George W. Bush Visits Fort Hood, Wounded Soldiers

[Susie]

Bush was wrong. He never was a statesman.

[sandyd]

I can think of reasons to not let him go, were I a handler. Depends on what the intelligence spooks say.

Did our VP go? Anyone but Bush?

[Darkimbolc]

Bush redeemed himself with one gesture of humanity.

So, one visit to the aftermath of a texas shooting is all it takes to redeem one of Katrina, Iraq, the torture scandal and The Patriot[sic] Act? Interesting scale you must be using.... Hope Obama's taking notes - he can probably whip up some shooting in 2013 to absolve him of everything too

And for the record, Obama dropped the ball on this, PR wise - no question. But, to make such an absurd statement as the above is really missing the bus.

[lilly]

Yes, he has redeemed himself.

I didn't vote for him, didn't like him, in fact detested his starting a war, and much of what he and Cheney did during his 2 terms..

But, it is done. Spilt milk. A Mess.

The damage and mess we are stuck with.

Bush is moving on, and so must we. He is no longer president. Obama is.

It is propaganda, always propaganda that is foremost.

All it would have taken was a few moments of Obamas time, or a trip to Fort Hood in Air Force one.

Obama didn't bother. (For Whatever stupid reason, and it was a miscalculation on his part.) And now he is stuck with the fallout.

And so future elections are lost.

Don't trash a former Bush opponent.

Bush actually for once, did the right thing.

[Cactus Az]

Obama hasn`t shown one ounce of leadership since he came to office.
All he knows how to do is campaign.

I kept thinking that any day he would roll up his sleeves and get to work.

Now,I see that he`s flat doesn`t have any concept of the words work or leadership.

[Darkimbolc]

Bush actually for once, did the right thing.

I wasn't arguing that. What I was saying that redemption for the sins committed is a much longer road than what you seem to be saying.

[Glockd]

Originally Posted by Susie

Bush was wrong. He never was a statesman.

Who are you trying to convince?

[A.T. Hagan]

I have long since repented ever having voted for G.W. Bush back in 2000. He was an umitigated disaster.

But he did good this time.

.....Alan.

[rc]

I dont believe Obama missed the moment to show he understood, I dont think it really troubled at all. I dont think O knows, or cares to know, that soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines are people. He has never associated with them, never taken the time to understand them, and as far as I can tell, dismisses them as some underlings not worthy of his time.

One thing I noticed during his innaguration was that during the parade, there were enlisted personnel from all of the branches lining his parade route. I thought it was really weird that I didn't see him acknowledging any of them. I can understand that saluting probably isn't his style. But it seemed really weird that he didn't shake any of their hands, pat them on the back, say hello, etc. If there were any other group of voters just standing there, it seems to me that it would be irresistible for any politician to acknowledge them in some manner. But it seemed like he treated him just like another object that was there, like the lamp posts. It seemed almost like he was scared or annoyed by them.

[Mama Alanna]

Originally Posted by rc

It seemed almost like he was scared or annoyed by them.

Maybe he is. That ridiculous, stupid meme that ALL members of the military are "trained killers" may make him very leery of military people. Like maybe some soldier will pop up with a gun and shoot him down. Isn't that what "trained killers" would do?

And if not, then maybe he thinks that they're fools for being loyal Americans and joining up in the first place. Room temperature IQs, not near smart enough to understand The President.

[lilly]

As far as Bush goes, he could end up at the Hague. Ditto Cheney.

As far as Obama, he consistantly seems to misunderstand the role of the military in this country. The fact that almost everyone in the country has had a relation or a relationship with someone in the military.

He flubbed a visit to the wounded in Germany, before the election and went to a gym for exercise instead. Pretty clueless, not to get a hint then.

I don't understand what is wrong with the guy myself. I disliked him from the git go as a probable Marxist, but once elected I was not critical, and did my usual "Lets wait and see." If he seemed to be unfairly criticised I said as much.

His wife has been less than helpful to his cause. Her position has gone to her head, and people were not all that enamored of her in the campaign.

Their kids, they're charming. The dog, a real winner.

Recently Obama seems to be getting almost everything wrong.

This is a biggie, and he just doesn't get that this Fort Hood masacre may not be as big as 9-11, but only because a woman took this malcontent down. I'm glad it was a woman.

Or the man should have been given a discharge. Honorable discharge? no. I don't know what they could have done with him, that is water under the bridge.

It is a wake up call.

