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Old 03-15-2012, 11:16 AM   #1
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Default YES! Fire your female employees that use Birth Control.

Arizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill also makes it easier for Arizona employers to fire a woman for using birth control to prevent pregnancy despite the employer's moral objection.
"I believe we live in America," said Majority Whip Debbie Lesko (R-Glendale), who sponsored the bill. "We don’t live in the Soviet Union. So, government should not be telling the organizations or mom-and-pop employers to do something against their moral beliefs."
The bill now moves to the state Senate for a full vote.
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:39 PM   #2
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That is bull**** but so is this:

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Lesko's bill resembles recent efforts on the federal level to repeal the Obama administration's contraception mandate, which requires most employers to cover contraception with no co-pay for their employees.
Why are they co-pay exempt when others are not?
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:07 PM   #3
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So the world turns. Here the employers would be overfilled with joy if women took the pill as maternity leave a year or 2 (employer pays part of it) and you cant fire a lady after she is pregnant.
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That is bull**** but so is this:

Why are they co-pay exempt when others are not?
I can only guess that the Obama Plan really wants women to stay on the pill even if they haven't met the annual 'out of pocket' minimums required before prescription coverage kicks in. But that assuming there's a rational motivation like trying to reduce the number of dependent children on the welfare rolls.

You know some republicans have expressed our countries declining birthrate as a "Threat" to the Country!
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:46 PM   #5
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"Sandra Fluke Mows The Lawn: A Play In One Act Published under Culture, Fun

Scene: A suburban Washington DC street some sunny afternoon in July.

Little Sandra and her friend Mark arrive at the house of Mr George.

Little Sandra pushes a manual lawn mower, the kind where the blade spins by pushing the wheels, and Mark holds a broom.

Little Sandra: Excuse me, sir. Would you like your grass mowed?

Mr George: Well, hello there. Trying to drum up a little business, eh? But aren’t you two a trifle old for this?

Little Sandra: Yes, sir, we are. Trying to earn money, I mean. We’re both college students and our stipend of fifty-five-thousand isn’t enough to make it through the whole year. So in the summers we cut grass to make something extra on the side.

Mr George: Isn’t that nice. Makes my heart sing to see gumption like that. Reminds me when I was a boy cutting tobacco. I suppose the lawn could use a trim—

(On these words, Mark takes the mower from Little Sandra, hands her the broom, and begins cutting the lawn.)

Mr George: (With a smile in his voice) Anxious, isn’t it!

Little Sandra: He sure is, sir. And now, sir, the matter of payment?

Mr George: (Pulling out his wallet) Of course, of course. This outta do it. (He hands her a ten)

Little Sandra: Very funny, sir. But I’m sure you know there are laws that specify that employers must pay their employees a certain minimum wage?

Mr George: Now just a minute, young lady—

Little Sandra: The laws also stipulate a minimum number of contracted hours. This doesn’t include mandatory breaks and a lunch which must be a full hour.

Mr George: Why would you need lunch? This lawn isn’t—

Little Sandra: Yes, sir. Lunch. You’re not responsible for paying for our lunch, but you should be aware—here are the numbers (she hands over a sheet of paper)—those employers that received the highest Diversity rankings sponsored their employees’ meals.

(It is clear Mark is doing a half-assed job of the mowing.)

Mr George: The whole job will only take you half an hour!

Little Sandra: The law’s the law, sir. And I’m a law student and activist so I know what I’m talking about.

(Mr George fishes in his wallet and pulls out more cash)

Mr George: Fine, okay. Here. Just get the job done and go.

Little Sandra: This barely covers it, sir. But since this is your first offense, we won’t file charges. But now there is the matter of my morning after pill, sir?

Mr George: Morning after?

Little Sandra: My abortifacient. I’m not obligated to tell you this, but Mark and I last night, for a very special reason, were in a hurry and I worry something might have happened. So if you’ll just…

Mr George: Young lady, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

Little Sandra: (Sighs) You already acknowledge you’re my employer?

(She doesn’t wait for an answer) We’re already covered the wage laws, but you should know that under the new Obamacare laws, you have to pay for my abortions. You’ll also have to pay for my future birth control.

Mr George: What! I will not pay for yours—or anybody’s–abortion! I am a Catholic and I believe abortion is murder.

