd through loudhailer and speaker systems not to throw firecrackers and rockets into the crowd, the practice persisted until the church was set on fire.
http://newobserveronline.com/dortmun...r-church-fire/


5 minutes on Google, flowerchild, shows that it is your liberal shill sites which are promoting FAKE NEWS.
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Old 01-08-2017, 10:49 AM   #36
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Does that picture look like 1,000 people to you? Liberal shill sites? That was from the Guardian, and quoting the local paper in the town it was in. Breitbart posted an article that said a huge mob burned a church down. The headline read 1,000 men. They did not burn the church down as Breitbart claims. This is a qoute from the article I posted
"The local newspaper said Breitbart had combined and exaggerated unconnected incidents to create a picture of chaos and of foreigners promoting terrorism.

Stray fireworks did start a small blaze, but only on netting covering scaffolding on the church and it was put out after about 12 minutes, the paper reported. The roof was not on fire and the church is not Germany’s oldest."

No matter what you say, the article on Breitbart was fake.
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Here is the link to the Breitbart article. In it you will see they are quoting a GERMAN journalist and showing his on-the-scene video, as to the size of the crowd and their behavior on New Years Eve. Neither the Breitbart article nor the Guardian article claims the refugees burned the church down. They BOTH state, as does OTHER German and European news sources, that a crowd of at least 1000 North American and Syrian immigrants shouted Allahu Akbar, and launched fireworks at police, and directly at the church setting it on fire.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017...church-alight/
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From your article.
"Germany’s oldest church, setting the roof alight."
It is not Germany's oldest church, nor did the roof get set on fire. There were not 1,000 men there either.
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St. Reinold’s church is the oldest extant church in all Germany that exists specifically in Dortmund
https://getbustours.com/blog/dortmun...pital-germany/

The fireworks were shot at the church (which is a crime) and set the netting on scaffolding over the roof on fire. It took 12 minutes to extinguish the blaze, so it was not a minor fire. If authorities were not on the scene the fire would have gone through the roof an caused extensive damage.

As to the size of the crowd. I wasn't there, you weren't there, Breitbart wasn't there - but the figure of "over 1000" was reported by both German authorities and a journalist on the scene.
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From your article.
"Germany’s oldest church, setting the roof alight."
It is not Germany's oldest church, nor did the roof get set on fire. There were not 1,000 men there either.

So, for you, it seems if the numbers were *slightly off* and that perhaps the church was not *the oldest*, it invalidates the report?

A church, a Christian church had its roof set afire when Muslim invaders (under the guise of being refugees) shot fireworks at the church, landing on the roof and starting a fire.

Despite the prohibition of lighting pyrotechnics near churches, firemen had to intervene after fireworks were launched at St Reinolds, Germany’s oldest church, setting the roof alight.


Regarding St Reinolds:
The Lutheran Protestant Church of St. Reinold (German: Reinoldikirche) is, according to its foundation date, the oldest[citation needed] extant church in Dortmund, Germany; it is dedicated to Reinold, also known as Renaud de Montauban, the patron of the city. The church was built as a palatine church in the Ottonian era. The present building is a late Romanesque church with a late gothic quire. St. Reinold's was built from 1250 to 1270, and is located in the centre of the city, directly at the crossing of the Hellweg (a historic trade route) and the historic road from Cologne to Bremen. St. Reinoldi's congregation is a member of the Evangelical Church of Westphalia, an umbrella comprising Lutheran, Reformed and united Protestant congregations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Reinold's_Church,_Dortmund



FC, you seem to be a contentious individual for the sake of being so. You seem so deeply entrenched in denial and mind numbed by a failing ideology, that you seek to find something, anything, no matter how weak, to support the very much altered reality that is embraced by others sharing your viewpoint.

Which is fine. You're happy with that.

However that doesn't in any way change the actual reality in this report. Germany foolishly opened its borders and country to a mob of individuals, primarily military aged males, who loathe and despise the very foundations of western civilization. They ignore the social mores and the laws of Germany, do not attempt to learn how to live in a civilized manner, do not assimilate and demand that Germany (or any of the host nations they are flooding into) that bend to their will, tolerate their violent and barbaric actions and literally pay them, for destroying whatever offends them.

