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Old 10-15-2009, 11:50 AM   #1
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Default Disillusioned liberals yearn for Hillary Clinton

October 15, 2009

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Disillusioned liberals yearn for Hillary Clinton














Where were you when you came to the panicky realization that Hillary Clinton was right?

For me, it was while driving to work one recent morning and talking with a colleague about the state of the health legislation. I was explaining how the Obama plan wasn’t really about universal coverage but rather cutting a deal with the insurance industry and then making it look good for liberals.

I paused, realizing that I had just repeated, almost verbatim, the lines that Clinton used to bludgeon then-Sen. Barack Obama during the Democratic primaries.

As they debated in Cleveland — the nastiest of their one-on-one matchups after John Edwards dropped out to spend more time with his families — Clinton charged that Obama wouldn’t play tough enough and would get rolled by the insurance industry.

Her words came back to me: “Senator Obama’s plan does not cover everyone. It would leave, give or take, 15 million people out.”

I expected to look into the rearview mirror and see her sitting in the back seat cackling and wearing that suit that looked like it had been plucked from the wardrobe trailer of “Star Trek: The Next Generation.”

I shuddered as I did the math. The plan backed by the White House would cover about 94 percent of Americans, leaving about 15 million without coverage. And as an added injury, under the Obama plan, the uninsured will now be paying fines for the offense of not being able to afford what will be more expensive coverage.

Not that Clinton’s plan would have been an idyll of Austrian economics and American self-reliance.

The weight of her mandate would have crushed businesses and young workers with a vengeance, but it would have been real, honest socialism. And everyone would have been covered.

With the mumbling, accidental socialism of Obama, the insurance companies get richer and the middle class gets to pay more for less care. And what the working stiffs don’t pay, senior citizens will sacrifice in the form of Medicare cuts.

That’s why so many liberals are now remembering Clinton’s other line from the Ohio primary of March 2008: “Shame on you, Barack Obama.”

Most conservatives had their moment of regret for Clinton’s loss long ago when they realized that Obama was completely out his depth.

It started during the period of “The Office of the President-Elect” and continued as Google proved better at vetting members of the administration than the transition team.

For those on the Right chiefly concerned with foreign policy, the lament about Clinton’s miserable campaign continues to deepen. They believe that radical Islam and Vladimir Putin will prove to be tougher adversaries than the insurance industry and the senior senator from Maine. The defense-minded Right is still thinking about the 3 a.m. call, and not the one from the Nobel Committee.

But for most conservatives, Obama’s incompetence is his best attribute. While it’s true that the president may dither his way into more trouble in Afghanistan and Pakistan, he may prove no worse than Jimmy Carter when it comes to deliberately weakening America’s position in the world. As Ronald Reagan showed, America can be made strong again.

But conservatives know that they never would have had a chance with Clinton. Where Obama has overfilled his plate like a kid at Thanksgiving dinner and now stares at an unappetizing mountain of cold mashed potatoes, Clinton would have taken measured bites and finished the whole feast.

By the end of her second term (oh, yes), Clinton might have undone the Republican Party for good, turning it into a marginal force that could occasionally block the majority but never really rule.

Clinton spent a lifetime studying the levers of power and 16 years getting ready for the top job. In fact, she was so busy preparing to be president that she let Paul Begala and the other faded glories from her husband’s political shop handle the whole getting-elected part.

It was a truly terrible electoral effort only outstripped by the hapless, fractious campaign of her friend John McCain.

But had she won, there’s no doubt that she would have ground up the bones of her enemies and baked chocolate chip cookies with them. Obama, though, has proven to be the only person who could make the GOP look reasonable again after the misadventures of the Bush years.

Conservatives can console themselves with the thought of 2010 and beyond.

For liberals, though, the strange, sad longing for the woman they rejected has only just begun.
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Are liberals really stupid enough to believe that Hillary would be significantly different than Obama ???
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I haven't read it but Ariana Huffington wrote a piece about removing Joe Biden as VP.. I don't know why. Who are they going to put in his place. Hillary?

