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Old 11-20-2011, 06:19 PM   #1
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Default Police suspended for use of pepper spray on UC Davis Students

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...-on-leave.html

A video that showed an officer dousing a group of students who were huddled on the ground Friday quickly went viral on the Internet, drawing outrage and calls for the chancellor's resignation.


“I spoke with students this weekend, and I feel their outrage,” UC Davis Chancellor Linda P.B. Katehi said in a statement. “I am deeply saddened that this happened on our campus, and as chancellor, I take full responsibility for the incident. However, I pledge to take the actions needed to ensure that this does not happen again."

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Old 11-20-2011, 06:38 PM   #2
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The school administrator ordered the student encampment removed. How did she think that the police were going to accomplish this task? Then, when there was some bad press, the administrator threw the chief of the school police under the bus to desperately try to cover her own ass. What a profile in courage!
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Oh, that kind of mace.
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Old 11-21-2011, 09:15 AM   #5
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UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza told CBS News
the officers responded with pepper spray because
they felt threatened.




The university's faculty association called on Chancellor Katehi to resign,
saying her authorization of excessive use of force against protesters
showed "a gross failure of leadership." But she defended her
leadership and said she had no plans to step down.





Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz1eLRO4jy8

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The school administrator ordered the student encampment removed. How did she think that the police were going to accomplish this task? Then, when there was some bad press, the administrator threw the chief of the school police under the bus to desperately try to cover her own ass. What a profile in courage!


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Old 11-21-2011, 11:58 AM   #6
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Nazis

That is grounds to attack and beat up the cops in most of Europe, IMO in US also.
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Old 11-21-2011, 12:15 PM   #7
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"Hey, I know, let's provoke a response!"

The Man: "Please move off the path."

"Hell no we won't go!"

The Man: "Please move."

"Hell no we won't go!"

PSSSSTTTTTT

"OMG! they sprayed us with OC! It burns."

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What they need is a stun gun which the two probes fit on your fingers discretely.

Walk up behind the protesters, two fingers, lightly touch their back.

Something like this with two probes.



No nightmare PR photographs.
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Old 11-21-2011, 04:22 PM   #8
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Me thinks not.

Calmly walking by and spraying chemicals that can do permanent damage and cause intense pain on peoples faces when they are not doing physical harm to anyone is showing what America has come to.

The right way to handle situations like this is to drive a wan nearby, manhandle the protesters in and drive them away.

Now one could question...1-2-3

Are the cops 2 lazy to do the right thing or afraid of their uniforms getting soiled (looking at this one smiling fat fart parading in front of the camera).

Is this the new way, physically harm anyone who docent obey the regime (gas chambers are the next step).

Or is it the exes Lawyers that have decided that workers comp for the cops manhandling anyone from the ground to wan is a bigger chance than anyone being able sue the police as THEY have helped draft the laws that prevent individuals for getting compensation in almost any case where police and crowd control is involved.
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Is this the chosen method to subordinate the last of people who possibly might end up as part of the intellectuals.


The lower class big city slum scum has been oppressed in other ways, not that anyone dares to stop a possible drunk driver in such a city, or even venture into the ares after dark with a lone patrol car.

The game is lost in both cases.
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How could they feel threatened by the ones SITTING?

If they had sprayed the group standing around, pushing closer...okay, I might understand more but Samen is right...the way to stop a 'sit in' is to pick up the people sitting and move them to a van and arrest them and process them.

They did it in years past here without pepper spray...why do they need pepper spray now?
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They did it in years past here without pepper spray...why do they need pepper spray now?

Your are right, OC is a new tactic.

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So you are saying we have not come any further in coping with protests than the civil rights beatings? bah...

http://blogs.amctv.com/mad-men/2010/...ey-sit-ins.php
http://www.examiner.com/today-histor...dest-groom-103
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Maybe the cops won't feel threatened if we do the flower thing again?
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He is saying the baton was the tool used to control people, until it was largely replaced by pepper spray. If pepper spray is not used, the only remaining tools are the baton and the Taser.
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Because todays law enforcement are taught that an injured officer costs the city/agency/college far more than a can of pepper spray does. There are other ways to disperse crowds, yes, even the peaceful sitting on their ass ones, but again, a can of spray is much cheaper, and the other means are not practical yet, outside of DARPA's budget.

Besides, if you go hands on with a subject, you might hurt them, so many policies do not allow that as a first option. If you dont get up, I will be forced to yank and tug on you, and thats gonna hurt, I guarantee it. Resist further, as in when I yank you, you tense up or push back, then its on and somehow, someway, probably not beneficial to you, I will get you into a set of matching bracelets. Pepper spray does not leave bruises, break bones, crush skulls, yank an arm out of a socket, etc. Does it suck ass to get sprayed? Yep, it aint fun, neither is CS, but the effects are over rather quickly. I carried spray on duty and I am certified in the State of Arizona to carry, having been qualified in a AZ Department Of Public Safety approved course of instruction. During said course, we got sprayed. Bout the same as sitting on your ass doing nothing, only we were standing in a line and got it straight in the face. 15 minutes in the bathroom and all good and back to class. Cant remember how many times I have been CS'd.

