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Old 02-13-2016, 08:03 AM   #1
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Default global Conflict preparedness

We have discussed prep for a virus but what about a global conflict? Russia thinks we are in a cold war situation, economic markets are stumbling. The world seems to be heading down a difficult path.

What if we slid into a World War 3 type situation?
what would you prep for differently and why?
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WWIII is going to be WAY different than a cold war situation. WWIII could be over in 10 minutes.
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Could be but I suspect we will go old skool for awhile before the bombs go off.
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In that case, prep for an increase in terrorism and cybercrime, leading to an economic Armageddon, followed by biological or chemical warfare, strategic strikes on military, communications, and industrial targets, then population centers. But mix around in response to whatever we're doing to them and to keep us off our feet.
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Old 02-13-2016, 11:37 AM   #5
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Living within 500 metres of RAF Lakenheath I think I would be one of the first to evaporate. Regards N
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I back onto Sandhurst Military Academy, so I will be next in line.
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Old 02-13-2016, 12:56 PM   #7
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And I'm not quite 6 miles from a major US target, so if I'm not vaporized instantly, I'll die pretty quickly of trauma/radiation/whatever.

Come to think of it, the whole I-95 corridor from Boston to Richmond will probably be radioactive glass.
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*yawn*

This is so much like the Bird Flu in 2004, first spotted in Erzurum, Turkey. Now the epicenter is 200km southwest.
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Old 02-13-2016, 03:37 PM   #9
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Colorado has all manner of military stuff; byyyee. Lol.

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*yawn*

This is so much like the Bird Flu in 2004, first spotted in Erzurum, Turkey. Now the epicenter is 200km southwest.
Already had two world wars and the Cold War came way too close to nuclear Armageddon. Nothing stopping our species from self-annihilation.

Heck, North Korea is fixing to start a ruckus.
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WWI killed a lot of soldiers in a very small area of the world. WWII was much more severe and widespread and had a great effect on civilians, but they had nowhere near the level of weaponry we have now. MAD kept the Cold War from going hot... there were only two players and if one hit they'd insure their own destruction in return. Now, we have a lot of independent players with lunatic apocalyptic ideologies and the technological ability to inflict massive damage anonymously. There will be no hiding under the desk if this blossoms into WWIII. Even if you took to the wilderness or the high seas, so will several million other refugees.
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Floubug, thats kinda what I'm getting at how do we prepare for a war that will be sporadic and on our door step. Not the IRA or ISIS type terror but a sustained country against country type war.
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The first thing you need to decide is, what is your role in this war? Are you going to run? Are you going to fight? Are you going to provide support (work in a factory, grow food, care for the very young, the elderly, the disabled, those injured by hostilities)? Do you think you'll have a choice? During WWII families were separated and everyone had a job to do - and a lot of it was at the dictates of your government. You can stock up but in many countries hoarding was prohibited and if you were found with a prepper's stash it was confiscated and you were given fines and extra duties for being unpatriotic.
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I think FB's comments are pretty close to what might happen. However, a lot depends on which and how many theaters are involved. You could game out all kinds of scenarios, but there are so many variables involved that it's almost impossible to predict what life would be like during WWIII. At this point, I don't think we'll see the doomsday scenario of an all-out exchange of nuclear missiles - unless one side reaches a point of sheer desperation. I do think it's likely that there will be WMD exchanges in theater, such as Israel and Iran.

Europe, the Med, the Korean Peninsula, East Asia, West Asia, and SE Asia are the most likely to have actual air and ground combat, although it would depend on what China does. At a minimum, they'd certainly take advantage of the opportunity to take over all the disputed islands in the South China Sea. North America might see air or ground attacks from forces in Central and South America and possibly from Russia in the NW. It would definitely see strategic bombing. I'd also expect proxy wars in sub-Saharan Africa, Central/South America and the Indian area.

Depending on where the actual fighting is, and who is involved, I think Australia is actually the most likely to see significant WMD attacks, even if it tried to remain neutral (which is unlikely given mutual ties with the UK and the US). The reason is simply for the fact that neither Russia or China has the ability to project significant military power in that part of the world. Aside from things like cyber attacks and sabotage, the only way they have to reach out and seriously touch Australia is by using missiles.

But, even if it doesn't go nuclear on a global level, it's probable that there would be theater level nukes on all continents. They'd be relatively small and target very specific strategic assets. And, despite the fact that no one is supposed to have stockpiles of chemical or biological agents, I would expect to see both used to some degree, not just on military assets but also on the home fronts.

But, these days, you don't have to bomb a country in order to create chaos and destruction. I'd expect cyber attacks and sabotage by embedded cells designed to cripple infrastructure, such as communication, utilities, and transportation. So I'd look at having alternatives on hand to deal with the loss of those services.

