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Old 02-14-2017, 09:26 AM   #1
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As many had expected, multiple sources have now confirmed that former General Mike Flynn has resigned from his role as President Trump's national security advisor. The White House has confirmed that Lt. General Joseph Keith Kellogg, Jr. has been appointed Acting National Security Advisor.
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The incompetency continues... aka where there's smoke, there's fire...

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The incompetency continues... aka where there's smoke, there's fire...

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Lol! That's certainly one way of looking at it. Another way to look at it is someone finally took responsibility for their actions and resigned rather than trying to run a lie. Incompetency is allowing a lie to propagate like Lois Lerner, Hillary Clinton, Loretta Lynch, Timothy Geitner, Eric Holder... you get the picture.
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Kelly Anne Conway, Sean Spicer, Stephen Miller (aka Trumps minister of propaganda, Goebbels), Trump himself (numerous times)... and this after only 3 weeks...

More to the incompetency-when N Korea launched its missile over the weekend, Trump and Abe held a classified discussion about it IN PUBLIC, not going off to another room to speak privately... also, at the same party, some dimwit decided to take selfies of the man in charge of the nuclear codes (aka) football, and POSTED this on social media... where was the security for THAT?!?!!

My SO pointed out something here-when it comes to meetings and parties that a high ranking member of the administration is attending, ALL GUESTS are REQUIRED to check their phones at the door-only govt secured devices are allowed inside... btw, my SO works for the DOD, this is SOP whenever a dignitary is on premises...

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Here is a must read. The Political Assassination of Michael Flynn.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...form=hootsuite
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Old 02-14-2017, 01:39 PM   #5
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Flynn was a fat target for the national security state. He has cultivated a reputation as a reformer and a fierce critic of the intelligence community leaders he once served with when he was the director the Defense Intelligence Agency under President Barack Obama. Flynn was working to reform the intelligence-industrial complex, something that threatened the bureaucratic prerogatives of his rivals.

He was also a fat target for Democrats. Remember Flynn's breakout national moment last summer was when he joined the crowd at the Republican National Convention from the dais calling for Hillary Clinton to be jailed.

In normal times, the idea that U.S. officials entrusted with our most sensitive secrets would selectively disclose them to undermine the White House would alarm those worried about creeping authoritarianism. Imagine if intercepts of a call between Obama's incoming national security adviser and Iran's foreign minister leaked to the press before the nuclear negotiations began? The howls of indignation would be deafening.


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This is also interesting.

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Nunes told me Monday night that this will not end well. "First it's Flynn, next it will be Kellyanne Conway, then it will be Steve Bannon, then it will be Reince Priebus," he said. Put another way, Flynn is only the appetizer. Trump is the entree.
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Old 02-14-2017, 01:45 PM   #6
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I'm not in the least bit surprised. They will be gunning for everyone with everything they can.

Welcome to the new normal, from both sides.
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I read the DW's article too, lots of somewhat informed speculation, mostly-trying to decipher the why behind all this... I've been hearing Priebus has been on thin ice, and Conway of course has been hanging by a thread since day 1 (alternative facts, anyone?). If there is serious palace intrigue going on, I'll lay odds it's Pence's people pushing this, and if that were the case, then, yeah, Trump will be trumped in the end... regardless, this is not good for an administration that has stumbled out of the gate, and still hasn't gotten its feet under it...

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I read the DW's article too, lots of somewhat informed speculation, mostly-trying to decipher the why behind all this... I've been hearing Priebus has been on thin ice, and Conway of course has been hanging by a thread since day 1 (alternative facts, anyone?). If there is serious palace intrigue going on, I'll lay odds it's Pence's people pushing this, and if that were the case, then, yeah, Trump will be trumped in the end... regardless, this is not good for an administration that has stumbled out of the gate, and still hasn't gotten its feet under it...

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Stumbled according to whom? We're roughly three weeks in and according to this thread, you're not sure you've ever seen it "go this fast." What would you have the administration do or not do?
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The resignation of National Security Adviser Michael Flynn on Monday evening raises troubling questions about the role of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the intelligence services.

Flynn ostensibly resigned because he provided Vice President Mike Pence with “incomplete information” about a conversation he had with the Russian ambassador, which turned out to include a discussion of recent sanctions, contrary to his earlier denials. Trust is crucial; the resignation was warranted.

That said, the sanctions were largely bogus, and were applied not just to punish Russia for spying on the U.S. (both countries clearly spy on each other), but to substantiate the Democratic Party’s sore-loser conspiracy theory that Russia was responsible for electing Donald Trump.

There is no concrete evidence to support that theory, and there is no evidence (yet) that Flynn did anything but discuss sanctions in the most general terms. He did not break the Logan Act, nor any other law, apparently.

