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Old 11-27-2009, 01:27 PM   #1
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Arrow H1N1-MRSA Co-infection Deaths

Many of the swine flu deaths appear to have a MRSA component. This thread is specifically to track to spread of this killer co-infection.




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CDC warns of deaths from H1N1 flu + bacterial infections

Over at CIDRAP, my colleague Lisa Schnirring writes tonight about the CDC's concern over increasing numbers of deaths from bacterial pneumonia in people who have come down with H1N1 flu.

We've talked about this before here. Our concern of course has been MRSA, and there is good evidence that there have been fatal MRSA infections in flu victims. But the primary culprit now is not MRSA but pneumococcus (S. pneumoniae):
Anne Schuchat, MD, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters at a press briefing that the CDC is seeing an increasing number of invasive pneumococcal disease cases around the country, but the numbers were particularly high in Denver at a time when pandemic H1N1 activity was peaking in the area.

Over the past 5 years the Denver area averaged 20 pneumococcal disease cases in October, but this year the area recorded 58, and most were in adults between the ages of 20 and 59, many of whom had underlying medical conditions.

Health officials expect to see more pneumococcal disease when seasonal flu circulates, but the infections typically strike people who are older than 65. In past pandemics secondary bacterial pneumonia infections, particularly those involving Streptococcus pneumoniae, frequently contributed to illnesses and deaths.
This is particularly troubling and sad because we have good vaccines for pneumococcus, one for adults and a different one for children. Only, people are not taking them: Uptake is only about 25% in high-risk groups and much lower in the general population, despite urgings from CDC and other health advisory boards.

Perhaps it's not surprising that people have not heeded advice to get the pneumococcus vaccine as a protection against flu's worst effects, given that uptake of the flu vaccine itself has been so low. But if you or someone you love is in a high-risk group, it would be a really good idea to rethink that.

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H1N1, MRSA, & Pneumonia Suspected in Amherst Teen Death


Originally printed at http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/69902877.html

The mother of an Amherst high school teenager who died last week suspects the H1N1 virus in combination with other infections led to her daughter's death.

Fifteen-year-old Chelsea Oliver's mom Cheryl Oliver is a nurse, but her training could not save Chelsea from what Cheryl believes was a deadly combination of infections including influenza, pneumonia and MRSA. "She was full of life, a beautiful girl. She loved singing and drawing, and she had many many friends," says Cheryl Oliver as she shares pictures and memories of her talented daughter. She describes Chelsea as a healthy 15-year-old until a couple of weeks ago.

"She wasn't feeling well one day and it started off as a virus and a few days later she was in the I.C.U.," says Cheryl Oliver.

Chelsea passed away November first. Cheryl is still awaiting final test results but she suspects the flu Chelsea had was H1N1.

"There is some evidence that may indicate in certain individuals if they become infected with the strain of influenza A H1N1 it affects their blood cells in a way that it can paralyze their immune system," explains Babette Wright, a fellow nurse and a friend of Cheryl Oliver. "When they're exposed to other infections their body can't fight them, and this may explain why some individuals without underlying health conditions are becoming so ill with influenza infections," says Wright.

Cheryl Oliver urges other parents to get their children checked out right away if they show flu symptoms.

"If we can help save the life of another child by sharing Chelsea's story then we feel like we've at least done something," says Wright, "That's why Cheryl wanted to come forward and talk about this."

"She was fine one minute and the next minute... The realization that she's not coming back, I still can't grasp that," says Oliver.
Cheryl Oliver is a single mom with two other children so her friends are hosting a benefit to help her with Chelsea's funeral expenses. The benefit is Sunday November 29th from 4:00-9:00 at Bobby McGee's restaurant on Maple Road at Sweet Home in Amherst.

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Wrexham mum's tribute to brave 4-month-old son who lost fight against illness.

A MOTHER from Wrexham has paid a loving tribute to her brave four-month-old son who has died after an incredible fight for life against illness.

Dewi Jones passed away at Alder Hey Children’s Hospital in Liverpool last Friday after battling infections including swine flu and MRSA.

His mum Leanne, of Gwersyllt, described her son as a special baby who will never be forgotten.

