Two bombs in Athens aimed at Paki community; ultranatiionalist to blame?

[Ought Six]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...section=justin

There is a rising anti-Muslim sentiment in Europe as a backlash to Islamist riots, demands for Sharia law, demands for other special rights for Muslims, the gang rape epidemic against non-Muslim women by young Muslim men, criminality emanating from Muslim neighborhoods and more. Expect to see a lot more of this kind of thing, and the growth of violent ultranationalist anti-immigrant groups (in Greece, there is frequently an Xn Orthodox component to these groups as well). This is likely to escalate into tit-for-tat terrorist attacks if the authorities do not find a way to put a stop to it. This could be the genesis of violent anti-Muslim terrorist groups springing up across Europe. Attacks against Muslims in Greece is also a red flag waved in the face of Turks, which will inflame the always-simmering-just-below-the-surface enmity between Greece and Turkey.

This is a really bad thing, and I hope they can nip it in the bud before it gets completely out of control. But with indigenous residents of these nations feeling increasingly under threat from Islamist immigrants, and their governments doing so very little to stop it, this kind of reaction seems like it was inevitable. Peaceful protests and political action have not begun to mitigate the problem, and frustrated, frightened people are going to eventually act in order to protect themselves (as they see it). The violence and criminality on both sides *must* be stopped, or the results will be the culture war in Europe turning into open warfare in the streets. Parts of Europe could end up looking like Beirut.

[Fiddlerdave]

Originally Posted by Ought Six

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...section=justin

There is a rising anti-Muslim sentiment in Europe as a backlash to Islamist riots, demands for Sharia law, demands for other special rights for Muslims, the gang rape epidemic against non-Muslim women by young Muslim men, criminality emanating from Muslim neighborhoods and more. Expect to see a lot more of this kind of thing, and the growth of violent ultranationalist anti-immigrant groups (in Greece, there is frequently an Xn Orthodox component to these groups as well). This is likely to escalate into tit-for-tat terrorist attacks if the authorities do not find a way to put a stop to it. This could be the genesis of violent anti-Muslim terrorist groups springing up across Europe. Attacks against Muslims in Greece is also a red flag waved in the face of Turks, which will inflame the always-simmering-just-below-the-surface enmity between Greece and Turkey.

"The Muslim gang rape epidemic against non-Muslim women"???? Well, I guess this eternally-repeated hate paradigm was due, this paradigm ALWAYS emerges in the frenzied stirrings directed at the populace by those who wish "purity" in their countries, and by repressors who need a scapegoat on whom to blame all "troubles that the government ignores".

Such propaganda is aided by a few stories of the usual rapists who justify their thinking: if Muslim rapist, "an unveiled woman is just a slut who is just fine to rape", if the rapist is Black, "white women are fine to rape for revenge", if the rapist is White, "any non-white woman isn't human and therefor is fine to rape". In reality, a rapist is a rapist is a rapist, their excuses are eternally identical and boring in their banality and prove nothing except their desire for any excuse to get their evil wish. The "ravening hordes of rapist Muslims" is not there! (The ravening hordes of young horny foreign-looking made even more desirable because "Daddy hates them" men are there though, so your daughters are in a bit of willing jeopardy. though! )

But this is the first I heard of it (it MUST be the company I keep! ) so I go researching for the evidence of this "epidemic". I find the usual anecdotes of a particular case, of breathless articles in newstand rags of "70% of rapes are committed by "foreign-based men" -i.e. not white, but likely to be current citizens and even multigenerational citizens - are against "Norwegian women" - i.e. any woman in Norway, who knows?

I thought this tidbit from Frontpage Magazine article "Symposium: To Rape an Unveiled Woman", a rag (and a favorite of 06!) which is just about the most credible of those who are suggesting a Muslim Main raping White Women" as an "epidemic", this bit really defined the fears of the Separatist BS thinking of the people who distribute this blather:

http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=5347

Rape is a forced sexual fusion. The rapists remain erotically fused to their mothers upon whom they completely depend emotionally but hate it.
As for the Western feminists in academe who have completely sold out to political correctness, they too remain clueless as to what their behavior tells us about themselves. They function as another fused family who must go to extreme lengths to defend these male rapists as well. I would assume that at some level these feminists must really be terrified because if they were to take a hard look, they would have to admit to themselves that they might be next.

FP: I think you have hit the nail on the head, but I do not think the radical feminists are afraid of being next. From my study of the Left, they crave to be next and that is why they support these dark forces. They yearn to submit to the dark forces of totalitarianism and even to be devoured by them. It is the same death-wish virus that motivated many Western communists to go to Stalinist Russia to supposedly build communism, when they actually only went to their deaths, giving their lives for an idea that butchered them.

