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Old 05-07-2017, 03:01 PM   #1
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Default Macron wins - and now what?

Can someone from Europe speculate on this?
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Old 05-07-2017, 03:31 PM   #2
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Nation states movement takes a temporary blow.
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Old 05-08-2017, 10:12 AM   #3
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Now what?

Not much.

Macron got the "Not Le Pen!) vote more than anything else.

But he hasn't even got a for-real political party behind him, much less a parliamentary majority. Those elections won't happen for another month.

I suspect what they'll get is essentially more of the same as they've had these last several years.
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Read this on another forum, supposedly by an American living in Toulouse
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There is absolutely no indication that Macron has either the ability or the intention of turning anything around. At the rally celebrating his victory, they did not play the Marseillaise, the French national anthem, but rather "An Die Freude" [Ode to Joy], the EU anthem. It is rather like a Democrat candidate playing the "Internationale" at their campaign victory celebration. Rather telling that. There is no indication that France can survive until another presidential election. The Jihad is accelerating. The responses are weak. And there is no electoral alternative to submission or civil war. And in that civil war, the government will be fighting the people and be on the side of Jihad. This was France's last chance to try to minimize the inevitable violence.
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Scott Adams on Twitter, April 28:

Prediction: The next Muslim country to have a nuclear arsenal will be France.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:52 AM   #6
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Why vote when you cannot stand either of them ?

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A third of French voters declined to choose between centrist Emmanuel
Macron and far-right leader Marine Le Pen in Sunday’s presidential election,
either abstaining or spoiling their ballots — a record rate in nearly half a
century. According to official results with more than 80 percent of votes
counted, the abstention rate stood at 24.52 percent — the highest since the
presidential election in 1969.
From afar it looked like an awful choice . I do not blame them one
little bit .

They refer to Le Pen as ''far right'' but was she really ? I think not .
Labelling her as such was just the usual fake news way to demonise her .

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Old 05-11-2017, 12:09 PM   #7
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You are their substitute children and who listens to kids.



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The lack of children is a check against them all in my opinion.
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Old 05-12-2017, 06:53 AM   #9
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Make no children an complain about being overrun by immigrants
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:03 AM   #10
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They forced Zero Population Growth down our throats. Choosing not to have children is best. That is the most ethical thing to do. If you must, then one child is nice, you can give them all of your attention and provide them with a good life. You have no right to do more than replace yourselves so 2 at maximum. It is not just socially irresponsible to increase the population, it is impossible to meet the needs of larger families.

It was a lie designed to reduce our numbers at the same time the third world poured into our countries, laughing in our face at how stupid we are.
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Old 05-13-2017, 12:14 PM   #11
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Is there a "they" or is it the by product of the western civilization way of living (individualism, the power of the self .. women having equal power and careers as men (I am not against it)).. You know the immigrants reach the "0-1" children per family standart in 2 generations.

Or the people in Turkey who live like you, tend to have less children.
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All of the above? We could see our world was polluted and getting worse every day. Yellow grey haze hung over every large city (pollution was blamed for dropping temperatures and we were warned of a coming ice age), our rivers were full of garbage and discharged industrial waste, the town dump started looking like a mountain. We were in the middle of a cold war and had the prospect of nuclear Armageddon hanging over our heads. The book Silent Spring had brought an awareness of pesticides and how we were killing insects and birds. We needed Big Ag and Industry to provide for people, and there were just too many people on earth. With legalization of The Pill, we had the power to limit growth. The media, our teachers, the government, all told us that not only should we, we MUST, limit growth or our world was doomed. It was all very logical and very civilized.

The third world - China, India, Africa, and South America - simply didn't CONSUME like we did. They had a lot of people, but one American used more resources than an entire village in Africa. WE had to be limited, not them.
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One of the most persistent facts of macroeconomics is that rich people have fewer kids than poor people. It's true within countries -- i.e., poor americans have fewer than rich americans. And it's true across countries -- poor countries have more kids than rich countries.

The only way to disrupt this factoid this is for poor countries to outlaw lots of kids (China style) or, on the other side, for rich countries to import poor people. The western world have chosen the latter.

Unfortunately, with this choice comes a lot of problems. For America, it is enclaves in many cities where Spanish is the primary language. For Europe, it is enclaves where Muslims bring their extreme hatred of local culture (c.f. Charlie Hebdo). We made a bargain with the devil.
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We needed Big Ag and Industry to provide for people, and there were just too many people on earth. With legalization of The Pill, we had the power to limit growth. The media, our teachers, the government, all told us that not only should we, we MUST, limit growth or our world was doomed. It was all very logical and very civilized.
Yet at the same time, the Western world was pushing the Green Revolution on the developing world and supporting health programs (i.e., vaccinations) because it was the "humane" thing to do.

Developing countries were bootstrapped into the demographic transition too quickly because they gained the benefit of better health (leading to longer life spans) and more access to food (due to the bountiful crop yields of the Green Revolution), but they did not gain the economic and educational development that tend to temper population growth.

For Western countries, this demographic transition occurred over the span of a century, from the expansion of the industrial revolution in the late 19th century, to the development of post-industrial economies in the late 20th century. For the developing world, they've experienced the demographic transition in just a matter of decades, and some countries (i.e., Nigeria, Honduras, etc.) are still in the population boom phase.
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Old 05-16-2017, 07:15 AM   #15
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People become egoistical. Children take too much time on personal time, life, of which -without an eternal afterlife- the price of personal time is too high. All other political factors are secondary, that is why religon based groups will always rise up after the demise of the comfortable societies.
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According to the exit polls, up to 45% of voters who voted for Macron did
so in order to block Le Pen but said they don't support him or his program.
His program, I will remind you, is pro-European Union.

So if we tally up the invalid votes cast, the abstention of 26% and the 45%
who closed their eyes, blocked their noses, and voted for Macron, we find
that only 25% of France actually supports France's most recently crowned
podium donut.
Exactly !

From my limited knowledge , Le Pen is not really Right-wing at all ,
other than wanting to inhibit the invasion of foreigners . While Macron
is little more than a bankers stooge with Goldman Sachs and the
ECB probably owning everything that passes through his rectum .


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France is doomed .

The Venezuela of Europe .
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Portrayed as a reformist version of Hollande, Macron shows no determination
to address the cancer of big government that is undermining the French economy.


Full article here .


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