What would be the actions if Christian, European males decided to torch a mosque in a M.E. country?

Would their actions we rationalized? Would that nation pay them to stay there and violate their laws, rape / molest their women and children. Would that nation tell its lawful citizens they needed to understand and accept the actions of them?
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That sounds quite a bit like projection. You buy into your beliefs just as much as anyone else, even more so it would seem.

I post an article that is based on exaggeration on one of your favored sites, that if any other outlet had done the same, it would have been blasted here.
Immigrants have always been blamed for everything. It is a time honored tradition. It is just a matter of swapping out their names. Irish, Chinese, Catholic, Jewish,Japanese, blacks, Mexicans, and Muslims. I can guarantee you in another couple of decades it will be another group. I am sure, if you are around, you will be saying the same thing then.
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That sounds quite a bit like projection. You buy into your beliefs just as much as anyone else, even more so it would seem.

I post an article that is based on exaggeration on one of your favored sites, that if any other outlet had done the same, it would have been blasted here.
Immigrants have always been blamed for everything. It is a time honored tradition. It is just a matter of swapping out their names. Irish, Chinese, Catholic, Jewish,Japanese, blacks, Mexicans, and Muslims. I can guarantee you in another couple of decades it will be another group. I am sure, if you are around, you will be saying the same thing then.
Immigrants who come to a nation, any nation, to improve their lives, assimilate and add to their host nation are a positive thing.

However that is not what is going on in Europe, at this time.

Europe is being flooded with mainly males who do not share any common values of the nations and societies they're in. None. They do not respect those societies. They do not assimilate. They do not add to the health or well being of that society. They give nothing and demand everything.

In fact, they bring only ingrained anger, hatred towards the west, and expect to be allowed to turn whatever area they are in, into a cesspool such as they came from. They have no respect for the host nation. They believe themselves entitled to destroy that which is cherished and respected, in this case, a Christian church, in their grudging host community. Hell, they feel it is their duty, because of some warped version of their so-called religion, to destroy any and all things, that are not within their limited view of the world.

Hindus or Jews, Agnostics or Atheists, Buddhist or Shik, do not enter a western nation and set about disrespecting the community. Can you cite with actual documentation, any of those groups burning or attempting to burn a Christian church, in any western nation, within the last 100 years?

Do any of those group feel they are entitled to grope, rape or molest the women and or children, in their host community? No, they do not. Why? Maybe they aren't brainwashed into believing that it's acceptable to do so in the name of their personal beliefs.

And that cannot be said of the current situation with radical, violent, anti-west, hate based Muslim mobs, flooding Europe and the west in general.

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Fake News: BuzzFeed Runs ‘Unverifiable’ Trump-Russia Claims

Left-leaning news outlet abandons all journalistic ethics in publishing explosive dossier


The online news site BuzzFeed on Tuesday published a letter containing salacious allegations — which even the left-leaning outlet acknowledged are unverified — against President-Elect Donald Trump.

The letter, purporting to come from a retired British intelligence agent, details Trump’s alleged relationship with Russia and contends that the Kremlin has been “cultivating, supporting and assisting” Trump for at least five years.

“Even Donald Trump deserves journalistic fairness.”

It alleges that Russians have been feeding Trump intelligence on his opponents, including Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, for years. It also details Trump’s alleged “personal obsessions and sexual perversion.”

BuzzFeed acknowledges that it has not verified the accusations and even notes that the document contains a number of basic factual errors. Yet it published the full document.

“Now BuzzFeed News is publishing the full document so that Americans can make up their own minds about allegations about the president-elect that have circulated at the highest levels of the US government,” BuzzFeed wrote.

It is a shocking breakdown of journalistic ethics.

Even Mother Jones declined to publish the full details and dossier.

"Even Donald Trump deserves journalistic fairness," tweeted David Corn, Mother Jones' Washington Bureau chief.