In other words, according to our fearless anti-Muslim Protectors, Muslims are supposedly saying those immortal words of the black Sheriff Bart: "Where the white women at?" and the Fearless anti-Muslim Protectos are afraid their women are saying "Right Here, we need REAL MEN who will DEVOUR US!!"!

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This is a really bad thing, and I hope they can nip it in the bud before it gets completely out of control.

Says one of the folks who spread the inciteful trash as "truth"!

But with indigenous residents of these nations feeling increasingly under threat from Islamist immigrants, and their governments doing so very little to stop it, this kind of reaction seems like it was inevitable.

Yes, the governments have a little bit of trouble stopping epidemics that are not really happening. The typical effect we see is where local kids are just doing "letting off steam" when they smash all the windows downtown, students from parents that don't match the neighborhood are "dangerous terrorists". Sure, there are riots, there are crimes, there are rapes. Any MORE than any group similar in income and demographic? Nothing says so, and we see it if it did.

Peaceful protests and political action have not begun to mitigate the problem, and frustrated, frightened people are going to eventually act in order to protect themselves (as they see it).

Hmmm, not seeing a lot of those.

The violence and criminality on both sides *must* be stopped, or the results will be the culture war in Europe turning into open warfare in the streets. Parts of Europe could end up looking like Beirut.

Of course, the anti-different (Muslim, whatever) groups can't stop their REAL violence first, that would be bad, m'kay!

[Ought Six]

Fd:

" "The Muslim gang rape epidemic against non-Muslim women"????"

Your usual attempt at false moral relativity, empty denial and handwaving is not going to work, Dave. The truth is simply undeniable to anyone taking even a cursory look at the facts.

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...icle190268.ece

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/20...-covering.html

http://www.vdare.com/francis/gang_rape.htm

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02...weden-and.html

http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=5347

http://www.aina.org/news/20061101120058.htm

http://www.barossa-region.org/Austra...r-Up-4565.html

You can try and ridicule and attack these reports, but you cannot make the truth go away. The statistics are perfectly clear. The fact that the liberal Euro MSM suppresses this information and refuses to report on does not change the truth, either.
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".,.. of breathless articles in newstand rags of "70% of rapes are committed by "foreign-based men" -i.e. not white, but likely to be current citizens and even multigenerational citizens - are against "Norwegian women" - i.e. any woman in Norway, who knows?"

The rapes happened in heavily Muslim areas, but Dave will have us assume they must really be pygmies from the Amazon rainforest, or blue Avatar people from Pandora, or something. Anything but Muslims, 'cause Dave says so.
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"Says one of the folks who spread the inciteful trash as "truth"!"

I guess when you are a bit frustrated by your total inability to refute the truth, you can simply make broad, fact-free attacks on the person speaking it instead. "Inciteful", Dave? I challenge you to produce a single quote from me where I have incited violence against innocent Muslims civilians. If you cannot, then you owe me an apology for this personal slander.
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"But this is the first I heard of it..."

That is a very curious statement, since we have had a lot of threads on it here and at CE.com over the years that you participated in.
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"Yes, the governments have a little bit of trouble stopping epidemics that are not really happening."

Stop the presses! You heard it here first, folks! "No epidemic of Islamist crime or riots in Europe, sez FiddlerDave!"
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"Hmmm, not seeing a lot of those. {peaceful protests against Islamists in Europe}"

While there is no question that violent protests by Isalmists far, far outnumber peaceful protests by anti-Islamists, the protests by people who have had enough and rise of anti-immigrant parties in Europe is a fact of life there. The fact that Europeans are fed up with the Islamists' crap is undeniably proven by hitherto unprecedented major victories in parliamentary elections by anti-immigrant political factions across Europe. If there was no big problems with Islamists in Europe, per your ludicrous claims, the very liberal and tolerant European people would never have been forced to change their attitudes 180 degrees. There would have been no reason for it. They were just like you; wanting to be accepting, wanting cultural and ethnic diversity. They were forced out of that liberalism because reality was right up in their face. Unlike you, they were the victims of the problems, and they see them every day in their own streets. They did not have the luxury of putting on the blinders and remaining in denial, as you do. And that fact puts the lie to you entire premise.

[dyrt]

This could be the genesis of violent anti-Muslim terrorist groups springing up across Europe.

Not the genesis but the bombs are a visible sign that the tension has risen enough to motivate action from at least one group.

Considering Europe's history, the violence against the immigrants will happen. O6 is probably right; we will see tit for tat gang warfare. I think think there is little left of the older European culture that would force a muslim rout.

