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Old 11-16-2009, 01:21 PM   #1
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Default MILLION HIT BY 'PLAGUE WORSE THAN SWINE FLU'

MILLION HIT BY 'PLAGUE WORSE THAN SWINE FLU'


Fears that a deadly virus could spread west from Ukraine

Sunday November 15,2009
By Greg Miskiw
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A DEADLY plague could sweep across Europe, doctors fear, after an outbreak of a virus in Ukraine plunged the country and its neighbours into a state of panic.
A cocktail of three flu viruses are reported to have mutated into a single pneumonic plague, which it is believed may be far more dangerous than swine flu. The death toll has reached 189 and more than 1 million people have been infected, most of them in the nine regions of Western Ukraine.
President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko has called in the World Health Organisation and a team of nine specialists are carrying out tests in Kiev and Lviv to identify the virus. Samples have been sent to London for analysis.
President Yushchenko said: “People are dying. The epidemic is killing doctors. This is absolutely inconceivable in the 21st Century.”
In a TV interview, the President added: “Unlike similar epidemics in other countries, three causes of serious viral infections came together simultaneously in Ukraine – two seasonal flus and the Californian flu
“Virologists conclude that this combination of infections may produce an even more aggressive new virus as a result of mutation.”

Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko has been touring hospitals where victims are being treated and presidential elections in January could be cancelled .
Four men and one woman have died from the flu in Lviv, said emergency hospital chief doctor Myron Borysevych. Two of the dead patients were in the 22-35 age group, with two others over 60. He diagnosed the disease as viral pneumonia.
“We have sent the analyses to Kiev. We don’t believe it’s H1N1 swine flu. Neither do we know what kind of pneumonia it is.”

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Universities, schools and kindergartens have been closed, public meetings have been banned and theatres shut. Last week several border crossings in the country were also closed.
Last night reports emerged of profiteering over face masks, which have sold out since the outbreak. There are also incidents of anti-virus medication being sold for exorbitant prices. A spokesman for the World Health Organisation said: “We do not have a time scale for the results of the tests in London, although some preliminary results have been obtained. I cannot tell you what they are.
“We did not have enough of the virus samples so we will have to grow some more before we can come to a conclusive decision about its nature.”
Neighbouring Poland has called on the EU to take action, fearing the mystery virus may spread westwards.
Prime Minister Donald Tusk has written to European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and the Swedish Prime Minister, Fredrik Reinfeldt, who holds the EU presidency, saying: “The character of this threat demands that rapid action be undertaken at the European Union level.”
Russia, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary and Romania, countries that border Ukraine, have already launched health checks on Ukrainians entering their territory.
Slovakia has closed two of five border crossings.
A doctor in Western Ukraine who did not want to be named, said:” We have carried out post mortems on two victims and found their lungs are as black as charcoal.
“They look like they have been burned. It’s terrifying.”


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Old 11-16-2009, 01:47 PM   #2
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When is there a vaccine for this
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Old 11-16-2009, 02:08 PM   #3
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I think this news clip perhaps goes with this.

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Old 11-16-2009, 02:21 PM   #4
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I'm not buying it--if some deadly contagious disease afflicted 1million Ukrainians, it'd be in NYC within a few hours. There are thousands of Ukrainians who fly between NYC and Kiev per day.

As of now, I'm gonna guess it's just H1N1, the same one we have in the U.S.
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Old 11-16-2009, 02:34 PM   #5
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A cocktail of three flu viruses are reported to have mutated into a single pneumonic plague
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President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko has called in the World Health Organisation and a team of nine specialists are carrying out tests in Kiev and Lviv to identify the virus. Samples have been sent to London for analysis.
Unh hunh. First they say it is a cocktail of three viruses, and then in the next sentence they request a team of specialists to identify the virus? I thought it was a cocktail of three viruses?
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Old 11-16-2009, 02:50 PM   #6
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U.S. to donate 930,000 doses of H1N1 vaccine to Ukraine in early December

November 06 at 21:10
"In an effort to stop the global spread of pandemic 2009 H1N1 influenza virus, the United States is planning to donate 10 percent of US domestic H1N1 vaccine supply, as it becomes available, to a WHO-led H1N1 vaccine initiative. The US donation to WHO, equivalent to 25 million doses of vaccine, would be valued commercially at approximately $10 million," the embassy said in a statement.