[Ought Six]

l:

"As far as Bush goes, he could end up at the Hague. Ditto Cheney."

If you mean being Bush and/or Cheney tried in front of the International Criminal Court, it is ridiculous to believe that might happen.

[Sysiphus]

As far as Bush goes, he could end up at the Hague. Ditto Cheney.

Yes - Our European "allies" seem to have selective amnesia when it comes to politicians: with ours they have the memory of an elephant; with theirs, they are as senile as someone in the advanced stages of Alzheimers. Nothing like throwing a stone while in a glass house to focus the criticism elsewhere, eh?

[lilly]

Well, we really don't know and may never know what is what here.

Sounds like Treason and mass murder, enough to hang him. But the military hasn't used the death penalty for 40 years someone said. I don't know.

A fireing squad? No he'll rot in military prison, or kill himself.

Or could he have been conflicted as a double agent?

We don't know the facts, and may never be told.

They better start charging some of those Inmans with sedition.

Freedom of speech? I think it goes to abusing freedom of speech into sedition.

[Potemkin]

Originally Posted by lilly

As far as Bush goes, he could end up at the Hague. Ditto Cheney.

Firebombing of Tokyo, Firebombing of Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki?

If Roosevelt didn't go, neither will Bush.

[lilly]

Roosevelt died in Office.

Truman dropped the bomb on Hiroshima, Nagasaki.

[Malcolm]

Originally Posted by Ought Six

l:If you mean being Bush and/or Cheney tried in front of the International Criminal Court, it is ridiculous to believe that might happen.

With Tony Blair on one side and John Howard on the other.??????

[Sysiphus]

What about the French politicians and military leaders who ordered the atrocities in Algeria. Or the Franco cronies who still reside in Madrid to this day. Or Fidel Castro, who fuelled a vicious and illegal guerrilla war in Angola. Or Chinese leaders who, to this day, are ordering mass murders of Tibetans.

US politicians are an easy target but no country has clean hands. Of course, the reason for the duplicity is obvious: atrocities by European and leftist politicians are completely ignored unless (like Serbia) the government has no real power to stop the process. Unlike some on this board, I am no fan of Bush and Cheney, but the double-standard among people is appalling.

[lilly]

Cheney could be arrested and tried at the Hague because he is on tape, about torture of prisoners. I doubt if he would travel abroad.

Bush, iffy.

Of course not likely to happen.

[Sysiphus]

Milosovic seems to have been the last. Did he die before he was convicted?

Karadic is on trial right now. Again, the double standard is appalling, as there are people living in Spain right now who did as bad or worse than Karadic, yet they sit back in their villas and enjoy visits from "old friends". Times have not changed at all; the only thing that has changed is that the ICJ process is even more politicized than similar bodies were in the past. If the ICJ had any balls at all, and wasn't a den of European leftists, it would be bringing charges up as we speak against Chinese and Cuban leaders.

[Potemkin]

Originally Posted by lilly

Roosevelt died in Office.

Truman dropped the bomb on Hiroshima, Nagasaki.

You are prevaricating but you are right.

Nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

If Truman didn't go, neither will Bush.

[lilly]

Knew the daughter of the lawyer of von Braun the rocket scientist. Van Braun insisted his lawyer and his family come to the States when he came. He was under the protection of the U.S. who refused to turn him over to the Hague, who wanted to try him. The beginnings of NASA.

There are British nationals who were at Guantameno who have filed complaints against Cheney and Bush to my recall, with the Hague.

[rc]

I know everyone hates Cheney, and I hate to burst their bubble.

But what exactly would he be charged with, anyway? His official duties consist of presiding over the senate. Perhaps he gave advice apart from his official duties, but it seems to me that giving advice isn't a crime. If the chef at the White House gave arguably illegal advice, should he be charged as well? What about a newspaper opinion page that gave illegal advice? Should they be charged if the President was found to have read their advice and acted upon it?

Again, I know that he's the guy that everyone loves to hate as evil personified. But it seems to me that there is this slight practical problem.

[lilly]

lol. I only brought up the Hague hanging over Bush and Cheney because someone or other complained that I said Bush redeemed himself, and they thought I was being easy on him.

So I tossed in the Hague hanging over his head as a bone.

Google it up sometimes,if you have spare time. I'm finished with the subject.

All I initially said was that Bush had redeemed himself and from there it went on and on.

He has a lot to answer for, but not to me.

He is out of the loop of power. A has been.

Though Cheney hangs on like a bull dog.