[Ought Six]

A hundred years ago they would have had the equivalent of a pogrom. Fortunately, those times are gone. What I fear, though, is that seperatist Muslim neighborhoods will become permanent, and we will eventually have the sort of thing throughout Europe that happened between entrenched religious and ethnic groups in the Balkans when Yugoslavia broke up. I hope there are no concentration camps and mass graves in the future of Europe.

[Oric]

Immigrants are lower income groups with menial jobs, less secure, often less educated therefore more prone to crime. That holds for any *insert your immigrant group here*. So you can not relate crimes of rape with their religion because immigrant groups of christian origin commit more rape crimes in United States than any other. so ?

As for Greeks bombing the Paki. There are more serious inferiority complex of the Greeks than this. There is only -1- mosque in Athens (no permits of a new one even without a minaret), the Turkish minority in Greece are treated as second class citizens and called "Muslims". They can not stand a country to name itself "Macedonia". The Albanians are almost slaves for them etc.

[Ought Six]

O:

"Immigrants are lower income groups with menial jobs, less secure, often less educated therefore more prone to crime. That holds for any *insert your immigrant group here*."

Pure BS. There were very low rate of rape in Europe until Muslim immigrants arrived. The rape rates then went up quite significantly, and the entire increase was due to young Muslim men. They disproportionately commit far more rapes than other groups. There are many Islamist preachers who justify these rapes by blaming it on the victims.

Let us contrast this with a prior wave of immigrants. There was a very large influx of Indians into Britain and other parts of Europe after the end of colonial rule in 1948. There was no huge increase in rape or other crimes, although there were ghettos in British cities full of poor Indians who were unemployed or doing menial labor. There was no ongoing series of riots. There were no demands for special rights. There were no Hindu holy men teaching that certain crimes that might be committed by Hindus were 'not their fault'.

A rather stark difference, no? And if you want to talk about terrorism....
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"So you can not relate crimes of rape with their religion because immigrant groups of christian origin commit more rape crimes in United States than any other. so ?"

Many of exactly the same factors are at work in the U.S. The group in question is the Blacks (as well as a groiwng number of Latinos), who are responsible for a distressingly large portion of the violent crime here; most of it against their own people. There is a pretty common attitude of victimology among Blacks, as with Muslims in Europe. There is a strong sense of cultural alienation among Blacks in ghettos, as with Muslims. There is a feeling that crimes committed by Blacks are 'understandable'; that they are just 'getting back some of their own from Whitey', and they are 'responding to oppression'; again, similar to the 'rape of women "dressed immodestly" is not the fault of Muslims' BS. There is a long-established 'gangsta' criminal subculture among Blacks, and the same thing is forming among European Muslims in their ghettos. So yes, we have a very similar situation here in many important ways. The history is entirely different, but the similar outcome of these similar attitudes reveals the true nature of the problem.

If Muslim youth in European ghettos can get past this, and let go of their imagined 'victim' status, stop believing that rape of western women is acceptable, stop turning to criminal behavior and gangs, and stop demanding that their host nation become culturally Muslim to suit their whims, then all these problems will disappear. Most Muslims in Europe are decent people that already feel that way and just want to live in peace. These angry young wannabe Islamists that are taking the bad road are screwing it up for everyone. The very same thing is true here for angry young Blacks who commit crimes and join gangs, making life a living hell for other Black people in their neighborhoods.

[Fiddlerdave]

Originally Posted by Ought Six

O:Pure BS. There were very low rate of rape in Europe until Muslim immigrants arrived. The rape rates then went up quite significantly, and the entire increase was due to young Muslim men. They disproportionately commit far more rapes than other groups. There are many Islamist preachers who justify these rapes by blaming it on the victims.

You have not ONE iota of proof or even indication of any of what you claim, and "the entire increase is due to young Muslim men" is total and utter hogwash. Go peddle it on your White isolationist bell curve, "Virginia Dare was the first baby born in the New World" web sites, where you can all blame whomever you like based on anecdotes and your fantasies.

Your post of a list of fairly self-referential links with NO information at all, most quite happy to use a bloody picture of a blonde rape victim with no permission or reference, and plenty of absurd bigoted speculation, but no information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_British

Let us contrast this with a prior wave of immigrants. There was a very large influx of Indians into Britain and other parts of Europe after the end of colonial rule in 1948. There was no huge increase in rape or other crimes, although there were ghettos in British cities full of poor Indians who were unemployed or doing menial labor. There was no ongoing series of riots. There were no demands for special rights. There were no Hindu holy men teaching that certain crimes that might be committed by Hindus were 'not their fault'. A rather stark difference, no?