Doctors had given the 26-year-old the chance to have an abortion after informing her the youngster would probably not survive the pregnancy....


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Maybe the hemorrhagic flu cases in the Ukraine are the result of MRSA Pneumonia (this is not well documented in the news).


Tenth grader stayed in ICU with H1N1

Fever reached 102 before being taken to ERUpdated: Thursday, 19 Nov 2009, 9:41 AM EST

BUFFALO, N.Y. (WIVB) - Niagara County health officials have confirmed the death of a Niagara-Wheatfield tenth grader from swine flu. The boy had no underlying health problems before the H1N1 virus claimed his life.
Elena Panasyuk, the sister of the teen said, "He was a very timid quiet typical teenager."

It was difficult for her to talk about her little brother just two days after his death. 14-year-old Paul Nichiporuk was hospitalized for over two weeks before he passed away on Monday.

Elena says it wasn't just the H1N1 virus that killed him.

"What really killed him was MRSA, and the power of MRSA and the H1N1...the two powers combined is what hit him," she explained.

Paul's family is from the Ukraine, but his parents tell me that Paul was born here. Pavel and Lydia Nichiporuk became concerned after he had a fever of 102, that just wouldn't go down.

Elena added. "Nowadays the pediatrician with everything they just go, 'come back in 10 days.'"

But Pavel said he couldn't wait and took his son to the ER. He remained in the pediatric ICU at Womens and Childrens Hospital until he died.

Paul was a sophomore at Niagara-Wheatfield high school. Superintendent Carl Militello didn't want to go on camera, but tells News 4 that he received over 70 phone calls from concerned parents today after the district sent out a phone message about Paul's death.

Paul's family is just trying to come to grips with the loss of their youngest child.

"He was the youngest, he was still little...he didn't get the chance to live his life," said Elena.

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Many of the swine flu deaths appear to have a MRSA component. This thread is specifically to track to spread of this killer co-injection.
My dear caonacl...you are overdoing it.

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killer co-injection
or PWI?

It's entirely legitimate to start a thread in Flu Discussion tracking MRSA related deaths among all cases but why go:
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MRSA Killer Bacteriophage
CA-MRSA is a problem that kills but not part of killer virus.

Bacteriophage well...this is the wiki entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriophage

It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic.

This is bad enough if it was part of Super Flu Super Speculation so keep it there.

The Ukraine part...had he been there recently? It doesn't say so , so there's no link. The spin on all Ukraine cases...that's cheap conjecture too.

I think i'll merge this with SFSS later.

Discussion on the same topic starts there around post 290 page 12.
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My dear caonacl...you are overdoing it.



or PWI?

It's entirely legitimate to start a thread in Flu Discussion tracking MRSA related deaths among all cases but why go:


CA-MRSA is a problem that kills but not part of killer virus.

Bacteriophage well...this is the wiki entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriophage

It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic.

This is bad enough if it was part of Super Flu Super Speculation so keep it there.

The Ukraine part...had he been there recently? It doesn't say so , so there's no link. The spin on all Ukraine cases...that's cheap conjecture too.

I think i'll merge this with SFSS later.

Discussion on the same topic starts there around post 290 page 12.
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I meant CO-INFECTION not CO-INJECTION...my apologies. But I object to the narrow definition of bacteriophage. O' sure, there are many who think they can turn a bacteriophage into some kind of medicine...but very ofen these viruses team-up with their bacterial hosts to make an even more nasty pathogen. You are thinking about all this "New-Phage" propoganda, not the reality of how these two pathogens behave in the human body.

