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Old 02-02-2012, 03:26 PM   #1
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Default Ron Paul: Romney's VP?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...y.html?hpid=z1

For Romney and Paul, a strategic alliance between establishment and outsider



By Amy Gardner, Published: February 1

RENO, NEV. — The remaining candidates in the winnowed Republican presidential field are attacking one another with abandon, each day bringing fresh headlines of accusations and outrage.

But Mitt Romney and Ron Paul haven’t laid a hand on each other.

They never do.

Despite deep differences on a range of issues, Romney and Paul became friends in 2008, the last time both ran for president. So did their wives, Ann Romney and Carol Paul. The former Massachusetts governor compliments the Texas congressman during debates, praising Paul’s religious faith during the last one, in Jacksonville, Fla. Immediately afterward, as is often the case, the Pauls and the Romneys gravitated toward one another to say hello.

The Romney-Paul alliance is more than a curious connection. It is a strategic partnership: for Paul, an opportunity to gain a seat at the table if his long-shot bid for the presidency fails; for Romney, a chance to gain support from one of the most vibrant subgroups within the Republican Party.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:40 PM   #2
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That would be.....interesting, to say the least.
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Strange bedfellows.
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Strange bedfellows.
Less so than some of the other Republican candidates.
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I'd like to see it. I figure Romney has the nomination. If Paul isn't going to be president, I guess VP would be the best bet for him having any influence.
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:58 AM   #6
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That would be a "huge" disappointment for me to think that Ron Paul would stoop low enough to team up with with someone like Romney. It is Ron Paul's uncompromising positions throughout the years on many of the issues that I admire so much about him. But even if that did happen, I still would not support them in any general election. Hell no, I am not voting for any of those neocon Republicans!
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Just wanted to add to my above post, I am pretty sure Obama will be president again for 4 more years. So be it...
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Interesting if true. I think the more accepted wisdom is Marco Rubio as VP.
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Old 02-03-2012, 01:54 PM   #9
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I am not voting for any of those neocon Republicans!
Greta, I sympathize. It would be hard to find a more sincere Ron Paul supporter than I; I've invested a good chunk of cash in his campaign.

That being said, if he doesn't get the nomination—and sadly, he won't—then a vote that doesn't go to Romney is one that goes to Obama. That is a vote for socialism, for redistributionism, for communalism, for loss of our most basic rights. For evil.

I hop you will reconsider.
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Greta, I sympathize. It would be hard to find a more sincere Ron Paul supporter than I; I've invested a good chunk of cash in his campaign.

That being said, if he doesn't get the nomination—and sadly, he won't—then a vote that doesn't go to Romney is one that goes to Obama. That is a vote for socialism, for redistributionism, for communalism, for loss of our most basic rights. For evil.

I hop you will reconsider.
I am not ashamed to say that I voted for Obama (the lesser of two evils strategy) mainly due to the McCain/Palin ticket which was scarier than hell. However, I am not going down that road anymore. Most importantly, my conscience will not allow me to vote for someone like Romney.
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I am not ashamed to say that I voted for Obama (the lesser of two evils strategy) mainly due to the McCain/Palin ticket which was scarier than hell. However, I am not going down that road anymore. Most importantly, my conscience will not allow me to vote for someone like Romney.
So if the choice is Obama vs Romney, what? To me, the lesser of two evils is preferable to the greater.
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:25 PM   #12
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So if the choice is Obama vs Romney, what? To me, the lesser of two evils is preferable to the greater.
Personally, I don't think Romney would be any better than Obama. Or another way to put it, I don't think Obama is any more evil than Romney. The issues that concern me the most, government debt and the current screwed up foreign policy of the US.
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Personally, I don't think Romney would be any better than Obama.
I agree. Two sides of the same coin.

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I am not ashamed to say that I voted for Obama (the lesser of two evils strategy) mainly due to the McCain/Palin ticket which was scarier than hell.
I agree once again but there was never really any chance of McCain/Palin winning so it wasn't really all that scary for me.

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Most importantly, my conscience will not allow me to vote for someone like Romney.
I used to do the "lesser of two evils" thing but I'm done with that too. Even if Paul isn't the nominee, I'm going to vote for him because I think he is the best man for the job and I'd encourage you to do the same.
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:32 PM   #14
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I used to do the "lesser of two evils" thing but I'm done with that too. Even if Paul isn't the nominee, I'm going to vote for him because I think he is the best man for the job and I'd encourage you to do the same.
Are you saying: you are going to write-in Ron Paul's name? Does that still count?
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:43 PM   #15
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Apparently, I can not write-in a candidate for president in my state. Those damn illuminati bastards!
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Greta, I sympathize. It would be hard to find a more sincere Ron Paul supporter than I; I've invested a good chunk of cash in his campaign.

That being said, if he doesn't get the nomination—and sadly, he won't—then a vote that doesn't go to Romney is one that goes to Obama. That is a vote for socialism, for redistributionism, for communalism, for loss of our most basic rights. For evil.

I hop you will reconsider.
I think the 'lesser of two evils' rationale needs to die a quick and painful death. IMO it's precisely why we've devolved to the state we're in now and frankly, I don't want less evil -I want no evil. If I keep propagating the narrative of voting for the lesser of two evils then I'm party to keeping the status quo. I'd rather vote for principles instead of choosing between rape and gang rape.

Romney is a progressive with a (R) in front of his name but he supports progressive agenda just the same. An individual mandate on the state level is an individual mandate just the same and until he retracts his affirmation of Romney-care as a good choice I cannot trust him.

