Homeopathic remedies: a real cure or a waste of NHS money?

[Samen]

Mixin, try goggling "Weleda Combudoron Gel" and limit results to US, I haven't found one site that gives half the ingredients than the Ausie site list in above post for the gel.

On the Lotion I remember reading somewhere it has some homeopathic quantities of other stuff in it.

My reasoning for the Lotion maybe having more in it is based on the Gel having more in it than told in the EU or US sites, and could not find the Lotion in Ausie sites that gave the longest list.

Hope this is not 2 confusing, im in a hurry.

[Auburn Boy]

Originally Posted by gsgs

see here, how much they are diluted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy#Dilutions
so they could easily spare a factor of -say- 100 and it's still less toxic than ... almost anything.
Then the customer could buy one such bottle and make 100 from
it by diluting herself for the price of one !

A new cottage industry in the making..,

[Auburn Boy]

Originally Posted by Samen

It has Arnica in it

Id love to C the full list on the lotion, it acts a bit different than the gel The Australians had the list for the gel but lotion is not mentioned.
The homeopathic dosage ingredients in the gel formula are missing.
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Lotion short list

Ethanolic extracts of Urtica urens, Herba (1=2) 95%
Arnica montana, Planta tota (1=2) 5% .

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Gel

Aloe vera to accelerate wound healing in burns
Equisetum for slow-healing wounds
Urtica Urens acts as an astringent on wounds
Lavender and Pine pure essential oils - to soothe the skin
in a base containing natural vegetable oils and beeswax.

Contains: Tincture, % w/w equiv. to fresh plant juice:
Echinacea angustifolia and/or Echinacea purpurea, whole plant and/or root 1.67%;
Urtica urens, herb 4.75%. Tincture, % w/w equiv. dry plant:
Arnica montana, flower 0.045%;
Arnica montana, root 0.005%. Decoction, % w/w equiv. dry herb:
Equisetum arvensis 0.5%. Oil extract, % w/w equiv. to fresh herb:
Hypericum perforatum 1%. Oil extract, % w/w equiv. to dry plant:
Calendula officinalis, flower 0.98%;
Equisetum arvensis, herb 0.48%.
Aloe barbadensis (Aloe vera), conc. equiv. fresh leaf juice 20%;
Cod-liver oil 5%;
Lavender Oil 0.2%;
Pumilio Pine Oil 0.25% in a base of
pure vegetable oils and
beeswax
http://www.organicsaustraliaonline.com.au/prod2971.htm

It sounds more like an "herbal remedy." Maybe you should stop considering it "homeopathy."

[Auburn Boy]

Originally Posted by Samen

Mixin, try goggling "Weleda Combudoron Gel" and limit results to US, I haven't found one site that gives half the ingredients than the Ausie site list in above post for the gel.

On the Lotion I remember reading somewhere it has some homeopathic quantities of other stuff in it.

My reasoning for the Lotion maybe having more in it is based on the Gel having more in it than told in the EU or US sites, and could not find the Lotion in Ausie sites that gave the longest list.

Hope this is not 2 confusing, im in a hurry.

Homeopathic quantities are like imaginary numbers in math..,

[gsgs]

no, more like differentials, infinitesimal amounts, epsilontics

[mixin]

Samen,
Just out of curiosity, I emailed Weleda and Terri Wright was kind enough to reply.

She said the ingredients were exactly what I stated:
100 ml contains ethanolic extract of: Urtica urens, Herba (1=2) 95ml; Arnica montana, Planta tota recens (1=2) 5ml. Nominal ethanol content 36% v/v

[Samen]

Well that was nice of them. I'l settle for that
The web site I distinctly remember had mention of other ingredients but hey, cant believe everything one reads on the net.

[mixin]

I think there is a lot to be said for the healing properties of herbs. There are a number of OTC creams for the radiation burns that cancer patients often experience; but I've seen very good results from a simple calendula tea sprayed on the radiated area.

Alcohol-based witch hazel kills poison ivy itch better than anything I've ever tried. Maybe the alcohol in your lotion (along with the herbs) is soothing to your healing burn?

[Samen]

My experiances are more in the line of 2 gallons of boiling water being pored over someone in a Sauna, a nude child backing into a red hot cast iron stove, flames, etc, big body % of burnt area with a lot of heat, after fast initial cooling, the medicine and on to the hospital, or to meet the paramedics somewhere half way of a 100 miles. Seen some nasty burns not treated with this and treated ones and have some comparison, the pain reliving is not that much if any, the healing efect and/or prevention of future damage efect is pretty cool.

[Ought Six]

Aloe vera gel fresh from a cut leaf has amazing healing properties for burns. Colloidal silver (aka 'microparticle silver') is the best, most gentle antibiotic to use on patients with serious burns involving significant skin destruction to prevent infection and promote healing. It is applied topically in spray solutions and cremes, and also silver-impregnated bandages are applied to severe burns.

But all this is not homeopathy, and thus is off-topic for this thread.

[Ross]

But all this is not homeopathy, and thus is off-topic for this thread.

Exactly .

Well said .

[mixin]

Originally Posted by Ought Six

Aloe vera gel fresh from a cut leaf has amazing healing properties for burns. Colloidal silver (aka 'microparticle silver') is the best, most gentle antibiotic to use on patients with serious burns involving significant skin destruction to prevent infection and promote healing. It is applied topically in spray solutions and cremes, and also silver-impregnated bandages are applied to severe burns.

But all this is not homeopathy, and thus is off-topic for this thread.

So, delete it or move it then.

[Ought Six]

That is up to the staff. A little off-topic tangent on a thread is usually not a problem, so long as it does not threadjack the entire thread.

[Samen]

Aloe is totaly off topic, though I could tell a story of a drunken American who at an private party fell face first into a firewalking pit and how on this deserted island there was only Aloe and salt water plus 5 other drunken sailors to help him...

Combudoron was partaly on topick as I was sertain it had some homeopathic ingridients in it, thou that was not the case, as came out after some research.