Look at this video and ask yourself if it looks healthful.

youtube.com/watch?v=yX7865V-2Bo

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Lysogenic Infections
http://textbookofbacteriology.net/phage_2.html
This POV is discussed more at http://thisbluemarble.com/showthread...297#post171297 beginning at post #284

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Superbugs: H1N1 and MRSA

HEADLINE: Deadly pneumonia caused by superbugs on rise: study
SUMMARY: More cases of deadly pneumonia caused by so-called superbugs such as MRSA are occurring outside hospitals, U.S. researchers warned. While most cases are still associated with hospitals, nursing homes or other health care facilities, infections acquired in the wider community are increasing. "Community-acquired MRSA infections are no longer restricted to certain risk groups or to the geographic areas where outbreaks first occurred," researchers reported in the journal Lancet Infectious Diseases.
STORY LINK: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090519/hl_nm/us_pneumonia_mrsa

ANALYSIS: MRSA and other “superbugs” are not new, are not an understated threat, and are not going away. The superbug’s emergence is a pure case of evolution: Those that are hearty enough to survive the assault of a particular antibiotic either already have or develop a resistance to it. They must then be treated with a different antibiotic, often from a different family of agents. While this evolutionary process occurs naturally, mankind helps the process – to its detriment – by overprescribing, using antibiotics to treat viral diseases, and not completing the full course of treatment. This last factor helped contribute to the emergence of multidrug-resistant tuberculosis (MDR TB) and the (thankfully) rarer extensively drug-resistant tuberculosis (XDR TB).

Individuals would begin taking medicine and in a couple of days start to feel better and stop taking the medicine. Unfortunately, the TB was not gone, only weakened and able to return with resistance to the original treatment.

MRSA pneumonia came to the attention of the CDC during the 2006-2007 flu season, when at least 24 young and healthy people died. We have seen an increase during ensuing flu seasons and the emergence of a rare spring flu – the current H1N1 outbreak – offers the opportunity for this trend to continue. While H1N1 has fallen off the front pages, it has not disappeared. The CDC estimates more than 100,000 Americans may have contracted this flu and the recent death in New York City of an assistant school principal demonstrates a continuing health threat. It is important to recognize that many of the 36,000 annual flu deaths are due to related complications such as pneumonia; scientists believe this was a major factor in the staggering death rate during the 1918-19 pandemic.

There is a corollary here for the flu and the use of antivirals and antibiotics. While entirely different from bacteria, viruses also mutate in response to drugs to which they are exposed. For some influenza strains, antivirals have proven to be less than 50 percent effective. Drug-resistant strains of influenza do evolve. Any antibiotics or antivirals should be taken under the supervision of a healthcare provider and in coordination with guidance of local public health authorities. This also underscores the need for continuing preparedness and the maintenance of everyday precautions such as hand washing.

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Gee, but the YouTube vid won't play at the request of YouTube or the author..,

Can you give us the link. (Only if you really want us to view it that is..,)
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Gee, but the YouTube vid won't play at the request of YouTube or the author..,

Can you give us the link. (Only if you really want us to view it that is..,)
I don't understand why it's doing that. Try opening the link in your quotes. or see


youtube.com/watch?v=yX7865V-2Bo

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Finally got the vid to play..,

Nice little animation and not bad for a grade school visualation of some cellular biology, but hardly germane to H1N1 and MRSA co-infection..,

Super, super, super speculation.


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Finally got the vid to play..,

Nice little animation and not bad for a grade school visualation of some cellular biology, but hardly germane to H1N1 and MRSA co-infection..,

Super, super, super speculation.


Wanna start another new thread?
The purpose of this thread is to track the deaths resutling from h1n1 Co-infections. The cases posted pertain to actual deaths. I'm speculating in the other thread.
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Twilight Zone..,

A landscape of changing signposts..,

A little late to begin that tally, isn't it? And how do you propose we identify MRSA cases concurrent with H1N1 infection? Mainstream medai hardly give us an accrate view of that. The CDC might be doing this, but certainly in their "secret data bases..,"
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Twilight Zone..,

A landscape of changing signposts..,

A little late to begin that tally, isn't it? And how do you propose we identify MRSA cases concurrent with H1N1 infection? Mainstream medai hardly give us an accrate view of that. The CDC might be doing this, but certainly in their "secret data bases..,"
Why don't you tell that to the CDC. They revised the h1n1 deaths once and they (the CDC) are devoting a lot of new attention on H1N1-MRSA monitoring.....you just haven't noticed.
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Polk Coroner: H1N1 Deaths Understated

Medical Examiner Says He's Autopsied Undiagnosed PatientsUPDATED: 7:39 am CST November 20, 2009

DES MOINES, Iowa -- Iowa has officially recorded 21 H1N1 deaths, including seven in Polk County alone. But the county's medical examiner said he has performed autopsies on some residents who were never diagnosed with H1N1, but actually had it.