:ROFL: NO! You have NO idea, this crapola from you is ENTIRELY manufactured by you or whoever you are cutting and pasting from.
Lets look at even a TINY amount of the REAL WORLD history!

:http://www.bnvillage.co.uk/black-roo...t-britain.html

The late 1950's through to the late 1980's saw some of the most violent riots in recent British history, a large number of these were in large British cities as a result of mounting tensions between the local black and white communities. The first major incident occurred in 1958 in Notting Hill and was thought to have been fuelled by a group of white youth's dislike of an interracial couple. A mob of 300 to 400 white people descended on a primarily Afro-Caribbean area and attacked houses across the neighbourhood. The 1980 St. Pauls riot in Bristol was also equally as violent resulting in numerous casualties, this incident was fuelled by the local Afro-Caribbean community believing they were being specifically targeted by the Sus law because of their race. 1981 brought another spate of riots, in Brixton 5,000 people were involved in a riot between the Metropolitan Police and local Afro-Caribbean community, the same happened further north in Toxteth, Liverpool. There was a nationwide wave of uprisings in the wake of the Brixton riots and riots occurred in Handsworth, Birmingham in 1981 and 1985 the local South Asian community also became involved in the former. Riots occurred elsewhere in Moss Side, Manchester and again in numerous places within Inner London. Surprisingly there was only one fatal riot (being the Broadwater Farm riot), and as deprivation and unemployment decreased, order was maintained and the frequency of race riots in the UK has decreased dramatically since. Despite this some members of the Black British community were involved in the 2001 Harehills race riot and 2005 Birmingham race riots.

The Brixton Riots
http://www.bnvillage.co.uk/black-roo...t-britain.html

In late August and early September of 1958, Britain experienced some of the worst racial violence the country had ever known. For at least a week, the Notting Dale and Notting Hill sections of London were the scene of nightly clashes between whites and West Indian blacks who had settled in the area. The riots shocked the dominant white community in Great Britain that had long considered itself to be above the kind of racial conflict that was playing out in the American South and in the Commonwealth states of Rhodesia and South Africa at the same time.

Despite the demand for labour, some employers and employees wanted nothing to do with the newcomers, and there were no laws prohibiting racial discrimination in Britain at the time. The government began to hear complaints about the West Indians living as pimps from the earnings of female white prostitutes or off the welfare state and the police did not have the manpower to investigate all suspected cases. It was even mentioned in cabinet meetings, brought up by the Home Secretary, Sir David Maxwell Fyfe:

"Complaints are becoming more frequent that large numbers of colored people are living on national assistance or the immoral earnings of white women."
The general population seemed to think that the immigrants were arriving with no job prospects and were unskilled, when in fact the opposite was true. Most of the West Indian immigrants were skilled or semi-skilled workers. Some employers hesitated hiring black workers despite the obvious qualifications and their willingness to work for wages less than those demanded by native Britons. Even if they were hired, black immigrants who had management or professional skills were rarely placed in positions that fully used their talents but rather were often used in manual labor or unskilled positions. There were several reasons for the hesitation among employers. The first was racism, which was prevalent in most areas of British society at the time. Some employers simply refused to believe that the immigrants could perform as well as whites, they colluded with the labor unions to try and keep the newcomers out of the factories. The second major reason for employer reluctance was fear. They feared (with some justification) that if they hired black workers to fill the empty jobs their white workers would strike or even resign in protest. Whites still composed the vast majority of the labor force and were more experienced. If white workers went on strike, it would hurt the business, or disrupt vital services in the public sector, which in turn would damage the economy as a whole. Whites did not object to black co-workers on purely economic (i.e. taking jobs that would otherwise go to white natives) reasons:

As more blacks arrived and moved to the neighborhoods they were allowed to live in, the uneasiness of the white natives in these areas increased. Not only did these newcomers not look like the native British, they also had strange habits and spoke English with an exotic accent. They talked loudly amongst themselves, sat outside barefoot, dressed in loud colors, and listened to music at high volume. All of these factors contributed to the feelings of unease and resentment by the poor whites who were their neighbors. The fact that blacks moved into already overcrowded poor/working class areas of London caused resentment simply by their presence. Because they got the apartment or room at a rate higher than a single white could afford, they were resented for denying the opportunity for a white to move into the rental. Before and after the riots, stories circulated in the neighborhoods about old ladies driven 'frantic by the noise' of West Indian families living next to them, or disturbed by smells from blacks who didn't know how to use a water closet. More ominous rumors concerning the alleged large numbers of switchblades West Indians had bought over with which they were going to 'do' the marketplace that weekend.

Sadly, your following "sage advice" for minorities everywhere is filled with the same level of "reality" your previous information was! The :tinhat: suffices.