Even if your bank manages to stay open when the world economy crashes, you would likely have limited access to your money, if any at all. The same goes for your employer, if you still even have a job. That's assuming that currency has any value, which it probably won't. Still, it wouldn't hurt to have some money tucked under your mattress. But PMs will still have value so it would be good to have some on hand, in one form or another. But people can't eat gold, so be prepared for a barter market. You can stock up on trade goods but having skills to trade for goods, or other skills, is even better. You'll run out of trade goods, but your skills won't go away.

Any disruption in transportation will hit the food supply hard and fast. It will be difficult for food grown and harvested in-country to be processed or distributed in quantity or in a timely manner. And, these days, no Western navy has ships to spare for convoy escort duties. So there won't be much food exported or imported. Stockpiling food is important of course, but being able to grow your own is equally important. That means seeds and tools to plant, harvest and preserve your food, as well as knowing how to use and do those things.

Self-defense and protection of what assets you do have is going to be critical. But the means and methods of that will vary greatly from one country to another. So I won't even attempt to address that specifically.

Health care will also be hit hard. Staff shortages, lack of supplies and power, and the loss of transportation for both staff and patients will mean no more quick trips to the doctor. A lot of long-term maintenance medications and supplies will not be available. So you'd need alternatives to those, if possible, and to be able to cope with many medical issues on your own. Having or making supplies is going to be critical, but even more important is having a knowledge base.

And that brings up a very important point. Having a stockpile of things is good and important. But preparedness also means having a knowledge base and skill set that allows you to survive in a totally different environment than what we're used to. Low-tech skills will be important, and having knowledge, training, or experience in a variety of subjects will be invaluable.

But no one person, or even one family, can know, have or do everything on their own. So another crucial part of preparedness is to develop a network of people who you can depend on for mutual cooperation. That should be done now, before the actual need for it arises. It doesn't have to be a "preppers group" although fostering preparedness in your network is a good idea. It just needs to be a group that offers a diverse set of assets, knowledge and skills who are willing to work cooperatively now and after the SHTF.

At this point, our preparedness plans have changed a little bit. We're investing more of our disposable income in buying some specific things that will increase our level of self-sufficiency. The way things are going, buying extra supplies for the bees, and building and storing a reliable source of potable water will give us a better return on our money than letting it sit in a bank. We've rearranged our priority list and we'll have certain things get done sooner rather than later. And we're actively working on several ways of getting DS and the grandson here safely.

We've also increased the time we spend on staying informed on what is really happening in the world, and not just what the media tells us about. WWIII won't happen without warning so the trick is to look for little items of information that, by themselves, may seem unimportant but when put together, provide the bigger picture. That's one thing that this forum is good for.

But life goes on. We can't live in a state of heightened preparedness 24/7 indefinitely. Instead, we try to incorporate small pieces of it into our daily lives so that it's just another part of a normal day and week and month. Doing otherwise just leads to unnecessary stress which, in the long run, has a negative impact on being prepared, and on the quality of life in the present.
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First rule of war: cut off communications. I'd look for EMP's to disable communications and navigation. After that, its all down hill without shooting a single bullet.
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If nukes fly, and your preparedness strategy is to die, be informed that people survived within 1.5mi of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

What is your strategy now?
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WWI then a new flu starts playing at being a plague.
Potentially WWIII and o look we have a new bug wanting to be a plague.
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There won't be a war. Within 10 minutes of a threat our Dear Leader will apologize and turn over the keys.
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https://youtu.be/u9hlqXUd_tU food for thought.

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Catbird covered the ground pretty thoroughly so I am just going to make a few rambling points.

The general problem with all discussions of "the way it's going to be" of which World War Three is one of the main topics are the assumptions each of us take into the experience. Usually these are also unspoken which is why everyone seems to be all over the map in their responses.

I am of the belief that the large scale general exchange nuclear scenarios of the nineteen fifties through seventies are very unlikely to happen now. Simply put only the United States and the Soviet Union had enough deliverable nuclear warheads to attempt such a thing. Treaties between the two have since removed many of those. I'm not saying that each nation does not have enough on hand still (on paper anyway) to thoroughly ruin each other, but not as we did decades ago.

No, I believe a WWIII scenario will see only a limited use of nuclear warheads. This means either completely confining them to tactical use (zapping an armored brigade type of thing) or a limited strategic use by a desperate opponent who fears they are about to lose big and wants to take their enemies to Hell with them. The novel War Day by Streiber and Kunetaka dealt with that. Limited use of nuclear weapons, but still producing wide spread and long lasting damage and effects.

