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Old 03-04-2017, 06:06 PM   #1
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If you slept late today you missed Trump's tweet at 5 am stating Trump Tower had been wiretapped prior to the election.

There is an article with a timeline of events on http://theduran.com/Obama-wiretapped-Trump/ A quote from the article:

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In summary: the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; then relaxed the NSA rules to allow evidence to be shared widely within the government, virtually ensuring that the information, including the conversations of private citizens, would be leaked to the media.
The article speculates that the information that Obama was tapping Trump's phone "whilst he was still a candidate was almost certainly provided to the President as a first result of the leaks investigation he has ordered."

After the attempt to remove Jeff Sessions earlier this week by falsely claiming he lied to Congress about contacts with Russia, this article appeared on Moon of Alabama. I think it is one of the best explanations so far:

Obama Ordered Abuse Of Intelligence To Sabotage Trump Policies

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The effort was clearly to sabotage the announced policy of the incoming administration of seeking better relations with Russia. Obama intended to undermine the will of the voters by abusing instruments of the state.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/03...-policies.html
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Old 03-04-2017, 06:14 PM   #2
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For those of you too young to remember the Watergate Scandal, Wikipedia has a good summary:

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The affair began with the arrest of five men for breaking and entering into the DNC headquarters at the Watergate complex on Saturday, June 17, 1972. The FBI investigated and discovered a connection between cash found on the burglars and a slush fund used by the Committee for the Re-Election of the President (CRP), the official organization of Nixon's campaign.[4][5] In July 1973, evidence mounted against the President's staff, including testimony provided by former staff members in an investigation conducted by the Senate Watergate Committee. The investigation revealed that President Nixon had a tape-recording system in his offices and that he had recorded many conversations.[6][7]

After a protracted series of bitter court battles, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that the president was obliged to release the tapes to government investigators, and he eventually complied. These audio recordings implicated the president, revealing he had attempted to cover up activities that took place after the break-in and to use federal officials to deflect the investigation.[5][8] Facing virtually certain impeachment in the House of Representatives and equally certain conviction by the Senate, Nixon resigned the presidency on August 9, 1974.[9][10] On September 8, 1974, his successor, Gerald Ford, pardoned him.

The name "Watergate" and the suffix "-gate" have since become synonymous with political and non-political scandals in the United States.
69 of the administrations top officials were indicted, with 48 found guilty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal

An interesting postscript to this is the fact that Watergate resulted in our only unelected President. Spiro Agnew was Nixon's VP. He was offered a plea deal when being investigated for extortion and bribery that involved resigning as VP. Agnew resigned and then pleaded no contest to criminal charges of tax evasion. Gerald Ford, the House Minority Leader, was appointed Vice President. When Nixon resigned, Vice President Ford became POTUS.
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Old 03-04-2017, 06:52 PM   #3
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If he has proof, I'd love to see it. Until then, I'll write this off to more "Twitter-finger" getting ahead of the brain.
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Old 03-04-2017, 07:31 PM   #4
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Sys, I found this comment buried in an article:

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One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-phones.html

So it does look like what the theduran.com article says may be true, that the information was provided to Trump as part of the investigation into the leaks that he ordered.
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If this is true (that the order came from the WH, not just that a wiretap occurred), it will be explosive.
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I found this:

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Lots of CYA and Fake News happening.

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Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said it had been a "cardinal rule" of the Obama administration that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice.
The Department of Justice that repeatedly pleaded the fifth and avoided answering questions (over 100 times) during the Clinton Email and Obama's Iraq ransom payment investigations? THAT DoJ?

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"Neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false," Lewis said in a statement.
"In all, the government seized the records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP and its journalists in April and May of 2012. The exact number of journalists who used the phone lines during that period is unknown, but more than 100 journalists work in the offices where phone records were targeted, on a wide array of stories about government and other matters.

In a letter of protest sent to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt said the government sought and obtained information far beyond anything that could be justified by any specific investigation. He demanded the return of the phone records and destruction of all copies."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/govt-...-records-probe

"Journalists, First Amendment watchdogs and government transparency advocates reacted with outrage Monday to the revelation that the Justice Department had investigated the newsgathering activities of a Fox News reporter [James Rosen] as a potential crime in a probe of classified leaks."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...b44_story.html

"A former CBS News reporter who quit the network over claims it kills stories that put President Obama in a bad light says she was spied on by a “government-related entity” that planted classified documents on her computer."

http://nypost.com/2014/10/27/ex-cbs-...d-my-computer/
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More here including a long Twitter thread....

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A number of ex-Obama officials appear to suggest that the Obama administration may have actually wiretapped the Trump campaign, but that if they did it would have been justified by a court and part of an investigation by the Justice Department—not led by or ordered from the White House or the former president himself.

On Saturday, former President Obama’s spokesman Kevin Lewis denied that the former White House or the former President himself would have given such an order to wiretap Trump Tower—or any other type of surveillance in any case—but that such an order would have come from an “independent investigation led by the Department of Justice.”

“A cardinal rule of the Obama Administration was that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice,” Lewis said. “As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false.”