[Ought Six]

Wow, you are totally clueless on that one, Dave. The Brixton riots you listed were by Muslims; the 'west Indian "Blacks"' and 'south Asians' they are talking about. I included these riots in the list of riots by Muslims in Europe I provided for you in a previous thread. Thank you for helping to prove my point even more conclusively.

The Notting Dale and Notting Hill riots were decades earlier. These were due to White racist attacks on Caribbean Blacks. This was a situation of a very different nature than riots with Muslims since the 1980s, as the Caribbean Blacks were directly responding to violent White racist gang attacks on their people. This can hardly be compared to riots by Muslims in Europe, where no such provocation existed.

[Fiddlerdave]

Originally Posted by Ought Six

Wow, you are totally clueless on that one, Dave. The Brixton riots you listed were by Muslims; the 'west Indian "Blacks"' and 'south Asians' they are talking about. I included these riots in the list of riots by Muslims in Europe I provided for you in a previous thread. Thank you for helping to prove my point even more conclusively.

The Notting Dale and Notting Hill riots were decades earlier. These were due to White racist attacks on Caribbean Blacks. This was a situation of a very different nature than riots with Muslims since the 1980s, as the Caribbean Blacks were directly responding to violent White racist gang attacks on their people. This can hardly be compared to riots by Muslims in Europe, where no such provocation existed.

You are right, in a teeny tiny sort of way. Although my major references to riots start in 1958, riots occurred for all those decades. Some of the rioters were Muslim, indeed, but many were not - they all were minorities hated by many of the whites, though, regardless of religion (Hindu included). Then, just as now, there are also attacks by your so-called "peaceable" locals to help get the violence going as well.

But what I had really forgotten is that in The World According to Ought, Muslims from ANY sect, ANY culture, ANY country in ANY part of the WORLD and ANY historical age, are all the same, identical, haters of peace and apparently, rapers of innocent pure White Women.

Sorry to tell you this, but what you claim is not true. Nor relevant to making your point.

Further your other fantasies:

"The rapes happened in heavily Muslim areas" WHAT rapes? Your references have a few apcryphal stories and all refrence the same specious "study" from 2002 somewhere by somebody of 111 cases that never mentions Muslims (yeah, that "airtight evidence" shore does prove everything you say! ). Some rapes certainly did happen in poor immigrant neighborhoods but rapes happen in rich white areas too!

"There were very low rate of rape in Europe until Muslim immigrants arrived. The rape rates then went up quite significantly, and the entire increase was due to young Muslim men!" Complete tripe. Not one reference you have shows any of this at all!

"The fact that the liberal Euro MSM suppresses this information and refuses to report on does not change the truth, either." Strangely, the Conservative press in Europe seems incapable of printing anything factual at all either! Hmm, have the evil Liberal-Left Muslim-Lovers subverted them too , or is it possible there are NO facts that "prove " this to print!?

"I hope there are no concentration camps and mass graves in the future of Europe." Oh, concentration camps and mass graves like those web pages you quote to "prove" your case wish would happen? Yeah, me too......

"But with indigenous residents of these nations feeling increasingly under threat from Islamist immigrants, and their governments doing so very little to stop it, this kind of reaction seems like it was inevitable." You "hope" so hard against the "inevitable" bloodshed, you make excuses for the violence and murder the "indigenous people" MUST perform on these deadly raping Muslims in advance! Quite decent of you, Ought! Quite decent!

[Brihard]

This thread s fast on it way to the dungeon. Careful.

You're both making statements that are statistical and criminological in nature. So provide statistics and research to back it up. One or the other of you ought to be able to do so.

[Ought Six]

Fd:

"But what I had really forgotten is that in The World According to Ought, Muslims from ANY sect, ANY culture, ANY country in ANY part of the WORLD and ANY historical age, are all the same, identical, haters of peace and apparently, rapers of innocent pure White Women. Sorry to tell you this, but what you claim is not true. Nor relevant to making your point."

Since I never said or claimed any such thing, what you are dealing with is your own fabrication.
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The statistics are already provided in the posted articles. For example, Sweden has a particularly bad problem. According to a study from the Swedish Crime Prevention Council, a rapist is four times more likely to be an immigrant than a native Swede. Considering that immigrants made up less than 5% of the population in 2005 when the study was done, that is an astounding statistic. One of the main sources of Muslim immigration has been Iraq, with people fleeing the war there.

The reality of exactly who these immigrant rapists really are is rarely spoke of in the press, and governments have stopped providing statistics on which ethnic groups are committing these rapes. But the truth is printed on occasion. Here is one example from Norway:



Here is more from Norway:

Oslo rape statistics shock


Two out of three charged with rape in Norway's capital are immigrants with a non-western
background according to a police study. The number of rape cases is also rising steadily.