"In the autopsy, what we're seeing is very heavy, wet hemorrhagic lungs, lungs with a lot of blood in them," said Dr. Gregory Schmunk.

He said the official count of seven H1N1 deaths is inaccurate, but patient rights laws prohibit him from giving specific numbers.

He said there are two reasons for the discrepancy. First, not all sick patients get tests and second, the virus is difficult to detect. Some patients may be too sick to receive the most accurate H1N1 test.

"They're not always done and it can be hazardous to the patient if they're in a respiratory critical situation," Schmunk said.

He also said that some tests reveal a false negative.

"Because of our limitations on testing, sometimes the tests aren't positive," he said. "They do appear to fit clinically the course of a H1N1 viral-type pneumonia."

He said the cases he's seen in Polk County were all middle-aged adults with a few underlying health conditions.

"These may be the patients that are obese," Schmunk said. "Obesity restricts your ability to breathe and clear the virus from your upper respiratory."

He also said that some of the patients had diabetes.

Schmunk said his urging people to get the vaccine.

"The thing that concerns me the most is, you still have people out there they believe that if I get the vaccine, the shot, then I'm going to get the flu," he said. "You can't get the flu from the shot."

He said that in the meantime, remember to wash your hands, sneeze into your sleeve and stay home if you're sick. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said one person who goes to work sick with the virus will infect 10 percent of his or her co-workers.

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The purpose of this thread is to track the deaths resutling from h1n1 Co-infections. The cases posted pertain to actual deaths. I'm speculating in the other thread.
Well the Ukraine part is pure speculation, some articles refer to S. Pneumonia which isn't MRSA.

The bacteriaphage thing is irrelevant...(MR)SA readily lives in mucuous membrane so it's close to the action in a flu infection. There's no other interaction required between influenza & S. Aureus.

Tracking this subset of cases is OK but it's not something primarily for Flu Spec, after all what's there to speculate?

Oh well , at least the thread title improved a lot since yesterday.
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Well the Ukraine part is pure speculation, some articles refer to S. Pneumonia which isn't MRSA.

The bacteriaphage thing is irrelevant...(MR)SA readily lives in mucuous membrane so it's close to the action in a flu infection. There's no other interaction required between influenza & S. Aureus.

Tracking this subset of cases is OK but it's not something primarily for Flu Spec, after all what's there to speculate?

Oh well , at least the thread title improved a lot since yesterday.
Ok - Ok I'll change it; I'll change it all! Then it can be moved to Flu Discussion.
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Third Swine Flu Death in Slovenia

Slovenj Gradec, 29 November (STA) - A 42-year-old man infected with the H1N1 virus died in the Slovenj Gradec hospital on Saturday. The patient, who is the third swine flu victim in Slovenia, reportedly died as a result of serious bacterial pneumonia and sepsis.

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Something to keep in mind

Humans, pets may pass MRSA to each other
November 3, 2009
By JEANNE MILLSAP For Sun-Times Media
An elephant calf was put to sleep last year at the San Diego Zoo after it was reportedly infected with MRSA by one of its keepers.

At first, handlers couldn't figure out why the young animal was having so much trouble. When MRSA was diagnosed, the zoo staff was tested and several were found to be carrying the dangerous bacteria.

Households with cats are eight times as likely to have MRSA as homes without cats, according to researchers.

New studies have found that humans can pass MRSA -- methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus -- along to animals, including their pets. And pets can pass it to humans. It can develop into a cycle where pets and their owners can actually pass the bacteria back and forth to each other....

And now MRSA has spread to the general population. For decades, the germ was found almost exclusively in humans, but in the past few years it has been found in cats, dogs, birds, horses, pigs, rabbits, and rodents, causing a growing problem for veterinarians.

MRSA got an early start in therapy dogs, which picked it up from health-care environments, or patients.

