Go Back   This Blue Marble, a Global Current Events Discussion Forum > Main Floor > Politics

Politics Step up and make your case on all manner of political topics.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 01-12-2011, 02:19 PM   #1
Ought Six
Dismember
 
Ought Six's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 35,164
Blog Entries: 15
Thanks: 176
Thanked 390 Times in 326 Posts
Arrow The fedgov mandates that we all pay for free cellphones for the poor

https://www.safelinkwireless.com/Enr...blic/home.aspx

This is an unfunded federal mandate on the telecoms which no doubt gets passed right along to the rest of us cellphone customers are part of the cost of doing business.

https://www.safelinkwireless.com/Enr.../benefits.aspx
__________________
* I have the right to live, thus I have the right to defend my life from attackers who would take it from me.
* I have the right to my private property, thus I have the right to defend my property from thieves who would take it from me.
* I have the right to self-determination, thus I have the right to defend my liberty from tyrants who would take it from me.
* The only usable tools for these tasks are guns, and thus I have the right to shoot anyone who would take my guns from me.
Ought Six is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2011, 02:29 PM   #2
leistb
Senior Level 6
 
leistb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 8,377
Thanks: 274
Thanked 560 Times in 326 Posts
A picture of what should be the Obamaphone...

leistb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2011, 03:00 PM   #3
Kassy
Eurothrash
 
Kassy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: EU ~ NL ~ 0 0 0
Posts: 8,422
Thanks: 237
Thanked 260 Times in 215 Posts
But the second link says it's from the Reagan era?
__________________
Free hugs
Kassy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2011, 03:11 PM   #4
leistb
Senior Level 6
 
leistb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 8,377
Thanks: 274
Thanked 560 Times in 326 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kassy View Post
But the second link says it's from the Reagan era?
Therefore it must continue?
leistb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2011, 03:18 PM   #5
Potemkin
Omne ignotum pro magnifico
 
Potemkin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 22,963
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 63
Thanked 1,466 Times in 927 Posts
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/

SafeLink Wireless, the program mentioned in the e-mail, does indeed offer a cell phone, about one hour’s worth of calling time per month, and other wireless services like voice mail to eligible low-income households. Applicants have to apply and prove that they are either receiving certain types of government benefits, such as Medicaid, or have household incomes at or below 135 percent of the poverty line. Using 2009 poverty guidelines, that’s $14,620 for an individual and a little under $30,000 for a family of four, with slightly higher amounts for Alaska and Hawaii.
__________________
When surfing online remember Sturgeon's Law: "90% of everything is cr@p."

© Gregori Potemkin. All rights reserved. But wait . . . fair use allowed and encouraged. Actually, go 'head and publish the whole thing as is. I don't care.
Potemkin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2011, 03:23 PM   #6
Twoolf
Searcher for Truth and a good Carpachio
 
Twoolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: West Central Florida
Posts: 4,389
Thanks: 647
Thanked 538 Times in 356 Posts
I would have no problem with it if all it did was call 911.
__________________
----------------------------------------------------------

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. R.A.H.

“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
~1797 - John Adams
Twoolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2011, 03:25 PM   #7
Ought Six
Dismember
 
Ought Six's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 35,164
Blog Entries: 15
Thanks: 176
Thanked 390 Times in 326 Posts
Arrow

It is a prepaid plan. The average price for prepaid minutes is around 25¢ per minute. So an hour would be $15, times 12 months would be $180 a year. There is also a usage fee that averages $2 a day for every day the phone is actually used. If the user made a lot of short calls on different days, that could really add up.
__________________
* I have the right to live, thus I have the right to defend my life from attackers who would take it from me.
* I have the right to my private property, thus I have the right to defend my property from thieves who would take it from me.
* I have the right to self-determination, thus I have the right to defend my liberty from tyrants who would take it from me.
* The only usable tools for these tasks are guns, and thus I have the right to shoot anyone who would take my guns from me.
Ought Six is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2011, 04:55 PM   #8
Lars
berserkergang
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Carmel, IN
Posts: 4,039
Thanks: 4
Thanked 109 Times in 74 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
It is a prepaid plan. The average price for prepaid minutes is around 25¢ per minute. So an hour would be $15, times 12 months would be $180 a year. There is also a usage fee that averages $2 a day for every day the phone is actually used. If the user made a lot of short calls on different days, that could really add up.
Dope pushers have to make a lot of short calls on different days; pimps not so many.
__________________
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."

~Ronald Reagan
Lars is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2011, 05:15 PM   #9
Potemkin
Omne ignotum pro magnifico
 
Potemkin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 22,963
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 63
Thanked 1,466 Times in 927 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twoolf View Post
I would have no problem with it if all it did was call 911.

Yes I know how you feel but you have to remember, this is probably the only phone they have.

They have to be able to accept calls when someone want to hire them and get them off the dole.
__________________
When surfing online remember Sturgeon's Law: "90% of everything is cr@p."

© Gregori Potemkin. All rights reserved. But wait . . . fair use allowed and encouraged. Actually, go 'head and publish the whole thing as is. I don't care.
Potemkin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2011, 05:57 PM   #10
Samen
unregistered
 
Samen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,864
Thanks: 111
Thanked 267 Times in 187 Posts
25¢ minute for pre paid sounds high.

