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Old 04-17-2017, 07:54 AM   #1
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Default The civilization of democracy and human values

Over the last 200 years, Western colonial empires learned almost everything related to forming, governing and destroying a state. Up until the eruption of World War I, almost all non-Western elements in the world were defeated and subjugated. Moreover, the colonial empires also managed to bring down the belief systems that were derived from the history, culture and religion in the Islamic world in general and the Ottoman Empire in particular.

Founded under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, the Republic of Turkey set off with the aim of being a democratic, free and secular state. After 80 years of political struggle, Turkey in the last decade took significant steps in the fields of democratization, rule of law and human rights. In the modern era, democracy is the leading value that has been supported by Western states. As citizens of Turkey, we always believed that by pursuing Western values, operating in the democratic system and defending the rule of law, we could establish a first-class democratic state that would also be recognized and respected by Western states. The litmus test for this has been the Turkey's application to become a member of European Union, which goes back as far as 1958. The application has always been kept at a waiting status along with Portugal and Greece, on the terms of insufficent economic prosperity but as soon as the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, many nations in bankrupt status both economically and politically were given instant membership status.

Yet, we now see for sure that most Western states still aim to colonize under the veil of democracy. For those states, the vital point is not democracy per se, but their own "national," in fact colonial, interests. Ten years ago, Western states were criticized for practicing double standards in terms of democracy against the non-Western world. Today, few from the Islamic world raise such an accusation, as almost everybody is sure that the issues of human rights and democracy have no substantial place in the mindset of the Western ruling elite.

The principal achievement of the Western world has been the establishment of democracy and rule of law in their own homelands. For the non-Western world, however, they never had such a goal. Countries in Latin America, Africa, Asia and the Middle East have always been rendered controllable for the continuation of the colonial process albeit in new forms.

After the Arab Spring, the military in Egypt forcefully seized political power through a bloody coup. As a people that have long-suffered from military interventions, Turkey harshly criticized the rising militarism in Egypt. Western powers preferred to side with the Egyptian militarism, rather than defending the democratically elected government. This was clearly a contradiction and an inconsistency proving that the Western states have lost their moral supremacy for good. Their material interests and colonial expectations get the upper hand over their discourse of democracy and rule of law.

On July 15, a particular group, which had settled in various state institutions for 40 years in Turkey, holds a kind of messianic claim in Islam and curiously resembles the Knights Templar of the Middle Ages, Qadiani in India or the present day DAESH, attempted a bloody coup in which unarmed civilians were murdered mercilessly. On this tragic day, we witnessed not only their assault on Parliament, the police and almost every civilian institution, but also the courage of the Turkish people to challenge arms and tanks on an unprecedented scale and manner.

After the defeat of the coup by the collective force of the people, the majority of Western states seem to be discontented in the face of the victory of democracy against militarism in Turkey. As the mastermind of the failed coup, Fethullah Gülen openly threatened the Turkish people in his writings that were being published in the West's most respected newspapers.

The Western media knew the danger of DAESH as a source of global terrorism, but they do still not grasp its foundational resources and future goals. Just like DAESH, the terrorist organization of Gülen abuses religion to gain money, recruits and influence. What's worse, no one within the grassroots of that organization knows the true motives of Gülen. Thousands of people within that organization lost their individual wills, let alone their natural loyalty to their homeland, through advanced psychological and espionage techniques and have thus become political suicide bombers. As Turks, we now realize the magnitude of the given trouble through the failed coup.

These people are organized in almost every country in the world, including the United States. As nobody knows their true goals and their short- and long-term missions, the given terrorist group constitutes a significant threat not only to Turkey, but also for the world as a whole. Their genuine motives are craftily hidden behind their discourse of moderate Islam. Therefore, if Western states refuse to grasp the threat posed by that terrorist organization not only for Turkish democracy, but also for the future of democracy in the world as a whole, then their moral supremacy is gone for good.

So in essence, the collapse of the Soviet Empire needed another enemy and West has replaced communism with Islam to keep their crowds in control and keep the war machine well oiled. That is a long term strategy and giving its fruits today. Executed by the greatest democracies and human value defenders of the globe.
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Old 04-17-2017, 08:36 AM   #2
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Oooops , did we accidentally skip over extermination of the Turkish Christian
population . Meh , it is easy to forget the occasional one or two million
victims when you are a member of a modern civilized secular State .







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Oooops , did we accidentally skip over extermination of the Turkish Christian
population . Meh , it is easy to forget the occasional one or two million
victims when you are a member of a modern civilized secular State .







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It's illegal for Turkish people to talk about these things.

Was one hundred years ago though..
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Old 04-17-2017, 10:28 AM   #4
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Hah, usual tactics ...

Does not undermine anything I write here. Every bomb you drop on a civilian half way around the globe TODAY counts on your side, and the patent of crucifixing belongs to your civilization.
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Old 04-17-2017, 12:56 PM   #5
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Hah, usual tactics ...

Does not undermine anything I write here. Every bomb you drop on a civilian half way around the globe TODAY counts on your side, and the patent of crucifixing belongs to your civilization.
Well, I suppose that the 'west' could simply ignore every situation where innocents were being killed, exterminated and then face being called insensitive, uncaring, selfish.

But then, who would the 'Islamic world' blame for their problems?

As far as crucifixion goes, that horrible, violent, inhuman practice, first practiced by non-Christians against Christians, has not been practiced for more than a thousand years by 'Christians'.

However, the times in modern history when it has been used as a weapon against both Christians and anyone who did not follow some extreme, radical, fanatical version of Islam, has been other Muslims using it.

Oric, you seem like a decent person and I think that sometimes you measure what you post because you would seem to have legitimate concerns about censorship and not wanting to draw undue attention to your thoughts by those within your own country who have a very different agenda.

But history, sometimes ugly, is no less accurate for being ugly.

I for one believe that the Armenian Genocide by Turkey was real. It was very much an ethnic cleansing just as vile as the pogroms against Jews and the burning of pagans by those using their version of Christianity as justification.
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Old 04-17-2017, 01:11 PM   #6
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You can not defend your modern barbarism by trying to defame me or my country's history. The Armenian issue is nothing more than a time of war where one ethnic group revolted and sided with the enemy on the war front and slaughtered other civilians. If Ottomans wanted to eridicate the Armenians, they would have finished off others through out the Empire, especially in Istanbul. That is what Nazis and European settlers in North, Central and South America did. That is the definition of genocide.

The non-christians were Romans .. and Greco-Roman culture is where modern Europe calls its ancient heritage .. So is the cross and crucifixition.

Please stay on the topic and try to answer/talk about what I wrote in the first place.

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Old 04-17-2017, 03:17 PM   #7
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Oric, while I know almost nothing of Turkey's more recent history, I greatly appreciate reading your perspective. Thank you.
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