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11-08-2009, 11:42 AM
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George W. Bush Visits Fort Hood, Wounded Soldiers
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11-08-2009, 11:54 AM
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As soon as Obama can get his Cap and Trade speech ready, he will go to Texas too.
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11-08-2009, 12:02 PM
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As soon as Obama can get his Cap and Trade speech ready, he will go to Texas too.
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11-08-2009, 12:16 PM
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Thank you, GWB! For all of your shortcomings, you were still a stand up guy. 
Even the Boston Globe is appalled at PBO's lack of empathy (read the comments- very telling, from a BLUE, BLUE city!):
Boston.com
The Boston Globe
GLOBE EDITORIAL
Obama’s delayed empathy
November 7, 2009
IN TIMES of national tragedy, Americans expect their president to capture the mood and moment with the right blend of emotion, empathy, and urgency. It’s a delicate act of timing and tone. And President Obama, despite his eloquence and dignity, has yet to master it, as illustrated by his awkward response to the deadly shootings at the Fort Hood Army Base in Texas.
Obama’s initial remarks came shortly after 5 p.m. Thursday, while Americans were struggling to come to grips with the shocking rampage and its chaotic aftermath. The stage was set for the president to quickly and somberly address the tragedy. Instead, a serene-looking Obama offered light introductory comments, keyed to those attending a Tribal Nations Conference that was hosted by the Department of Interior’s Bureau of Indian Affairs. His introduction included a convivial “shout-out’’ to one of the conference attendees.
Several minutes in, Obama finally called the Fort Hood shootings “a horrific outburst of violence.’’ The words he spoke next were respectful and appropriate. But it took him too long to get to the point of delivering them.
It takes more than scripted eloquence for presidents to connect with their fellow Americans. It requires a visceral ability to grasp the scope of tragedy, calculate its impact on the national psyche, and react swiftly to it. Ronald Reagan did it after the Challenger explosion took the lives of seven crew members on Jan. 28, 1986. So did Bill Clinton, after the Oklahoma City bombings of April 19, 1995, left 168 dead and more than 600 injured.
When a gunman fired those shots at Fort Hood, the country immediately felt the pain. Obama missed the first moment to show he understood just how much it hurt.
© Copyright 2009 The New York Times Company
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11-08-2009, 12:26 PM
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I dont believe Obama missed the moment to show he understood, I dont think it really troubled at all. I dont think O knows, or cares to know, that soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines are people. He has never associated with them, never taken the time to understand them, and as far as I can tell, dismisses them as some underlings not worthy of his time.
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11-08-2009, 12:33 PM
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I dont believe Obama missed the moment to show he understood, I dont think it really troubled at all. I dont think O knows, or cares to know, that soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines are people. He has never associated with them, never taken the time to understand them, and as far as I can tell, dismisses them as some underlings not worthy of his time.
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Hey now, he worked for at least 10 minutes on this salute for the cameras:
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11-08-2009, 12:33 PM
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Boston.com
The Boston Globe
GLOBE EDITORIAL
Obama’s delayed empathy
November 7, 2009
IN TIMES of national tragedy, Americans expect their president to capture the mood and moment with the right blend of emotion, empathy, and urgency. It’s a delicate act of timing and tone. |
This is a pathetically shallow opening comment.Of course one has to consider the source.Emotion,impathy,and sense of sincere urgency is not a trait that can be provided to a set of public expectations,but a pre-requisite for attaining the presidency to begin with.I don't want a president that is willing to care.What we need is one that is hard-wired to.
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11-08-2009, 01:36 PM
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"IN TIMES of national tragedy, Americans expect their president to capture the mood and moment with the right blend of emotion, empathy, and urgency give a damn. It’s a delicate act of timing and tone sign of the President's humanity."
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11-08-2009, 02:06 PM
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I think that Bush was not only rude to go before Obama, but uncaring to go and make this into a political thing.
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11-08-2009, 02:25 PM
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I think that Bush was not only rude to go before Obama, but uncaring to go and make this into a political thing.
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It was only made political by Obama's abject failure to handle his end of things. It is entirely appropriate for a former state governor to visit the scene of a tragedy in his state, as well as for a former Commander in Chief of the U.S. Military to visit a base that has undergone such a tragedy.
For you to be calling Bush 'rude' or 'uncaring' in contrasting his response with Obama's is just a farce.
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11-08-2009, 04:04 PM
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I think that Bush was not only rude to go before Obama, but uncaring to go and make this into a political thing.
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I know BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) is rampant in your mind, but lets see if we can help ya' figure some things out..... if ya have trouble, just focus on the bold words....