Lewis’ statement on the former president’s behalf came in response to the explosive charges from President Donald Trump, who tweeted on Saturday morning that the Obama team conducted surveillance on Trump Tower during the campaign and afterward.

Valerie Jarrett, another close Obama aide, also tweeted the statement from former President Obama’s spokesman, Lewis. Jarrett is, according to the U.K. Daily Mail, now living in the Obamas’ multimillion dollar Washington, D.C. mansion. From there, the Daily Mail reports, the former president and Jarrett will be running a “nerve center for their plan to mastermind the insurgency against President Trump.”

Interestingly, however, a number of other former Obama administration officials do not deny that such a wiretap existed. They just deny that the White House or Obama himself would have approved it or ordered it, and say that the Department of Justice would have sought it in consultation with a foreign intelligence surveillance, or FISA, court.
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Old 03-04-2017, 09:18 PM   #9
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This is dangerous and frightening indeed. Let's not forget that the Obama administration abused the power of the IRS to target its political opponents so to do something like this is certainly not out of the realm of possibilities. And for those who want to say it had the blessing of the FISA court I would simply look at the court's record and see where it rarely has a request that it has denied. It's a rubber stamp agency meant to give the appearance of legitimacy.
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Thank gawd Hillary wasn't elected.
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- They tapped his phone
- They gave Hilary debate questions
- Polls were rigged
- The media did everything they could to help her
- She spent much more money
- They employed dirty tricks ( Project veritas )

And she still lost .



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I may laugh but I am quietly very angry as I guess a lot of you are .
I want sooooo much to see big bums behind bars .

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Naturally the Dems look at this in a different light. Sen. Schumer: We've got him now.
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It would be interesting to know the timeline of this wiretap issue, as it would relate to the Clinton/Lynch tarmac meeting in Phoenix.

And Schumer is an ass. Hope he drowns in that vat of hypocrisy he's swimming in.
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rb., I don't remember the exact dates but I believe the meeting on the tarmac was just a few days after the first FISA request was denied (in July of last year).

Also... this just came out:

Hillary Was Tipped Off On Trump Wiretap – Tweeted About it One Week Prior to Election



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I just checked...Lynch and Slick Willy's convo on Lynch's plane about the grandkids took place June 27.
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I would have expected the phone tap to originate from within the
DOJ rather than the FBI and that is why Comey is asking the DOJ
to clear him .

Has the DOJ denied doing it ?

I imagine it was easy for the DOJ in an age of computers and remote
control to do it in-house with no physical effort .



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Have you seen Loretta Lynch's video? She wants blood in the streets to save her @$$ from Trump.

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Contained misdirection .... Deleted .
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Ross, the Dems don't have a single narrative yet, they're all running about covering their own rear ends and pointing fingers at Trump (he must be a criminal since he was being investigated).

Mark Levin's show on March 2 outlined what he knew about the wiretapping. He appeared on news shows over the weekend with FISA orders in hand, which contradict Clapper's (and other's) claim that there was no FISA order. I have only listened to a bit of the almost 2 hour show but the beginning of the broadcast may answer some of your questions - and create even more.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP1hIWwwij0
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Oh wait , what is this , Obama has form .

Quote:
Wikileaks Destroys Obama – Reveals His History Of
Wiretapping Friends and Rivals


Cristina Laila Mar 5th, 2017 5:04 pm 326 Comments

Obamagate is gaining traction. Wikileaks revealed documents proving
that Obama has a history of wiretapping and hacking friends and foes.
In one particular Wikileaks document, Obama bugged a meeting between
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and German Chancellor, Angela Merkel.
Obama also intercepted a call between then French president, Sarkozy and Merkel.


Source link .


Apparently Obama even tapped the phone of a Fox news reporter .
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James Rosen was the Fox reporter who was tapped.

Sharyl Attkisson was hacked and wrote a book about their tactics.


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Stonewalled: My Fight for Truth Against the Forces of Obstruction, Intimidation, and Harassment in Obama's Washington.

Seasoned CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson reveals how she has been electronically surveilled while digging deep into the Obama Administration and its scandals, and offers an incisive critique of her industry and the shrinking role of investigative journalism in today’s media.

Americans are at the mercy of powerful figures in business and government who are virtually unaccountable. The Obama Administration in particular has broken new ground in its monitoring of journalists, intimidation and harassment of opposition groups, and surveillance of private citizens.
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rb., Gateway Pundit has an article about the timing of the Clinton/Lynch meeting and FISA request:

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We now know that the meeting between Bill Clinton and Attorney General Lynch occurred at about the same time that the Obama administration filed a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers.
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l would expect most filth to be found in the DOJ not the FBI , yet it
appears to be the DOJ reviewing the role of the FBI .

I am confused by what is happening here . Are Trump forces inserted
in to the DOJ trying to break Comey so he tells all ? Yet to easily investigate
the FBI role surely they need Comey to stand aside for some period of
time . Is that the game , gather enough filth so Comey is required to
stand down during the investigation process .



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