Jonathan Tisdall
Aftenposten
May 9, 2001

The study is the first where the crime statistics have been analyzed according to ethnic origin. Of the 111 charged with rape in Oslo last year, 72 were of non-western ethnic origin, 25 are classified as Norwegian or western and 14 are listed as unknown. Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year. Nine out of ten cases do not make it to prosecution, most of them because police do not believe the evidence is sufficient to reach a conviction.

Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo's Vice, Robbery and Violent crime division says the statistics are surprising - the rising number of rape cases and the link to ethnic background are both clear trends. But Larsen does not want to speculate on the reasons behind the worrying developments.

While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo's population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background.

Larsen said that since this was the initial study examining ethnic make-up there were no existing figures to put the numbers into context. "Meanwhile, it is our general experience that this is an increasing tendency. We note this by the number of time we need to use interpreters in the course of an investigation," Larsen said.

Another clear indication of the problem is revealed in France, where 60-70% of the people incarcerated in French prisons are Muslims, though they make up only 12% of the population.

Dave and other PC types would have us believe this fact is "fantasy".

[Oric]

Europe recieves a lot of immigrants from Islamic countries O6. If those immigrants were of christian origin there would be more or less the same crime problem. Don't give me Hindu's as comparision. Those polite guys don't even hurt the animals !!

[Ought Six]

O:

"If those immigrants were of christian origin there would be more or less the same crime problem."

Sorry, Oric, but that is pure BS. Areas with a big influx from other groups have not experienced similar problems. We had a huge influx of Vietnamese when the Vietnam war ended. No rape epidemic. Millions of poor East Germans streamed into West Germany when the wall came down, forming large ghettos of working poor and unemployed people. No rape epidemic. Your claim is false.

[Oric]

o6 you have a lot of problems with "Latinos". Are they Muslims of central America ?

[Ought Six]

I listed the reasons for the general criminality. They are right there in the thread for you and everyone else to read, though you seem to be pretending otherwise.

And BTW, there is no Latino rape epidemic, either, though there are plenty of Latino ghettos here. Lots of gangs, though.

[Oric]

The logic stating "those reasons may hold for any other immigrant group" is for you and everyone else to deduct.

[Ought Six]

The reasons for general criminality are common to other groups. The rape epidemic is uniquely Muslim. In Africa, rape is commonly and openly used as a weapon by Islamist militias against non-Muslims. Again, it springs from Islamist clerics who try to justify it. You will simply not find that in other religions.

[Fiddlerdave]

Originally Posted by Ought Six

Fd:Since I never said or claimed any such thing, what you are dealing with is your own fabrication.
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The statistics are already provided in the posted articles.
...snip of BS and nonfactual "facts"

Dave and other PC types would have us believe this fact is "fantasy".

The "Oslo Police" have repeatedly provided considerable blog fodder White Separatist, David Duke, and those who are attempting to conflate problems into religious hate wars with thinly veiled "expressions of concern" over "rape epidemics".

Lets take a look at these "facts" of massive increases of rape, which of course the government is hiding, the press is hiding, everyone is hiding the issue except our friends, the Haters! "The Rape Epidemic" is certainly exciting fantasy for our White Separatists, that is for SURE!

The 2010 Oslo Post is quoting the Oslo police" as having investigated 41 assaults with rape in the last three years, and ALL were committed by immigrants, of course. If you read other more complete accounts in the White Separatist mags , we find that while many of the rapists were not caught, the women reported "dark skin" and foreign languages" on the part of the rapists, eliminating any of the "REAL" [i.e. white] Norwegians as suspects, of course.

This, according to 06, besides PROVING a MUSLIM RAPE EPIDEMIC, also PROVES a MASSIVE INCREASE in rape, as well,which are of course done by MIuslims because there are more non-veiled white-woman devouring dark Muslims present because these stupid countries let Muslims in, naturally.

However, we find a slight statistical problem - 06's report of the unnamed "Study" by an Oslo policeman in 2001 talks about 111 persons CHARGED with rape rape in ONE year, with MANY MORE UNCOUNTED IN THE STUDY!! Yet for a THREE YEAR PERIOD, 2007-2009, we ONLY have TOTAL 41 rapes in Oslo, charged or uncharged.

You would think that after a decade of doubling rape rates and doubling Muslim population, every woman in Oslo would be raped by now, but apparently the rate of the crimes have dropped considerably. Or that some reputable group willing to put their name on the study would give us a report. But nevermind, BE AFRAID! BE VERY AFRAID of the dark MUSLIM MENACE NEAR YOU! (I sure wish we had a dripping blood font!)