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...lik-hasan.html
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The Bushes instructed the commander of the mourning military base that they wanted no publicity. With their Secret Service detail, Bush and his wife made the 30 mile trip unannounced from their ranchnear Crawford, Texas Friday evening.
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FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) ― Former President George W. Bush and his wife, Laura, visited wounded soldiers and their families near the site of the worst mass shooting on an Army post in the United States.
The Bushes made their private visit to Fort Hood's Darnall Army Medical Center on Friday night. Bush spokesman David Sherzer said in an e-mail that the couple thanked Fort Hood's military leaders and hospital staff for the "amazing care they are providing."
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Stop with the silly posts already....
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11-08-2009, 04:17 PM
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11-08-2009, 04:29 PM
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The decent and Presidential thing to do. After all he was the Commander in Chief.
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11-08-2009, 04:39 PM
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Bush did the right thing. Obama? Not so much.
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11-08-2009, 06:12 PM
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I think that Bush was not only rude to go before Obama, but uncaring to go and make this into a political thing.
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Who stopped Obama from going a day or so ago?
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11-08-2009, 06:16 PM
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Rev. Wright? Stern? A hangnail?
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11-08-2009, 06:17 PM
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RUDE???
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I think that Bush was not only rude to go before Obama, but uncaring to go and make this into a political thing.
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What the hell are the 'social niceties' involved in the reaction to a terrorist running amok & killing 13 & wounding 30 others? This incident occured THURSDAY & the President hasn't been seen. AF1 is comm wired to the max - no problem for Obama to get on board & head straight to Ft. Hood ASAP & STILL work while en route. He didn't.
George W - & make no mistake, I thought he sucked as a President, went on a PRIVATE visit. And why should he not - former governer of the state, former President & former CIC of the Armed Forces.
He didn't politicize it - I fail to see how he can be accused of that when he made a private visit.
Statesmanship & being Presidential isn't about knowing the latest au courant way of juggling your mistresses & wife with elan or knowing what shade of tie goes with a certain tone of blue suit. It's not about the little bullshit details. It's about rolling up your sleeves & doing what needs to be done, what SHOULD be done, WHEN it needs doing.
NOT showing up to Fort Hood as soon as was humanly possible was what was rude & worse, completely contemptible.
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11-08-2009, 07:05 PM
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Just found out Obama is relaxing at Camp David this weekend...shout-outs must be very tiring...he'll make it over to Ft. Hood for the memorial service on Tuesday.
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11-08-2009, 08:00 PM
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Who in their right mind believed for a minute that a junior senator from Illinois, with less than a full term in office (alot of which was spent on the campaign trail) and zero time on any substantial committees could possibly be prepared for the most powerful and responsible job in the world. As much as I despised Ted Kennedy, on his worst binder he could not have come off less caring than Obama. Hell, John Kerry would have sounded and acted more sincere.
I dont think his handlers have yet understood the depths of his screw up, or how badly this will come back to bite him in the ass.
Biden talked of him being tested. Guess what, He failed!
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11-08-2009, 08:52 PM
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It's hard to figure Obama on this one. On one hand there was that midnight trip to Dover to meet the mortuary plane. On the other hand there is this incident at Ft. Hood. Surely his handlers at least would have strongly suggested he get out in front of this thing if Obama himself did not decide it for himself. Yet he is fumbling it.
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11-08-2009, 10:06 PM
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I think that Bush was not only rude to go before Obama, but uncaring to go and make this into a political thing.
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Imagine how differently life would have turned out" IF"
George Bush had been BLACK and Obarma WHITE
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11-08-2009, 10:20 PM
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Obama was pre-occupied with his efforts realted to getting the Health Care Reform legislation passed in the House.
Everybody has their priorities. Obama's happen to be continuing the socialization and transformation of the United States into some psuedo-euro trash country.
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11-08-2009, 11:01 PM
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Ironic - while those sown to preserve & protect the Constitution were ebing gunned down, he was making sure it was totally shredded.
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11-09-2009, 08:42 AM
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It's like that, is it?
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"Um... Mr. Bush..."
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11-09-2009, 10:24 AM
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Bush redeemed himself with one gesture of humanity.
I always thought Laura was a sensible woman. And she stood by him, as his consort..
Obama is damning himself with none.
And Michelle, I have come to believe is a poor advisor.
I don't like his lean to socialism, but I didn't take him to be a complete fool.
It is these gestures that make a leader.
The dems better be rustling up some one else for 2012.
If, in the end he finds it necessary, and goes into Iran, and despite his rhetoric that is always a possibility, he will be shredded.
He has lost much respect that is due to any Commander in Chief.
How stupid can Obama and his advisors be?
A gesture of respect? How hard is that?
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