Again, when you are lawfully asked to remove yourself from some one elses property and you refuse, expect the shit hammer to fall. When its over, look in the mirror for the dumbass you need to blame.
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Dont forget the ASP Ought. The baton was replaced by the ASP and OC replaced Mace, while the Taser is the best hand-held non-lethal device.
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Dont forget the ASP Ought. The baton was replaced by the ASP and OC replaced Mace, while the Taser is the best hand-held non-lethal device.
When you say "the ASP", I assume you are talking about expandable batons?
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He is saying the baton was the tool used to control people, until it was largely replaced by pepper spray. If pepper spray is not used, the only remaining tools are the baton and the Taser.
Followed by tear gas and rubber bullets.

Pepper spray seems the most innocuous, overall.

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Because todays law enforcement are taught that an injured officer costs the city/agency/college far more than a can of pepper spray does. There are other ways to disperse crowds, yes, even the peaceful sitting on their ass ones, but again, a can of spray is much cheaper, and the other means are not practical yet, outside of DARPA's budget.

Besides, if you go hands on with a subject, you might hurt them, so many policies do not allow that as a first option. If you dont get up, I will be forced to yank and tug on you, and thats gonna hurt, I guarantee it. Resist further, as in when I yank you, you tense up or push back, then its on and somehow, someway, probably not beneficial to you, I will get you into a set of matching bracelets. Pepper spray does not leave bruises, break bones, crush skulls, yank an arm out of a socket, etc. Does it suck ass to get sprayed? Yep, it aint fun, neither is CS, but the effects are over rather quickly. I carried spray on duty and I am certified in the State of Arizona to carry, having been qualified in a AZ Department Of Public Safety approved course of instruction. During said course, we got sprayed. Bout the same as sitting on your ass doing nothing, only we were standing in a line and got it straight in the face. 15 minutes in the bathroom and all good and back to class. Cant remember how many times I have been CS'd.

Again, when you are lawfully asked to remove yourself from some one elses property and you refuse, expect the shit hammer to fall. When its over, look in the mirror for the dumbass you need to blame.
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Most people looking from the citizens side don't have a clue the protocol officers go through in carrying out a crowd control without either injuring someone or getting injured themselves.
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Yeah, we trained with bayonets. Pepper spray, way more pleasant.
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This has been all over the news here, it's just North of me.

Here's the deal, the protestors were asked to leave the campus at dusk. All UC's and CSU's are operating with a skeleton police force. The Campus police could not maintain a safe environment for the protestors or the campus so the protestors were asked to leave and come back in the morning.

The protestors refused. In fact, they sat down and locked arms. They were asked to leave or face arrest and/or pepper spray. After the 2nd warning, two of the more intelligent students got up and left. The remaining protestors were given one last warning/choice: leave peacefully or face pepper spray and arrest.

They all chose pepper spray. Boo-effing-hoo.
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In a longer video clip that I watched and which showed far more than just the spray portion of the incident, the student mob that wasn't seated decided to "peacefully" surround the police. This was done through one of the mic check commands and it was bizarre how the students complied and then appeared to surround some of the officers, albeit at a stand-off distance. I think that escalated the situation and led the officers to decide to use pepper spray in order to clear the sidewalk and thus re-establish connection with the rest of their force.
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I would bet there would be less of an issue if it was in AZ or NYC but this is NorCal. And here is a bit from one of my links on their history:

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In September of 1964, the University of California, Berkeley, banned students from using campus property to raise funds or generate support for off-campus political causes. On Sep. 29, when eight students were expelled for violating the ban, several hundred demonstrators organized a campus sit-in. Two days later, police charged former grad student Jack Weinberg with trespassing after he attempted to raise money for the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. As Weinberg was carted off campus in a police car, students thwarted the vehicle's path. Over the course of the next 32 hours, as many as 3,500 protesters crowded around the captive car, rocking it and denouncing the university from its roof.
32 HOURS?

It would shock me to find none of the students sprayed knew the history of where they were sitting. THAT is why it seems so far out of line.

Kinda like if any cop fired a gun at Kent State. SHTF time...ya know?

Edit: I'm pretty sure I'd feel different if it happened elsewhere. And the more I think of it based on that, the more I see the Chancellor taking a fall for what happened. Yeah, at UC Davis, she should have come out to talk with the students herself. That is what would be expected. It IS all about location.
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Default Pepper spray meme

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It's only a couple days old and I'm tired of the spraying cop meme already.

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