7¢ € a minute and 7¢ € for a SMS here, no daily usage fees or inactivity fees, voice mail 1 € a month extra, no incoming call fee.
Start up for prepaid 7€ includes a sim card and 7€ worth of call time, no names asked pick up at any kiosk.
New Samsung phones for 19 € Nokias for 29 € no names asked.
Samen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2011, 06:09 PM   #11
Ought Six
Dismember
 
Ought Six's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 35,164
Blog Entries: 15
Thanks: 176
Thanked 390 Times in 326 Posts
Arrow

The range here is from 10-33¢ per minute, with most plans on the higher side of the range.
__________________
* I have the right to live, thus I have the right to defend my life from attackers who would take it from me.
* I have the right to my private property, thus I have the right to defend my property from thieves who would take it from me.
* I have the right to self-determination, thus I have the right to defend my liberty from tyrants who would take it from me.
* The only usable tools for these tasks are guns, and thus I have the right to shoot anyone who would take my guns from me.
Ought Six is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2011, 06:47 PM   #12
LvDemWings
Wingy Spud
 
LvDemWings's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 4,082
Thanks: 10
Thanked 487 Times in 322 Posts
My prepaid (Virgin) is $0.25 a minute to talk and $0.10 per text. There is no daily use fee, monthly maintenance fee or activation fee but I must put at least $20 on the phone every 90 days for it to keep my phone number. All unused funds roll over. Its expensive to use if you want to chat with friends/family but since I have it primarily for emergencies and when I'm traveling I roll over funds almost every quarter.
__________________
Federal lands, monuments, and waterways belong to We The People... not we the government.
LvDemWings is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2011, 08:22 PM   #13
Potemkin
Omne ignotum pro magnifico
 
Potemkin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 22,963
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 63
Thanked 1,466 Times in 927 Posts
Twitter and Internet/WWW for the poor.

http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/...ntProfile=1058
__________________
When surfing online remember Sturgeon's Law: "90% of everything is cr@p."

© Gregori Potemkin. All rights reserved. But wait . . . fair use allowed and encouraged. Actually, go 'head and publish the whole thing as is. I don't care.
Potemkin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2011, 06:42 AM   #14
Samen
unregistered
 
Samen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,864
Thanks: 111
Thanked 267 Times in 187 Posts
Giving stuff for free is always a bit of a hot potato, but as the poorest are on welfare, could one look at the phones as welfare?
As Potes above link showed having aces to the internet is pretty vital these days, and I C it as a vital part of being able to communicate in today's world, maybe it should be a right welfare covers instead of a phone.

Not that it interests many but its done pretty much below over here.
Finland being a pretty socialist country docent give phones, but for free or for the price of a cigarette pack one can obtain a used phone so that's not hard to save up on welfare, and no credit is needed to get prepaid working.
What is guarantied here is a 1 Mb internet connection if you are poor it is payed by the welfare agency, and a decent 5 year old computer with an Windows xp os. can be picked up from a recycling center for 50 € if one saves up to get one one respects it more. http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html
Samen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2011, 02:39 PM   #15
Ought Six
Dismember
 
Ought Six's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 35,164
Blog Entries: 15
Thanks: 176
Thanked 390 Times in 326 Posts
Arrow

S:
Quote:
"Giving stuff for free is always a bit of a hot potato, but as the poorest are on welfare, could one look at the phones as welfare?"
Of course. It is a federally mandated social program, even if it is entirely administered by the private sector. So yes, it is just another form of welfare at the expense of us.
__________________
* I have the right to live, thus I have the right to defend my life from attackers who would take it from me.
* I have the right to my private property, thus I have the right to defend my property from thieves who would take it from me.
* I have the right to self-determination, thus I have the right to defend my liberty from tyrants who would take it from me.
* The only usable tools for these tasks are guns, and thus I have the right to shoot anyone who would take my guns from me.
Ought Six is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2011, 04:19 PM   #16
dreadstalker
Member Level 4
 
dreadstalker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: behind you
Posts: 551
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twoolf View Post
I would have no problem with it if all it did was call 911.
any cell phone that the batttery is charged up on will dial 911
__________________
LIVE FREE & DIE WELL
dreadstalker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2011, 05:28 PM   #17
Samen
unregistered
 
Samen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,864
Thanks: 111
Thanked 267 Times in 187 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
S:Of course. It is a federally mandated social program, even if it is entirely administered by the private sector. So yes, it is just another form of welfare at the expense of us.
OK. Google should chip in, they love to collect information, who, where, why and the FedGov must love it, being able to locate and observe the poor, as the rest are already under control.
Samen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2011, 05:35 PM   #18
clutterbug
Member Level 2
 
clutterbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 202
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I cannot begin to tell you how this really pisses me off: Once more, these people expect to live a middle class lifestyle while they are on welfare.

The tv commercials for this service show a mother saying she likes to keep in touch with her kid, she worries, blah blah blah so the phone is great cuz she can keep him safe. Now why the hell is this woman having kids if she can't afford to support them? And why do I have to pay so she doesn't have to worry about her kid (ya know: the one she shouldn't have had till she could support herself?) anyway.