As part of the first phase of this initiative, Ukraine is scheduled to receive 930, 000 doses of H1N1 vaccine in early December, the embassy said.

"Planning to complement this donation with a broad range of interventions to support the safe delivery and deployment of the vaccines, the US government will be working closely with the government of Ukraine in the days ahead to identify needs and agree on a package of immunization-related commodity and technical support that can be implemented rapidly to support H1N1 immunization," the statement reads.

Besides, the US government is prepared to make available immunization ancillary materials such as syringes, needles, and vaccine safety disposal boxes, to provide technical support for immunization planning as well as for logistics and assistance to transport the vaccine, to train vaccinators and other professionals, and to prepare communications materials in support of the immunization campaign.

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/52093/
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:15 PM   #7
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equivalent to 25 million doses of vaccine, would be valued commercially at approximately $10 million," the embassy said in a statement.

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/52093/

Does someone in Kyiv believe vaccine can be bought for 40 cents per dose?

A previous press release that announced Vaccine Manufacturers plans to donate millions of doses of vaccine had values in the billions of dollars.
For tax purposes I will be interested to findout at what unit price the drug companies deduct their vaccine donations.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:51 PM   #8
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189 deaths by 1 million infected is life as normal ...
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:05 PM   #9
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The YouTube video Sarrah posted is a fantastic story!!
Are there anymore related to it?
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:09 PM   #10
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after our p0rime ministers refusal to have the vax I think we can re-export 40 million doses of vax order to Ukraine
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:22 PM   #11
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Is this for real? It'll obviously spread to here then! Haven't even finished getting the vax for dh and I H1N1, now another one is on the way!
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:37 PM   #12
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No the Ukraine story is not, it's not proven or believable

You can safely put both the author Greg Miskiw, and the express.co.uk on Ignore.

But the video Sarrah posted IS for real.
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:10 PM   #13
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I'm sorry, I watched the video but I am confused about the actual message here.

It takes me right back to the whole conspiracy theory thing, and we jump back and forth so much on this forum that it's hard to keep track lol.

So, what the video is saying is that the vaccine containing squalene adjuvant is going to force the mutation (or create a new virus entirely) that will be deadly enough for the governments to enact martial law in order to carry about with their financial business.

Martial law meaning what? Forcing people to be vaccinated? I'm sorry I am just not registering how this is all related...

(Could be the fact I have slept 6 hours in three days..but that is a story for another thread:P)
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:23 PM   #14
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The story is a lesson on whisper down the lane. Ukraine story translated into english, written about someone in the UK and then translated back into Ukranian, then back into english with a machine translator.

Good grief.
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:36 PM   #15
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189 deaths by 1 million infected is life as normal ...
Tuesday 17/11/09
I just read a report that the death toll was 300
Perhaps the person in the video had an unpaid parking fine?????????????

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Old 11-16-2009, 05:51 PM   #16
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There is another video from another news station about the poor fellow. He apparently got to the Federal building and the gassed and drug him out from there. Never to be seen again. In the words of the TV reporter. At the end of a high speed chase in his Volkswagen.
It is TV though you have to allow for that. Seeing the first one first gives a different impression on hearing the second one. Or it did for me.

I can't find it now when I do I'll post it in here.
I found it at 2:04 my time if that is any help.

I did find this and there are a lot of them popping up. I am just starting to listen to this one and I don't know what all it says.


I've been wending my way through a 4 part TV interview between Ministers. The lady I believe is the health minister from Poland. The man with the mean looks is a minister of some sort. I don't know if it is Poland or the EU. I have to read it all carefully because I don't understand the language. But let me tell you. She seems to be in earnest and he appears annoyed. One thing about no sound. You only get facial expressions. I am part two between doing things here. To me he looks very annoyed.
This is the first part of it.

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Old 11-17-2009, 01:51 AM   #17
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NO

Some folks can't sort out reality from:



This stuff is so far out there. You can readily find the Moshe story on all the BEST conspiracy sites.