3. I accurately characterized the memos-this is important stuff-but didn't publish details. Even Donald Trump deserves journalistic fairness
— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) January 11, 2017

Ben Smith, BuzzFeed's editor-in-chief, defended the decision in a memo to staff.

"Our presumption is to be transparent in our journalism and to share what we have with our readers," he wrote in the email he subsequently shared on Twitter. "We have always erred on the side of publishing. In this case, the document was in wide circulation in the highest levels of American government and media."

Astonishingly, though, Smith cast doubt on whether the story his published was true.

"As we noted in our story, there is a serious reason to doubt the allegations," he wrote. "We have been chasing specific claims in this document for weeks, and will continue to."

Smith drew sharp rebukes from other reporters.

"Not how journalism works: Here's a thing that might or might not be true, without supporting evidence; decide for yourself if it's legit," tweeted Brad Heath, an investigative reporter for USA Today.

Not how journalism works: Here's a thing that might or might not be true, without supporting evidence; decide for yourself if it's legit.
— Brad Heath (@bradheath) January 10, 2017

Julia Ioffe, a journalist who left Politico after suggesting in a tweet that Trump might be having sex with his own daughter, tweeted Tuesday that she had been approached with the story that BuzzFeed ran with but declined to publish. "Because it was impossible to verify. (I tried.)"

Okay, fellow journalists, raise your hand if you too were approached with this story. (I was.)
— Julia Ioffe (@juliaioffe) January 10, 2017

New York Times reporter Adam Goldman heaped criticism on both BuzzFeed and CNN, which aired a version of the story Tuesday but did not publish all of the unverified details.

"Sequence of events: @CNN finds way to talk about report and @buzzfeed uses that as reason to publish. Media critics are gonna be busy," he tweeted.

Sequence of events: @CNN finds way to talk about report and @buzzfeed uses that as reason to publish. Media critics are gonna be busy.
— Adam Goldman (@adamgoldmanNYT) January 11, 2017

#Russia
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http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/b...-russia-claim/
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read:http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christi...e-cia-n2269811

Did 4Chan Troll The CIA?

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On Tuesday night, BuzzFeed News published an explosive, yet completely unverified, dossier alleging that President-elect Donald Trump engaged in a whole host of, shall we say unusual, sexual activities in Moscow. Matt already wrote about the basics of the report and the blackmail threat, so I'm not going to delve into that.

What's worth talking about, however, are*swirling claims on Reddit that 4chan users on the board /pol/ completely made the entire thing up.

According to a variety of posts on the pro-Trump subreddit r/The_Donald, a user on*/pol/, a 4chan board, made up the most salacious story in the report. He then*mailed it to anti-Trump Republican strategist Rick Wilson, who then went to the CIA. The story was then included on the dossier published Tuesday by BuzzFeed News.

If this is true, this effectively means that 4chan trolled the U.S. intelligence system and the majority of the U.S. media with what's basically Donald Trump erotic*fanfiction, which is terrifying.

While literally no aspect of anything that was reported tonight by both BuzzFeed News and 4chan has been confirmed or verified, it is an odd coincidence that a 4chan post from prior to the election seems to match up with what was released on Tuesday.

Additionally, WikiLeaks says that the report published by BuzzFeed is "not an intelligence report" and that it is not consistent with the style of other reports.
Wilson denied that his source was from /pol/.

As for Trump? He says it's all fake news.

Guess we'll have to wait and see if 4chan pulled off what is possibly the greatest troll game in internet history.
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But I thought 4chan was always so honest and accurate?
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All of this fake news is making my head spin. Where in the Hell are ethical reporters who report the news?

Can anybody be believed anymore? Is everything coming down to arguments about fictional events based on our individual perspective? that is as worthless a use of time as analyzing and arguing about the number of Angels that can fit on the head of a pin!
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IMHO, this is how it's been for a long time, only now the media (who was supposed to be the watchdog) has a watchdog, and they really have no idea how to operate with that in place.
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