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Old 04-23-2011, 09:21 PM   #1
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Default GOP Kingmakers Wipe Tea Party Seats Off Map

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Old 04-24-2011, 05:46 PM   #2
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The first thing we do, let's kill all the Old Guard GOP.
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Old 04-24-2011, 05:58 PM   #3
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This is hardly surprising. The new Tea Party members have openly defied the Repub congressional leadership, voting against them on several occasions and talking smack about the House leadership. Of course there was retaliation.

This could easily backfire on the Repubs. The Tea Party movement is a large part of the reason Repubs were able to take back the House. They will need them to take the Senate and the White House in 2012. If the Tea Party philosophy continues to grow in popularity, the redistricting may not prevent the loss of a number of GOP seats to Tea Party people. And if the retaliation continues and gets even worse, the Tea Party could split off from the Republican Party entirely and form their own independent party, which would be a disaster for the Repubs in upcoming elections. It would also mean an independent voting bloc in the House that would have significant animosity towards the Repub leadership; a voting bloc big enough to swing House votes one way or the other. It could also mean the end of the Repub majority in the House, if enough Repub members switch parties to a new independent Tea Party. So the Repubs, in their arrogance, could conceivably bring down some severe pain upon themselves if they keep trying to crush the Tea Party.
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Old 04-24-2011, 07:42 PM   #4
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I think the Tea Party will not have the same effect as during the last election. Re-districting is only one way the energy is being drained away. Trump is another. Many of the local leadership groups have been infiltrated or have splintered.

The Tea Party caught the entrenched Repubs and Dems unaware and put them off balance. It won't happen again next year.
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The Old Guards know there is not a chance in hell of defeating Obama in 2012 because they have no viable candidate and its only 18 months until Election Day. So, just like the Dems in 1984 and the Republicans in 1996, they will put forth a sacrifical lamb and focus on congressional politics. A cynic would say the Republicans will also ensure that nothing useful (including real budget reform) will happen for the next 5 1/2 years because the last thing they want is a Democrat president getting credit for something like that. It stings the Republicans everytime the Dems insist that Clinton balanced the budget (even though he did not really). I tend to agree with the cynics.
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Old 04-25-2011, 02:15 PM   #6
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"The Old Guards know there is not a chance in hell of defeating Obama in 2012 because they have no viable candidate and its only 18 months until Election Day."
While I agree the prospects look dim at this point, I remember the very same thing being said in 1979. The best Repub prospect was a semi-famous actor, union leader and ex-Cali Governor who had already got his butt kicked in the primaries in the last presidential election. He did not have a chance in hell. He was widely ridiculed by the media and fellow Repubs. His name was Ronald Reagan.
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I remember when the "Old Guards" of the Democrat party said there was no way that anyone would beat Daddy Bush so all their known power pushers stayed out of the race. A young governor named Clinton was their sacrifice.
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There is a strong and growing 'anybody but Obama' sentiment in America. If unemployment stays high, the economy stays weak and energy prices remain high through November 2012 (all quite likely), the White House will be in the Repub's pocket unless they run an incredibly bad candidate.
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There is a strong and growing 'anybody but Obama' sentiment in America. If unemployment stays high, the economy stays weak and energy prices remain high through November 2012 (all quite likely), the White House will be in the Repub's pocket unless they run an incredibly bad candidate.
Or Trump runs as an independent and splits off the birther vote.

Another guess is that the Dems will run an Obama challenger. Trump's mission could be to open up space for that possibility.

He is trashing Obama, linking the birther issue more strongly to the Tea Party and Republicans, sucking the media air away from repub candidates and making them spend money they will need later.
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Once people look at Trump's record and what he is actually said in the past, I would be shocked if he broke 1% of the popular vote.
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Trump could certainly blowout any chance of an otherwise strong Republican candidate winning. Like Perot did to Bush in 1992.
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Once people look at Trump's record and what he is actually said in the past, I would be shocked if he broke 1% of the popular vote.
And what about my second scenario; he is trashing Obama at the same time he is pumping up the birthers to create space for one of his favorite Democrats.
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If that happens, I think it would be an unintended consequence, as opposed to a 'mission'. I think that Trump is an egomaniacal blowhard who only goes on missions to aggrandize the Donald.
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And what about my second scenario; he is trashing Obama at the same time he is pumping up the birthers to create space for one of his favorite Democrats.
don't forget his "favorite democrat" is the one who started the whole "birther" issue
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If that happens, I think it would be an unintended consequence, as opposed to a 'mission'. I think that Trump is an egomaniacal blowhard who only goes on missions to aggrandize the Donald.
Yes, well, he is that . . . but I also think there is power and treasure in being a king maker. Running for president certainly has its benefits. People give you money and cameras follow you around . . . until the election is over, but being BFF with a grateful president opens some really big big doors.
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Trump is a walking, talking circus. For now, he is hot. The media love him because he is interesting and different. They will soon tire of his act, and then the knives will come out. It will be very, very easy to bring him down. I do not think that he will not be a 'kingmaker' in any sense of the term. We shall see.
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don't forget his "favorite democrat" is the one who started the whole "birther" issue
Do you mean the former First Lady and Senator from New York and now Secretary of State? Is it the wife of one of the most cunning politicians of my lifetime that made it an early lifetime goal to be the first woman president? Is that who you are talking about?

I agree with O6. Trump is out for Trump. He will benefit from his new hobby if it is only self promotion or more complicated political calculations. There is no doubt though that he is picking his subjects carefully. He is putting birther and other conspiracy theories closer to the main stream Republican party at the same time he is the child in the crowd claiming that King Obama has no clothes. He is courting the red meat repubs for primary traction and if he wins Iowa then the rest of the repubs are wounded. I think that would open a huge door for a Democrat challenger to Obama whether intentional or not.

The TPs also benefit because the repubs will have to move in to Trump's space to get attention.
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Trump is just having a showy beginning because he's saying what we are all thinking. Ron Paul just announced his running, now all we need is for McCain to announce his and we can have a replay of the last election.
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Trump is a populist. He has already flip-flopped on abortion, gay marriage, on Obama's competence, Bush's competence, socialized medicine, tax cuts and whether he is a Dem or Repub. He goes whichever way the wind blows, and all those flip-flops are on the record. If the Donald runs in the primaries, they are going to be plastered all over his opponent's campaign ads. I do not think he will survive long after that.
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