Doctors think, however, that most pets that test positive for it have picked it up from their human owners.

Harboring bacteria
"MRSA can stay on the skin for long periods of time without causing any illness," Bolanos explained. "Humans and presumably pets can contract it from people or the environment and harbor it for weeks or months."


...Cats' behavior
Bolanos also theorized cats' behavior might have something to do with the MRSA findings.

"Cats are up on surfaces more than other pets are," he said.

It's not something to worry about right now, though, he said.

"It is rare when a person gets sick from their pets," he said. "I wouldn't worry about getting routine testing. Testing on pets can be done if a patient has MRSA, it goes way, then it keeps coming back."

Bolanos has recommendations on avoiding pet-borne illnesses. First, he said, after cleaning a litter box or handling waste, wash hands thoroughly. Wash the site immediately if you have been bitten or scratched by a pet. If it is a deep puncture wound, see a doctor right away.

And it won't do you or your pet any good to let him lick you in the face. No eating off the same utensil, either.

Good, routine household cleaning helps prevent disease from passing back and forth, too, he said, and remember not to demand an antibiotic if your doctor says it won't do any good for your particular illness.
That's the way MRSA got started in the first place.
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Cat in Oregon succumbs to H1N1 pneumonia
Submitted by Kathleen Blanchard RN on Nov 21st, 2009

A ten year old tabby cat in Oregon has reportedly succumbed to H1N1 influenza as the result of pneumonia. One individual in the household had the flu, and one week later the cat developed symptoms of sneezing and coughing....

Lebanon Animal Clinic knew they were not dealing with a normal upper respiratory infection from the way the cat was breathing – he was working hard. The tabby cat’s chest x-ray showed fluid accumulation high in the lungs. Normally, pneumonia infiltrates appear at the base of the lungs.

The cat failed to respond to oxygen and antibiotics, and died four days after he arrived at the veterinary clinic. Fluid build-up in the cat’s lungs became so severe it obscured his heart.....

Several other cats in the Oregon household also became ill, and one cat began showing the same type of chest x-ray findings at Buddy Lou. All of the other animals recovered, and do not appear to have been infected with the H1N1 virus, though confirmation is pending. Birds and pigs can contract H1N1 flu. No one knows if dogs can get H1N1 flu yet.

Passing H1N1 influenza from humans to pets is a rarity, but cats can indeed become infected with the virus. So far, four ferrets in Oregon have become ill from H1N1, and one ferret in Nebraska has died. Buddy Lou, a ten year old tabby cat in Oregon is the first cat to die from H1N1 pneumonia that did not respond to the usual treatment.

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I've been checking for an uptake in h1n1 in South Africa because of the article below, but I still only see reports on TB deaths. Seems kinda strange...

TB remains SA’s No 1 killer with no sign of letting up

2009/11/16
Yolandé Stander WEEKEND POST REPORTER

DESPITE about R2-billion being spent on controlling tuberculosis in South Africa, the curable disease is still the biggest killer of the country’s citizens with some 60000 confirmed cases in the Eastern Cape alone currently.

This is according to the latest census statistics released by Statistics SA based on information gathered between 2000 and 2005, although experts say the picture today is not much different.....

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I've been checking for an uptake in h1n1 in South Africa because of the article below, but I still only see reports on TB deaths. Seems kinda strange...
Not really that strange..,

The Southern Hemisphere is OUT of Flu Season now. And that seems to include H1N1 season..,
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Not really that strange..,

The Southern Hemisphere is OUT of Flu Season now. And that seems to include H1N1 season..,
I thought the whole idea of pandemic flu is that it occurs outside of flu season.
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Old 11-30-2009, 11:22 PM   #24
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Not necessarily - more often it's seen at the outlying ends of flu season.
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I thought the whole idea of pandemic flu is that it occurs outside of flu season.
PAN - throughtout the pan-theon, akin to global..,
DEMIC - short for epi-demic..,

Says nothing about WHEN is happens in the course of a year..,

Yet, the H1N1 has waned in the southern hemisphere. E.g., Australia, New Zealand, South America. Sporadic cases, yet no widespread disease.
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