Originally Posted by 06

Another clear indication of the problem is revealed in France, where 60-70% of the people incarcerated in French prisons are Muslims, though they make up only 12% of the population.

Most Muslim immigrants are poor refugees, and are shunted into ghettos withthe usual side effects any ghetto population exhibits, along with demographic and cultural bias that help fill up the prisons with certain "types". France is a country where a woman's religiously required head scarf can be illegal, so we could expect the jail population to be lopsided.

Even countries based on "equality" like the USA are working hard to be fair in their treatment of different people, why just the other day we reduced the additional penalty for low budget crack cocaine to ONLY 18 TIMES the penalty for the favorite expensive drug of the well-to-do, cocaine! Let'ss ee, how far does it skew a jail population towards the poor or a selectively illegal religion if they receive most sentences in much longer periods than the wealthy? In statistical terms the "rape epidemic people can understand, A WHOLE BUNCH!

[Ought Six]

Fd:

"The "Oslo Police" have repeatedly provided considerable blog fodder White Separatist, David Duke, and those who are attempting to conflate problems into religious hate wars with thinly veiled "expressions of concern" over "rape epidemics"."

An attempt at 'slander by association', Dave? Why do you waste our time with silly BS like this.

It is okay, I know the answer. You cannot refute the statistics, so attacking the police who reported them is all you could come up with.
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"If you read other more complete accounts in the White Separatist mags...."

Another slander attempt, trying to falsely paint all the blogs that talk about the rape epidemic as "White seperatist", which is, of course, a flat-out lie. In fact, there are large amounts of newspaper articles on this topic, but unfortunately they are not in English.
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"However, we find a slight statistical problem - 06's report of the unnamed "Study" by an Oslo policeman in 2001 talks about 111 persons CHARGED with rape rape in ONE year, with MANY MORE UNCOUNTED IN THE STUDY!! Yet for a THREE YEAR PERIOD, 2007-2009, we ONLY have TOTAL 41 rapes in Oslo, charged or uncharged."

So we have a study with the organization that did clearly named. Dave says it is 'unnamed'. He calls it a "study" in quotes. These are typical disinformation tactics; trying to discredit through sneering and handwaving what he knows he cannot possibly refute. Apparently 41 rapes, all committed by Muslim men by early September is not much of a problem, according to Dave.

Things go so bad by summer 2006 that women were cautioned by police to not walk alone after dark. Norway used to be a very safe place. This article also notes the rate of rapes was rising sharply at that point.

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle1400041.ece
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Here is another incident that bears on this topic. A mufti in Copenhagen declared that women who do not wear headscarves are "asking for rape". A mufti is an Islamic scholar and jurist who interprets Islamic law to give guidance to Muslims on how to live their lives.

http://jimball.com.au/features/Polit...gen%20Post.htm

Sweden and other Noric countries have been slammed by Amnesty International because of very weak legal protections for women, and inadequate systems to encourage the reporting of sexual crimes. The vast majority of rapes go unreported.

http://www.thelocal.se/25396/20100308/

Another indication of the problem is what is happening to Jews in Malmo, Sweden.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...te-crimes.html

And in France, even CBS News is recognizing what is going on.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in617270.shtml

There is an undeniable pattern here. Empty denials do not change that fact.

So I have provided a lot of information here, Dave, which you have futilely tried to deny, diminish and dismiss. Where are *your* facts, figures and references that show that this is not really a problem? You have given us nothing thus far. Show us the data.

[dyrt]

Statistics nor apology for rapes will matter when the mobs form. Muslims and others can argue their innocence until the cows come home but if the rest of Europeans turn on them no logic will apply. Anybody that looks like an immigrant will be in danger. The historical upheavals were anything but rational.

And the trends do not look good.

[Ought Six]

That is precisely what I am afraid of. People can only take so much, and Europeans have reached their tolerance level. All it will take is one particularly bad incident that, for whatever reason, galvanizes the people and causes them to snap. Then all bets are off.

When that happens, much of the blood will be on the hands of those politically correct officials, activists and journalists who denied the problem, refused to report on the issue, refused to address it, and kept it hidden and festering until it exploded.

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So, Dave; how are you doing with those facts, statistics and references?

[Fiddlerdave]

So we have a study with the organization that did clearly named. Dave says it is 'unnamed'. He calls it a "study" in quotes. These are typical disinformation tactics; trying to discredit through sneering and handwaving what he knows he cannot possibly refute. Apparently 41 rapes, all committed by Muslim men by early September is not much of a problem, according to Dave.