On the radio a talk show host was interviewing a man who has researched impeachment extensively. He has an impeachment site now. He was saying 2010 will be the year to get rid of Obama as the congress could have enough of a shift to allow a removal of a sitting president.

The times are crazy enough for just about anything to happen.

People are worried and fed up.

Though Steve Maltzburg???? the radio talk show host, said Obamas approval rating is just above 50% and his popularity is at 59%. (I didn't check this out.) That seems high to me.
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Are liberals really stupid enough to believe that Hillary would be significantly different than Obama ???
How long has it been since you lived in California ?



The answer is YES. They were stupid enough to vote for Obama with
undefined "change".
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Talk about a rock and a hard place.
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October 15, 2009

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Fox News Poll: 43 Percent Would Vote To Re-Elect President Obama














If the election were held today, 43 percent of American voters would back Barack Obama for president, according to a new Fox News poll.
In what may be the ultimate job rating, 43 percent of voters say that they would vote to re-elect President Obama if the 2012 election were held today, down from 52 percent six months ago, from April 22-23, 2009.

Obama's job approval rating comes in at 49 percent this week. That's down just one percentage point from late September, but it marks a new low approval for the president -- and the first time the Fox News poll has measured his approval below 50 percent.

Moreover, the number of Americans saying they would vote to re-elect President Obama has dropped. If the election were held today the poll finds more voters say they would back someone else in the 2012 election than would back the president.

Despite winning the Nobel Peace Prize last Friday, the latest Fox News poll finds the president's ratings on foreign issues are lower than his overall job ratings. All in all, 49 percent of Americans say they approve of the job President Obama is doing and 45 percent disapprove. His average approval for the term so far is 58 percent.

On Afghanistan, 41 percent of Americans say they approve of the job Obama is doing and 43 percent disapprove. For his handling of Iran, 44 percent approve and 43 percent disapprove.

On the president's handling of the economy, voters are almost equally split: 48 percent approve and 49 percent disapprove. On health care, some 42 percent approve of the president's performance and half disapprove, 50 percent.

Among Democrats, 78 percent say they would vote to re-elect President Obama, down from 87 percent in April. For 2008 Obama voters, 81 percent say they would vote to re-elect him -- that's a slight up tick from the 79 percent who said so previously.

Six in 10 Americans -- 60 percent -- think Obama is a strong and decisive leader.
And while 38 percent think President Obama is getting good advice from his advisors, a larger number -- 45 percent -- think he is "listening to the wrong people"

Opinion Dynamics Corp. conducted the national telephone poll of 900 registered voters for FOX News from October 13 to October 14. The poll has a 3-point error margin.

Did He Deserve It?

Upon winning the Nobel Peace Prize, Barack Obama said, "To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many transformational figures." Most Americans agree with the president -- 65 percent say he did not deserve to win, while 29 percent say he did.

Furthermore, a slim 54 percent majority of Democrats think Obama did deserve to win, while 38 percent disagree. For independents, 19 percent think he deserved it, while nearly three-quarters, 74 percent, say he did not. Among Republicans, almost all -- 91 percent -- say he did not deserve it.

When asked why the Nobel Committee gave the president the prize, about a third of Americans, 32 percent, say because he deserved it, while the largest number -- 44 percent -- think the committee hoped the prize would make Obama "think twice before using military force in the future."

Congress

Most Americans are unhappy with Congress these days -- 66 percent disapprove, including 45 percent of Democrats, 77 percent of independents and 84 percent of Republicans. Overall, less than one of four Americans, 24 percent, approve of the job Congress is doing.

Looking ahead to the 2010 Congressional election, for the first time this year the Republicans have the advantage: 42 percent of voters say they are more likely to back the Republicans to provide a check on President Obama's power, while 38 percent say they would vote for the Democrat to help the president pass his policies.

Finally, in a rare example of bipartisan agreement, majorities of Democrats, 53 percent, Republicans, 78 percent, and Independents, 61 percent, agree the country is more divided these days. All in all, 64 percent of Americans think the country is more politically divided today -- that's more than twice the number who say it is not more divided, 31 percent.
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