Paul is the only one I'd vote for at this time and if he loses the nomination and chooses to run as an Independent, I'd still vote for him knowing the vote will be split.

Regardless of who the nominee will be for the Rs, I believe Obama will be re-elected. With 1.2 million people falling out of the labor participation force and yet the BLS unemployment rate falls to 8.3% when it should be 11.5% (or 22.5% depending on your counting method), a continuing rise in equities markets based on no volume and bad news I have no doubt the rosy economic picture and a complicit media pushing the requisite propaganda will be in full force by election time, thus, sealing the deal.

I think we're already too late to right this ship so the sooner the sheeple awaken from their slumber the better.
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Interesting if true. I think the more accepted wisdom is Marco Rubio as VP.
Rubio has said repeatedly he is not interested in any part of this election cycle. Now 2016 will probably be another story altogether. Which is a good thing. Rubio is good, but needs some seasoning, and he is wise enough to know it.
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If I keep propagating the narrative of voting for the lesser of two evils then I'm party to keeping the status quo.
All we will ever have in this country is a choice between two candidates. You may choose the better of the two or vote against the worse of the two; it makes absolutely no difference. If enough of us choose to be ideologically pure, to sniff and put our noses in the air and count ourselves above the fray, we assure the election of the worse, every time, because those who have no ideology but hatred and greed will surely vote for him.

You may rail against binary thinking, but it's the only option. Number 3 will never win. Wishing will not make it so, and neither will stiff-necked intransigence.

Herbert Hoover was no prize, but he was a businessman and had some grasp of economics. Do you think he would have confiscated gold, fiddled with socialism for twelve years, and saddled the country with eternal government programs, which still plague us today? I don't. But anyone who longed for the halcyon days of Calvin Coolidge, and refused to vote for Hoover because he was not as pure, helped elect FDR.

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I think we're already too late to right this ship so the sooner the sheeple awaken from their slumber the better.
The attitude that "I want to see everything fall apart, once and for all, so the people will see the error of their ways!" is (with all due respect) ridiculous. The Weimar Republic fell apart; the people elected Hitler. Czarist Russia fell apart; Lenin, and then Stalin, followed. The Nationalist Chinese were no prize; Mao was much, much worse.

If the "sheeple" were wise enough to wake up when the ship began to founder, they'd already be awake. Good lord, this country has already fallen apart! Entitlement programs, gigantic debts, endless unwinnable wars, confiscatory taxation, 26,000 new laws and regulations every year, the Bill of Rights in tatters: if the Founding Fathers saw what America is today, they'd run screaming back to the tender embrace of King George!

There is hope; otherwise Ron Paul would never get what traction he has. People of good will must do what they can, now, to preserve what is left of the last, best place on this earth, with the vision of an eventual renaissance always in their minds. Sometimes that requires realism. Sometimes that means compromise. Voting against the lesser of two evils is also voting for the better, and those who don't see wisdom in this fact are just helping push us all a little faster down the road toward Hell.
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So basically, the powers that be always have someone in each party selected so the people can think they are getting someone different this time around, but nothing really changes in the end. No doubt, Romney is their guy for the Republicans.
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A third party is possible - but it can't start at the top. It has to begin locally, with a strong common sense platform. Take over your town - all boards and committees and township government. Take over school boards. Take over county government, then run your best as candidates for state senate and governor. Field congressional candidates where you have a strong local base, then senate. Get involved in law enforcement, there are many advisory and oversight boards - mostly formed for political and networking purposes, but they are effective for those purposes. Support like minded judges when they run for election, or control the agencies that appoint judges. Do this and within 10 years you can have your President. Run Just a Presidential ticket and you will lose, because you need a political Machine, not a political figurehead.
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Apparently, I can not write-in a candidate for president in my state. Those damn illuminati bastards!
Wow! I'd be beside myself on that one. It would seem that you are being denied the right to vote for who you want.

We have a paper ballot with a spot for write-in votes. When done, the ballot is scanned into the computer so there is an electronic as well as paper ballot.

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So basically, the powers that be always have someone in each party selected so the people can think they are getting someone different this time around, but nothing really changes in the end. No doubt, Romney is their guy for the Republicans.
Yep, you got it. That's why the write-in vote is so important.

I think it is important to vote in the presidential election but it's far more important to be involved in state politics. Who you send to the house and senate is far more important than who is president.
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You true-believers scare me. imo, the priority in 2012 is to defeat prez obama. To me, he is the most dangerous pres since FDR.

It pains me to say that about the first black president, but truth be truth.
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Lars, when Obama was elected I said he is doing far more to hurt blacks in politics than help. People associate A with B, even when A has nothing at all to do with B. It would be the same if he was the first Hispanic, or Asian, or female President. When the first black President is toxic, black will equal toxic in the voting booth until Mr Obama fades from our collective memory.
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You true-believers scare me. imo, the priority in 2012 is to defeat prez obama. To me, he is the most dangerous pres since FDR.

It pains me to say that about the first black president, but truth be truth.
I would have to disagree with that. The scariest president I have ever seen in my adult life was Bush #2. I always hated politics and never would take part by voting. Then when Bush took office and all these wars began, that is when I decided to get involved. He apparently woke me up out of my sleep and got my attention. And people want to complain about Obama being a big spender but Bush administration was not only warmongering, but they did not care about deficits either. In fact, it was Cheney who said: "Deficits don't matter."
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If I could hear the Republicans start talking some common sense about foreign policy as Jim Demint says here, then I might be interested. So far, I am not seeing that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=QA_dIaF1nrQ#
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