Whether Flynn deliberately concealed the contents of his conversation from Vice President Pence, or merely forgot what had been said, he was “caught” because the Department of Justice had been eavesdropping on the conversation. And one of the officials responsible for ordering the eavesdropping was none other than Acting Attorney General Sally Yates, who forced President Trump to fire her when she defied her duty to enforce his executive order on immigration, however, controversial.

Four possibilities emerge. One, which the media and the Democrats (largely one and the same) clearly believe, is that Flynn really was a potential Russian plant, perhaps indicating much deeper Russian penetration of the campaign and administration.

A second possibility is that things really are what they seem, on the surface, to be. Russia’s unusual response to the sanctions — declining to retaliate — was so bizarre that it warranted investigation, which then raised legitimate suspicions about Flynn.

The remaining possibilities are more worrying. The third explanation is that President Obama deliberately, and cleverly, used the bogus sanctions as a “blue dye” test to expose which strings Russia might try to pull to relieve them. Flynn, with a prior relationship with the Russian government, may have been a natural, innocuous point of contact — or perhaps something more.

The fourth and most worrying explanation is that the government was not merely monitoring the communications of Russian diplomats, but of the Trump transition team itself. The fact that the contents of Flynn’s phone conversation — highly sensitive intelligence — were leaked to the media suggests that someone with access to that information also has a political axe to grind.

Democrats are clamoring for a deeper investigation of Russian ties to Trump. But the more serious question is whether our nation’s intelligence services were involved in what amounts to political espionage against the newly-elected government.

We know that there are hundreds and perhaps thousands of federal bureaucrats already using shadow communications systems. How far does that “shadow government” go?

The FBI, CIA and other agencies ought to reassure Congress, or come clean.
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Stumbled according to whom? We're roughly three weeks in and according to this thread, you're not sure you've ever seen it "go this fast." What would you have the administration do or not do?
Well, all the lies that have been flying out of every Trump mouthpiece, for starters...provable falsehoods... or "alternative facts"... this whole mess with Flynn... Ivankas snit with Nordstrom's... the whole party with Abe at Mir-A-Lago, complete with classified info exposed to unvetted guests AND selfies with the nuclear football (that in itself is every bit as bad, if not worse, then Banghazi), and there's plenty more, but I'm at work, so i can't write that exhaustively...

The impression I get is that Trump et al are trying to win a sprint against Usain Bolt, and haven't bothered to tie their shoelaces before the starting gun... arrogance mixed with incompetence, and hubris...

BTW, we all better be watching this Stephen Miller character... really closely...

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Well, all the lies that have been flying out of every Trump mouthpiece, for starters...provable falsehoods... or "alternative facts"... this whole mess with Flynn... Ivankas snit with Nordstrom's... the whole party with Abe at Mir-A-Lago, complete with classified info exposed to unvetted guests AND selfies with the nuclear football (that in itself is every bit as bad, if not worse, then Banghazi), and there's plenty more, but I'm at work, so i can't write that exhaustively...

The impression I get is that Trump et al are trying to win a sprint against Usain Bolt, and haven't bothered to tie their shoelaces before the starting gun... arrogance mixed with incompetence, and hubris...

BTW, we all better be watching this Stephen Miller character... really closely...

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No need to, though it's been better than it has been in years!

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Are you forming your political views by watching SNL?
Ha! Fake news is everywhere now!
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If Trump is stumbling, perhaps it is because he did not win a Nobel prize, like his illustrious predecessor. Clearly he's just not up to the job.

It couldn't possibly be because various "established" power groups, in and out of the government are pissed that the balance of power has been upset. THEIR power. Sharpen your knives, and grab what you can.

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Holy crap, Penguinzee, do you have any idea how this looks to outsiders? You may want to take your blinders off.

Ivanka's snit with Nordstroms only exists because the Dems...er, sorry, MSM...made it a story.

Do you even realize what you are cheerleading?
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Well, all the lies that have been flying out of every Trump mouthpiece, for starters...provable falsehoods... or "alternative facts"...
What specifically are you referring to. Anyone who's bothered to watch the interview with Conway where the term "alternative facts" was used can certainly understand her point within the context of the discussion. Trying to make something more of this really is just silly.


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this whole mess with Flynn...
If he lied or was intentionally deceitful, how is that Trump or his broader admin's fault? Would you rather he not accept the resignation and tolerate a sense of distrust or someone who knowingly lies?


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Ivankas snit with Nordstrom's...
Yet the left's bizarre snit with Ivanka is okay?... Got it.

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the whole party with Abe at Mir-A-Lago, complete with classified info exposed to unvetted guests
Right now you have a rabid media establishment speculating on what those documents were with nothing definitive other than someone hoping for the worst and running it as truth. Show me evidence.