UNLESS the use is strictly limited to tactical applications those of us in the technologically advanced nations should expect to receive Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP) attacks which will likely take our centralized grid power and do severe damage to electronic telecommunications. How widespread the EMP will be however depends on who the opponent is. The "one bomb in space over Omaha blankets the entire nation" EMP attack of the Cold War is not a simple task. It requires not only a hydrogen (fusion) weapon that can be made small enough to mount in a missile capable of achieving orbit, but the space program capable of building that missile. Only a few nuclear capable nations have that capacity. "Simple" fission weapons which most of the "nuclear club" are limited to won't get the job done. Which is not to say smaller, multiple EMP bursts cannot be used, but a combined attack like that is not easy to successfully pull off.

Of all the World War Three scenario books I have read to date Dean Ing's Systemic Shock from way back in 1981 is still the one I find to be most likely. It can easily be updated to the Twenty Teens of today. Limited use of nuclear weapons, some limited, but very scary use of bio-weapons, and lots and lots of covert operations before things get so bad that large scale overt military operations happened. Civilians found themselves severely and immediately impacted in some geographic areas, relatively unaffected in others.

If I were to write that story today you would see a good deal of cyberoperations just as we are already seeing right now. Some would be subtle (espionage), while others would be overt (crashing electrical grids, telecommunications, financial sector, and others). Fairly cheap to pull off, difficult to prove who did it, and most nations are going to be reluctant to respond with direct military action against the aggressors, just as we are already seeing right now.

As the world begins to go up the escalator the navies and air forces of the world are going to be busy. Control of the sea and air lanes means control of much global commerce. Covert, special ops are also going to be used heavily. Large scale troop movements probably will not occur until the very end if they happen at all. We're not going to see a lot of tank battles, artillery duels, or mass infantry attacks. Small-scale use of one neighbor against another perhaps, but I don't think we'll see another Normandy Invasion.

Also next up after cyberoperations begin in earnest will be satellite warfare. We're going to see all sorts of interesting, fascinating satellite attacks and defense because so much of modern twenty first century military technology depends on them. Given our likely opponents they are going to eliminate satellite communications, command and control fairly early on as it will hurt us with our longer lines of communication than them. Our military and every other technologically advanced military knows this so we'll see a sudden explosion of alternate communications technologies. The programs that Google, Facebook and others are developing to help bring the Internet to the undeveloped world can be used for military purposes as well as ordering from Amazon.

The next step up the escalator from that is when it really goes from the frying pan into the fire. Hard to say what that will be because it depends on who our opponents are and what capabilities they will still have by that point. If they fear they are about to lose big they may just decide to take their enemies with them which is when the nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons will come out.

For us civilians what I think all of this will mean are these:

#1 - The electrical power grid will come under attack early on. First from cyber-attack, then possibly covert ops teams who may already be in country right now, and finally wide-scale EMP attack. If losing the power grid for extended periods (days, weeks, maybe months) can seriously hurt you then start thinking about how to mitigate that risk.

#2 - Telecommunications of all kinds - Internet, telephone, financial, and what not are also going to come under attack early on. Even when they do work you can expect ALL news to be suspect. ALL true, factual information will be heavily shielded by a bodyguard of lies put out by everyone. It's going to be a lot worse than we have it today.

Presuming the EMP attacks have not yet occurred it will always be a good idea to have as many ways to collect information as you can manage. Good old shortwave radios can be invaluable. You may have to be secretive about letting anyone know you have one though. I can see scenarios that even here in the United States you might draw unwanted official scrutiny. Many other nations will be worse still. Also, think carefully of your financial position if banking telecommunications are disrupted. Cash Money is King. I am not saying close your bank accounts. We still have to exist in the present modern day world after all, but don't be so dependent on digital cash that its sudden disappearance threatens your literal survival.

#3 - This is where the nitty-gritty of the precise scenario becomes important. The more extraordinary the emergency the more extraordinary the power becomes of the authorities tasked with responding to the said emergency. Pay attention, be ready to respond quickly, have more than one contingency plan because the worse it gets the less important in the greater scheme of things your life, liberty, and property becomes.

The powers-that-be may violate your rights in some way or other as they deal with the emergency. Maybe even in such a way that you could win against them in court, the public press, the United Nations, or whatever. But if so, you will do this AFTER THE FACT. Which may be a long time in coming if ever it arrives at all. Your best defense will be an agile mind and multiple contingency plans. Be flexible and ready to roll with changing circumstances while remaining as true as you can to your core values (whatever those may be).

#4 - If your everyday supplies (food, medicine, other essentials) comes to you over great distances then you had better start thinking now of how to cope should long-haul transport fail. Maybe this will mean stockpiling (where possible), finding alternative local sources, or whatever. Only the individual can really know because circumstances vary widely. I will miss my Irish whiskey, but moonshine is made where ever there are fermentable carbohydrates.