The Ukraine did the WORST job of preparing for H1N1 (as if it didn't even exist) and their decrepit, corrupt system couldn't recognize it when it hit, so they started running around as if the sky were falling, and FLUBOLA had finally arrived.

I think the DIOXIN may have gone to Yuschenkos' head, And since when is a SUperModel a candidate for Prime Minister?????



PS:

The video I saw on Joseph Moshe concluded with a neighbor of his: "...he was really a nice fellow, unless he went off his meds."
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But, hey..,

It IS good entertainment.

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Ukranian president a supermodel ?


Noooo !!!! You are much mistaken ... All Ukranian women are supermodels

There is a facebook group with more than 100,000 members titled "Turkish girls leave, Ukranians come !"
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Yup - they have SWINE FLU - period. All numbers I've seen so far are right in line with EVERY OTHER COUNTRY'S numbers. AB nailed it. They didn't prepare. People are pissed. Much easier to deflect criticism by whining about something new & awful.

The only plague ongoing in the Ukraine is rank hysteria & blatant political manipulation.

If they want to get all twitchy & excited - great, have at it. They'd be better off properly addressing pandemic matters.
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Yup - they have SWINE FLU - period. All numbers I've seen so far are right in line with EVERY OTHER COUNTRY'S numbers. AB nailed it. They didn't prepare. People are pissed. Much easier to deflect criticism by whining about something new & awful.

The only plague ongoing in the Ukraine is rank hysteria & blatant political manipulation.

If they want to get all twitchy & excited - great, have at it. They'd be better off properly addressing pandemic matters.
I figured that was the case!
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While the video may be substantially junk from a conspiracy site I think
we should keep an open mind whether this is a more serious
version of influenza .
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I'm not at all dismissing the possibility that we might be seeing a more virulent strain of pH1N1. But here's what I think is far more likely:

The Ukraine for whatever reason(s), was not prepared. No vaccine order, little if any Tamiflu. No masks, gloves, none of the absolute basics. Little or no public education about the illness, what to do or not do. The country has not done well since the world economic troubles hit. Their systems appear to be a mixed mess of old, Soviet style central 'planning' & hit or miss capitalist type ventures. Their health care system, if you can call it that, was a complete mess BEFORE pH1N1. Infrastructure sucks - sanitation systems are failing, public health is a joke & preventative medicine? Hardly. Base state of health & life expectancy is dropping. There's a high smoking rate 7 rate of respiratory illnesses. Folk medicine rules...

The political types dropped the ball big time, using this outbreak as an opportunity to play political games, toss blame around & display their own paranoia & mindless hysteria.

I'm not buying for a minute that we have a superstrain of flu in the Ukraine; a more dangerous one. I think it's a superstrain of grandstanding.
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Anything that differs from the correct news, given by the Networks is tin foil hat.

Thanks for setting me straight.

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NO

Some folks can't sort out reality from:



This stuff is so far out there. You can readily find the Moshe story on all the BEST conspiracy sites.

The Ukraine did the WORST job of preparing for H1N1 (as if it didn't even exist) and their decrepit, corrupt system couldn't recognize it when it hit, so they started running around as if the sky were falling, and FLUBOLA had finally arrived.

I think the DIOXIN may have gone to Yuschenkos' head, And since when is a SUperModel a candidate for Prime Minister?????



PS:

The video I saw on Joseph Moshe concluded with a neighbor of his: "...he was really a nice fellow, unless he went off his meds."
I'm adding this quote. It seems like "I" posted videos from acceptable news sources. While you, hang out in conspiracy sites. Yet my delivery of what I found is tin foil hat and you aren't. Good one.

But then I am very tired and perhaps all the tin foil hat name calling wasn't for me at all and I took it wrong.
I also have no idea in the world what you are talking about super models.
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OK ~ i'm quite unsure about this thread...i might move it to Flu Spec later.

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MILLION HIT BY 'PLAGUE WORSE THAN SWINE FLU'
This is just media confusion so far.

Then there's mr Moshe & the vaccine conspiracy. I watched the first video & i wonder how much of an acceptable news source that was. Some hint of conspiracy there...good thing they threw out the Amero though, i favor the North American Dollar myself.

Please post the Ukraine flu news here:
http://thisbluemarble.com/showthread.php?t=15483
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