If they want to talk to their families, get a job to pay for a phone. Like I did.
__________________
avatar text: In one ear & out the other.
clutterbug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2011, 05:41 PM   #19
Ought Six
Dismember
 
Ought Six's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 35,164
Blog Entries: 15
Thanks: 176
Thanked 390 Times in 326 Posts
Arrow

cb:
Quote:
I cannot begin to tell you how this really pisses me off: Once more, these people expect to live a middle class lifestyle while they are on welfare.

The tv commercials for this service show a mother saying she likes to keep in touch with her kid, she worries, blah blah blah so the phone is great cuz she can keep him safe. Now why the hell is this woman having kids if she can't afford to support them? And why do I have to pay so she doesn't have to worry about her kid (ya know: the one she shouldn't have had till she could support herself?) anyway.

If they want to talk to their families, get a job to pay for a phone. Like I did.
^^^ THIS! ^^^
__________________
* I have the right to live, thus I have the right to defend my life from attackers who would take it from me.
* I have the right to my private property, thus I have the right to defend my property from thieves who would take it from me.
* I have the right to self-determination, thus I have the right to defend my liberty from tyrants who would take it from me.
* The only usable tools for these tasks are guns, and thus I have the right to shoot anyone who would take my guns from me.
Ought Six is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2011, 11:34 PM   #20
Feather
Secretly laughing at the cat
 
Feather's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Iowa
Posts: 6,802
Thanks: 2,418
Thanked 468 Times in 316 Posts
The phones I've seen people using at the pharmacy I go to is amazing. The pharmacy is part of the county hospital, I go because the choice is to go or drop over dead, I prefer life. I see people there with blackberries and those new droid ones. They sit there waiting to go in to see a dr and watch tv on their phones. They wait in line to get their meds, some of the women have the long salon nails and salon dyed hair, designer clothes and some of them even have grills. And they have the latest phones. Not the cheap ones, the high end ones. One gal came in, talking on her phone and bragging about how much she spent on it (over $200).

I don't deny that some do need a way of staying safe and a phone that can call 911 will help. That's why we donated the phones we had when my friend up-graded our service. I Know my limits and know I can't afford one but a friend insisted on giving me one on her family plan. She's afraid I'll have another heart attack or fall again and need to call for help.
__________________
Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever. ~ Mahatma Gandhi
Feather is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 10:47 AM   #21
ob1
Member Level 5
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Corpus Christi ,Texas
Posts: 809
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
People that couldn't afford phones used to use pay phones once upon a time.Maybe it would be cheaper to issue pay phone tokens.
ob1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 10:56 AM   #22
CanadaSue
SuperModerator
 
CanadaSue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: In my gardens or online
Posts: 24,372
Blog Entries: 28
Thanks: 765
Thanked 2,192 Times in 1,344 Posts
I see it here too. Does everybody in the world have a cell phone but us? We'd love to have one for two reasons: calling 911 if out of the house & for: "Honey, I missed the bus, I'll be an hour late, don't worry" or "I knew I forgot something on the grocery list - could you get a green pepper for the stir fry tonight?"

We can't afford it. I'd thought of saving for a cheap, (on sale), pay as you go phone, then discovered if you buy a card that loads say... $10 on your phone, you have to use it THAT MONTH! It doesn't roll over. Screw that - we'll remain phoneless.
__________________
If a man speaks where no woman can hear, is he still wrong?
CanadaSue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 11:34 AM   #23
Cactus Az
Member Level 5
 
Cactus Az's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: held hostage in NM
Posts: 839
Thanks: 241
Thanked 42 Times in 36 Posts
I had a cell once upon a time. I was working,could afford it. then I realized that I maybe used 5 minutes a month.
what a waste of money. so, when the contract ran out,I got rid of it.
I fail to see why you have to be in contact with everyone at all times.

My kids just shake their heads, and keep on using those droids.

Sigh..........
Cactus Az is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2011, 02:37 PM   #24
Potemkin
Omne ignotum pro magnifico
 
Potemkin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 22,963
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 63
Thanked 1,466 Times in 927 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by ob1 View Post
People that couldn't afford phones used to use pay phones once upon a time.Maybe it would be cheaper to issue pay phone tokens.
Good luck with that.

Pay phone unplugged after costing Davison County $69 per call
http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/news...cc4c03286.html
__________________
When surfing online remember Sturgeon's Law: "90% of everything is cr@p."

© Gregori Potemkin. All rights reserved. But wait . . . fair use allowed and encouraged. Actually, go 'head and publish the whole thing as is. I don't care.
Potemkin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2011, 04:49 PM   #25
ob1
Member Level 5
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Corpus Christi ,Texas
Posts: 809
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Potemkin View Post
Good luck with that.

Pay phone unplugged after costing Davison County $69 per call
http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/news...cc4c03286.html
My hopes and dreams just up and vanished like a fart in the wind.
ob1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cellphones, fedgov, free, mandates, pay, poor

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:32 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright © Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.