Pay attention, be flexible, keep an agile mind, make multiple contingency plans. There is no absolute security, but do those and you will be as well prepared as most anyone can be.
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The "one bomb in space over Omaha blankets the entire nation" EMP attack of the Cold War is not a simple task.
It doesn't have to be one big boom. Coordinated attacks from boats situated outside of major cities is much simpler. In 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.... there goes Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, NYC, Philly, DC, Norfolk, Savannah, Jacksonville, Miami, Key West, Tampa, Mobile, New Orleans, Memphis, Houston, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle... Just about every major city in the country is on a navigable waterway.

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Telecommunications of all kinds - Internet, telephone, financial, and what not are also going to come under attack early on.
I'm torn on this one. On one hand I know the great lengths telecoms go to protect themselves. The people working for these companies are not to be messed with. But the management... well, if you think US politics is bad it is nothing compared with the dunderheaded moves of managers in these companies.

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For us civilians what I think all of this will mean are these:

#1 - The electrical power grid will come under attack early on. First from cyber-attack, then possibly covert ops teams who may already be in country right now, and finally wide-scale EMP attack. If losing the power grid for extended periods (days, weeks, maybe months) can seriously hurt you then start thinking about how to mitigate that risk.

#2 - Telecommunications of all kinds - Internet, telephone, financial, and what not are also going to come under attack early on. Even when they do work you can expect ALL news to be suspect. ALL true, factual information will be heavily shielded by a bodyguard of lies put out by everyone. It's going to be a lot worse than we have it today.

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The guys I work and deal with who have upper level clearances sound pretty jittery when we talk about the critical infrastructure, but from what I am allowed to know and otherwise glean, there are tremendous pushes being made right now with a real sense of urgency and get it done attitude that seems like an almost new way
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It doesn't have to be one big boom. Coordinated attacks from boats situated outside of major cities is much simpler. In 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.... there goes Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, NYC, Philly, DC, Norfolk, Savannah, Jacksonville, Miami, Key West, Tampa, Mobile, New Orleans, Memphis, Houston, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle... Just about every major city in the country is on a navigable waterway.
The more attacks that have to be launched the greater the chance of them going wrong and the greater the chance of them discovered before they can begin. I was speaking of an orbital EMP attack. Unless the detonation occurs at a pretty high altitude the electromagnetic pulse is not much greater than the blast area.

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I'm torn on this one. On one hand I know the great lengths telecoms go to protect themselves. The people working for these companies are not to be messed with. But the management... well, if you think US politics is bad it is nothing compared with the dunderheaded moves of managers in these companies.
We don't know what our opponents may be capable of in these areas. Just as I suspect they probably don't know what we are capable of in return. The smart operative will keep his capabilities secret for as long as possible. It absolutely will not do to let your opponent figure out how much you've really penetrated their systems. This makes as many redundant backups as possible the prudent thing to do.

We had better be prepared for ugly surprises. If they don't come then all the better. If they do come we were at least expecting them.

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The guys I work and deal with who have upper level clearances sound pretty jittery when we talk about the critical infrastructure, but from what I am allowed to know and otherwise glean, there are tremendous pushes being made right now with a real sense of urgency and get it done attitude that seems like an almost new way
I HOPE SO!

If this stuff can occur to a nobody such as myself then it should long ago occurred to the folks who are supposed to know this stuff. None of this is new. It's been talked about since before I got access to the Internet back in the mid-nineties.

Especially satellite defense and backup contingency plans. They are a serious weak point for our military.
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WW3 will be very different. We may be in it now, if last summers reports are true that 60 million people (NY Times estimate) are fleeing the destabilization of multi-country regions of Africa, many of them hoping to move to the safety of Europe.

What is a world war but disruption of multiple nations-states. Planes from several nations are being bombed. Paris explosion by people who came in via claiming to be refugees. Add a small dirty nuke home made from recently stolen fuel, set off by suicide bombers, who would you hit back?

We are used to thinking in terms of nation states, but the next war might be against people who don't think that concept.
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The guys I work and deal with who have upper level clearances sound pretty jittery when we talk about the critical infrastructure, but from what I am allowed to know and otherwise glean, there are tremendous pushes being made right now with a real sense of urgency and get it done attitude that seems like an almost new way
Not only would they be jittery about intentional attacks, but with what we've been learning these last ten years or so there is (or should be, anyway) a very real concern about natural electromagnetic pulses, a la the direct hit from a strong coronal mass projection.

No war necessary at all. Just a small, but still very real, chance of a randomly occurring global electromagnetic pulse turning the power off to our increasingly electronic world.
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That rather goes with my opinion that we're already experiencing WWIII. It's being fought on the Internet. How major cities grids aren't going down yet, I have no idea!
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