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Old 11-30-2014, 12:47 PM   #1
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Default Eight Pitfalls in Evaluating Green Energy Solutions

Excellent article.

http://ourfiniteworld.com/2014/11/18...ns/#more-39396

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Pitfall 3. High-cost energy sources are the opposite of the “gift that keeps on giving.” Instead, they often represent the “subsidy that keeps on taking.”

... When we attempt to add new higher-cost sources of energy, whether they are high-cost oil or high-cost renewables, they present a drag on the economy for three reasons:

Consumers tend to cut back on discretionary expenditures, because energy products (including food, which is made using oil and other energy products) are a necessity. These cutbacks feed back through the economy and lead to layoffs in discretionary sectors. If they are severe enough, they can lead to debt defaults as well, because laid-off workers have difficulty paying their bills.
An economy with high-priced sources of energy becomes less competitive in the world economy, competing with countries using less expensive sources of fuel. This tends to lead to lower employment in countries whose mix of energy is weighted toward high-priced fuels.

With (1) and (2) happening, economic growth slows. ...

Pitfall 4. Green technology (including renewables) can only be add-ons to the fossil fuel system.
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It has been the warmest year on record in every continent for 150 years of record keeping. October being the hottest.

Even if November might be the coldest on record in the States.

The world is changing. Solutions will need to change according to the weather.

Though many refuse to believe, climate change is here to stay. We tipped the balance.
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When I say I know people in the forefront of the field, they are years ahead of anyone else.

Get used to it. We are in trouble, even the UN knows it.

It is why I'm on the West Coast and not in Jersey.
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Though many refuse to believe, climate change is here to stay.
Well, that is a tautology, since climate changes by definition. If you mean that global warming is here to stay, it appears that you are correct, and have been since 1860, the end of the Little Ice Age. The questions are how long that stay will be, and how much things will warm up, and, especially, whether it is simply a natural phenomenon, like the decades of very cold weather that preceded it.

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We tipped the balance.
Ah, now, did we? Do the data prove that? One has a hard time showing correlation, much less causation, in the data we have.

Are the data even accurate? One can argue that they are very much not, and that the extensive "corrections" used to make up for things like sensor drift, heat island effect, and cetera, amount to distortion and cherry-picking, at best, and frank prevarication at worst.

Do the models, used to demonstrate what a great deal of trouble we are about to be in, appear to have any consistent relationship to reality? They do not. There is very little evidence that "we tipped the balance", IMHO.
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Indeed. Climate is always changing. Claiming that carbon dioxide, CO2, has any effect on climate is a lost cause.

The Greenhouse Equation predicts temperatures within 0.28°C throughout entire troposphere without radiative forcing from greenhouse gases

The weather forecast for most of the UK is freezing and below for tomorrow morning. Not exactly normal for this time of the year, at least not recently.

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