The number are ridiculous compared with other numbers form the same "source", there is no "study", there may be some police statistics but they are presented rationally and the references to them make no sense. And NOWHERE does ANYTHING name "Muslim Men" -your assumptions about where the "immigrant men" so loosely referred to do not say where they are from historically and their religions, all are made up and very incomplete.

Things go so bad by summer 2006 that women were cautioned by police to not walk alone after dark. Norway used to be a very safe place. This article also notes the rate of rapes was rising sharply at that point.

Then why do we have the widely quoted "horror" article from 2001 that shows HIGHER numbers than the story from 2010?? This is all blog malarkey.

I am sure there are rapes, I am sure Muslim men commit some. A Muslim Male assailant rape "epidemic"? When? Now? 2005? 2001? 2000? 1970? What you present gives no idea.

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Here is another incident that bears on this topic. A mufti in Copenhagen declared that women who do not wear headscarves are "asking for rape". A mufti is an Islamic scholar and jurist who interprets Islamic law to give guidance to Muslims on how to live their lives.

Many men of many faiths say that, I hear t this day. We could use some context - is it a warning? A criticicsm? A grouchy comment? We have Christian religious leaders who justify AND MARRY girls who are 12 and 13, are they causing an epidemic? If so, let's see the numbers!

http://jimball.com.au/features/Polit...gen%20Post.htm

Sweden and other Noric countries have been slammed by Amnesty International because of very weak legal protections for women, and inadequate systems to encourage the reporting of sexual crimes. The vast majority of rapes go unreported.

YEs they were slammed bt Ansesty for not supporting their women with issues like date rape, and reporting, and police not acting on rape reports, which may certainly increase rapes. But sadly for your case, nothing about Muslim Rape gangs.

http://www.thelocal.se/25396/20100308/

Another indication of the problem is what is happening to Jews in Malmo, Sweden.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...te-crimes.html

And in France, even CBS News is recognizing what is going on.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in617270.shtml

There is an undeniable pattern here. Empty denials do not change that fact.

CBS is documenting rape issues in poor enclaves in France. I live in a rich white enclave in ORange County, CA, where a group of rich white kids drugged and gang raped (besides the usual male objects, included pool cues, lit cigarettes, cans of soup, and knives.) These boys were so ashamed of their behavior, they made a video and passed it around at school! The leader boy's father whose house it occurred at and who was a close associate of our county sheriff and was an honorary police leader, was so ashamed of his son's videotaped behavior, he has spent more than a million trying to get the boy proclaimed as an innocent victim of this nasty girl!

So that and some of the other cases around here proves we have a "White" rape epidemic in your world view? And those in France are rapes of immigrant women by immigrant men. They don't count in your warning, right?

So I have provided a lot of information here, Dave, which you have futilely tried to deny, diminish and dismiss. Where are *your* facts, figures and references that show that this is not really a problem? You have given us nothing thus far. Show us the data.

You have only shown one bit of one source of "data" - the Oslo police department, (there is no name of the 2001 mystery "study", which shows more rapes than in 2007-8-9, oh well, its proof to "FrontpageMag, that is all that matters!) which has introduced contradictory reports of "immigrant men" raping "Norwegian Heritage (White) women, along with the expert analysis that some women, like feminists, WANT to be raped so that is why nobody credible or findable says anything about this massive "epidemic".

[ukmum]

The rape epidemic is uniquely Muslim. In Africa, rape is commonly and openly used as a weapon by Islamist militias against non-Muslims. Again, it springs from Islamist clerics who try to justify it. You will simply not find that in other religions.

Rubbish, I could come up with masses of data about rape and religion, one example would be the rape of 20,000 Muslim women by Christian Serbian troops.


As for your Brixon riot "Muslims" ..what nonsence you speak....the way you go on every non white person is slowly becoming a dreaded Muslim in your eyes!!
Will be back later to discuss more, but I must take my children to school where ye gods 25% of the children are non white....hope they dont riot before pick up time.....

[ukmum]

An estimated 97 percent of the population identifies itself as Greek Orthodox. The remaining 3 percent is comprised of Muslims, Roman Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Old Calendarist Orthodox, Jehovah's Witnesses, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), Scientologists, Baha'is, Hare Krishna devotees, and followers of polytheistic Hellenic religions.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt...eur/136034.htm

The lead article stated that the bombs were by Neo-nazi's and against immigration centres, only one was specifically Muslim. There have been other attacks against other minorities for example a Jewish centre in recent months. I think this is more to do with Greeks financial turmoil than specific anti Muslim semntiments.


O6 I would like to see some statistics to back up the claims of "epidemic of Muslim rape" rather than links to blog articles.

I have searched for greek rape stats based on religion but cannot find any...maybe you can find them for me?