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AND selfies with the nuclear football (that in itself is every bit as bad, if not worse, then Banghazi),
Selfies with the nuclear football is bad. Bad as four people dead and an entire country and region destabilized due to incompetence? You've got an odd sense of scale.

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The impression I get is that Trump et al are trying to win a sprint against Usain Bolt, and haven't bothered to tie their shoelaces before the starting gun... arrogance mixed with incompetence, and hubris...
I would expect a neophyte to make some stutters and stumbles out of the gate. So far everything you've mentioned and everything the left has been triggered over is picking nits. Especially the EO banning travel. Talk about not reporting facts correctly and whipping up a frenzy...

The entire establishment, including the Republicans, Democrats, Hollyweird, the media, the shadow groups like those funded by Soros et al are all simultaneously working to derail him and his Administration. Those are some pretty powerful entities and given all that is arrayed against him, I'd say he's doing pretty well. Obama had all these groups working with and for him and he still managed to muck up everything he touched.


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BTW, we all better be watching this Stephen Miller character... really closely...
Yeah, he sounds like a real dangerous patriot. Better put him on a watch list or something. Unlike Bill Ayers, Cass Sunstein or Saul Alinsky -they definitely have upholding our nation's founding principles at heart as they're blowing up things, designing legislation aimed at taking away our civil liberties and teaching people the Rules for Radicals.

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Stephen Miller (born August 23, 1985) is a senior advisor to President Donald Trump. Prior to his current appointment, he was the communications director for then-Alabama senator Jeff Sessions, who as of February 2017 is Attorney General of the United States. He also served as press secretary to Congresswoman Michele Bachmann and Congressman John Shadegg.
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Early life and education

Miller grew up in a liberal-leaning Jewish family in Santa Monica, California.[1] Though his parents were Democrats, Miller became a conservative after reading Guns, Crime, and Freedom, a book by National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre.[2] While attending Santa Monica High School, Miller began appearing on conservative talk radio.[2] In 2002, at the age of sixteen, Miller wrote a letter to the editor of The Santa Monica Evening Outlook, criticizing his school's pacifist response to 9/11 in which he stated that "Osama Bin Laden would feel very welcome at Santa Monica High School."[2][3] Miller invited conservative activist David Horowitz to speak, first at the high school and later at Duke University, and afterwards denounced the fact that neither of the centers would authorize the event.[2]


In 2007,[4] Miller received his bachelor's degree from Duke University, majoring in political science.[2] Miller served as president of the Duke chapter of Horowitz's Students for Academic Freedom and wrote conservative columns for the school newspaper. Miller gained national attention for his defense of the students who were wrongly accused of rape in the Duke lacrosse case.[2][5] While attending Duke University, Miller accused the poet Maya Angelou of "racial paranoia" and described student organization Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán (MEChA) as a "radical national Hispanic group that believes in racial superiority."[6]


While at Duke, Miller and the Duke Conservative Union helped co-member Richard B. Spencer, a Duke graduate student at the time, with fundraising and promotion for an immigration policy debate in March 2007 between the open-borders activist and University of Oregon professor Peter Laufer and journalist Peter Brimelow, the founder of the anti-immigration website VDARE. Spencer would later become an important figure in the alt-right movement and president of the anti-Semitic and white supremacist National Policy Institute. Reports in the media said Spencer had mentored Miller while at Duke. Miller says he has "absolutely no relationship with Mr. Spencer" and that he "completely repudiate his views, and his claims are 100 percent false." A contemporary of Spencer and Miller at Duke disputed the mentorship claim. Spencer later said the relationship had been exaggerated.[7][8]


Duke University's former senior vice president John Burness told The News & Observer in February 2017 that, while at Duke, Miller "seemed to assume that if you were in disagreement with him, there was something malevolent or stupid about your thinking — incredibly intolerant." History professor KC Johnson, however, criticized Duke for "not [having] an atmosphere conducive to speaking up," and praised Miller's role at Duke: "I think it did take a lot of courage, and he has to get credit for that."
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Good to see penguinzee picking up the mantle of our erstwhile special snowflake, whose name has temporarily escaped me. And, when only that special mixture of juvenility and repulsiveness will do, Fart always comes through. Kudos, folks.
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Wait, the Russians DID manipulate the election?

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Lt. Col Tony Schaffer Revels Who Was 'Directly Behind' Mike Flynn Phone Call Leaks. The Obama team is leaking them now, illegally, to media to create a crisis.
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NSA Whistleblower: Agency ‘Absolutely’ Tapping Trump’s Calls

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-trumps-calls/

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Flynn Resignation Is a Surveillance State Run Amok
Great rundown of how we got to this point.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...tate-run-amok/
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And Trump has "Unfollowed" Conway on Twitter....................
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Fake news, Malcolm.

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