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Old 11-15-2010, 07:47 PM   #1
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Arrow China has the capability to destroy five of our six bases in the eastern Asia/western Pacific region

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-bases/?page=1
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This is a much more effective link:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-bases/?page=1
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So Ought..... what do you think of the artical?!
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:35 PM   #5
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The claim is correct. We have Patriot PAC-III & IV batteries at these bases that can intercept tactical ballistic missiles like the ones that the Chinese are using. But the Chinese have such large numbers of them that a saturation attack would easily overwhelm those defenses. I think that our bases are, in fact, as vulnerable as the article suggests.

An Aegis cruiser or destroyer or two on station would change the calculus significantly in our favor so far as Chinese tactical ballistic missiles, but that ties down some of our most powerful ships near these bases. And not all of them are near enough to a coastline for that to work. I am in favor of a permanent land-based Aegis installation at these bases to better defend them. That could be done without too much trouble, but considering the military's budget woes, it seems unlikely unless the Congress mandates it.

The cruise missile threat is a tougher problem. Cruise missiles hide down in the terrain. so a combination of AWACS and modern fighters with look-down/shoot-down RADAR capability would be needed to stop them, along with a layered SAM defense close in to the bases. With the large numbers of cruise missiles involved, we would need to seriously increase our fighter strength in the region in order to adequately defend those bases against this threat. Something like a land-based Sea Ram system would be very helpful as the inner defense layer. That would be quite easily doable. Again though, budget realities make this sort of thing unlikely.

We are almost certain not to take adequate defensive measures, and thus we are setting ourselves up for another Pearl Harbor.
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How many Chinese bases can we destroy at the same time?
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How many Chinese bases can we destroy at the same time?
That is a point that is missed more often than not.

We are still working on "mutually assured destruction".

No one can guarantee 100% protection from enemy attack. You wouldn't want to live that way.

What we can guarantee is that if someone, like China, were to saturate bomb a base (nuke or not) they are going to get it in kind.

Yes, it would be bad to lose those bases, but it would would be worse for China, and their economy if they were to lose some major shipping ports like Dalian, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Shanghai, Nanjing, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ports_in_China
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Absolutely true. We have hordes of Tomahawk cruise missiles that we can sit back and launch from beyond the range of Chinese defenses, and there is little they could do to defend against such a saturation attack. That is a strong deterrent to be sure, but I still believe that leaving our bases vulnerable is a huge mistake.
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