Little Sandra: Look, sir. I’ll make this easy. Your religious beliefs are irrelevant. And in any case, they are trumped by me being a woman. I want the abortion and you have to pay for it, and that is that.

Mr George: This is insanity! Why should I give you money to murder your baby?

Little Sandra: I’ll not answer the implied charge, sir. But you obviously have to pay because you’re my employer. When you became an employer, you took on the implied duties of being my bedroom monitor.

You must fund the prevention of and the eventual abortion of any children I decide I do not want. Or if I decide I do want the child, you have to pay for that, too. And you must do this because you’re an employer.

Mr George: Why should I pay because I’m an employer? Why should you allow me to have that level of intrusion into your life? You have your own money. Take responsibility for yourself! You pay for it!

Little Sandra: Surely you realize this is an issue of women’s health, sir. Here are the relevant statistics. (She hands him another paper) You wouldn’t want me, a woman, to become sick because I had unprotected sex, would you? It will be cheaper for you to pay for my abortion than to pay for the birth of the child.

Mr George: You’re out of your mind, young lady. I’m not paying for either. It’s your life. You pay. You damn your own soul. Don’t make me complicit. I only wanted you to do a specific task for me, a task for which I’m already paying more than enough.

Little Sandra: Employers must pay because they are employers.

Employers have a duty to pay for whatever might affect their employees’ bodies, wherever and whatever the employees do with those bodies. Employees have no monetary or personal responsibility at all.

Employees have rights. If you don’t give me the money, I will run to Congress and tell on you, sir. Now if you would just fetch your checkbook?

Mr George: And to think I’ve always been a loyal Democrat!

(Mr George exits off stage to fetch his checkbook.)

Little Sandra: Mark? Ready? He’s going to get the money. That’s good enough.

(Mark leaves the lawn mower and doesn’t bother sweeping the clippings. Mr George returns)

Mr George: This whole thing is surreal. I can’t believe what has become of my country.

(He begins to write a check)

Little Sandra: Just one moment, sir. Don’t forget that we need funds to cover Mark’s gender reassignment surgery. Tomorrow, he will be Mary! (Whispers) That’s why we were in such a hurry last night. You know, one last time?

Mr George: But…what?

Little Sandra: You’re an employer, sir.

(Mr George knows he’s beaten, his shoulders slump and he writes a check and hands it over)

Little Sandra: Thank you, sir. Nice doing business with you.

(Little Sandra and Mark/y drop the equipment and turn to leave, laughing as they go. After a few paces, Little Sandra’s cell phone

rings)

Little Sandra: Hello, Mr President!

(The end)"

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Old 03-15-2012, 04:51 PM   #6
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You know some republicans have expressed our countries declining birthrate as a "Threat" to the Country!
You know, *every* developed nation with a seriously declining birthrate has declared it to be a threat to the nation, which it obviously is. Did you know that without immigration, America would have a negative population growth rate? Are you completely unaware of our demographic crisis, or the relationship between birthrates and demographics?

In Russia, they are giving women bonuses for having children, and are now offering free child care and a number of other programs to make it easier for women to have children. Russia is already facing a time starting in a decade or so when there will be so few young people, they are considering starting a foreign legion to make up the coming shortfall of military recruits and keep the Russian military from collapsing. They are also planning on ramping up immigration so they will have enough workers to prevent a societal collapse from a lack of available labor and crashing income tax revenues. America is not that bad off, but we are headed in the same direction.
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You know, *every* developed nation with a seriously declining birthrate has declared it to be a threat to the nation, which it obviously is. Did you know that without immigration, America would have a negative population growth rate? Are you completely unaware of our demographic crisis, or the relationship between birthrates and demographics?

In Russia, they are giving women bonuses for having children, and are now offering free child care and a number of other programs to make it easier for women to have children. Russia is already facing a time starting in a decade or so when there will be so few young people, they are considering starting a foreign legion to make up the coming shortfall of military recruits and keep the Russian military from collapsing. They are also planning on ramping up immigration so they will have enough workers to prevent a societal collapse from a lack of available labor and crashing income tax revenues. America is not that bad off, but we are headed in the same direction.
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Make babies, anyways. No need to go all Octomom, but two or three would be helpful.
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Make babies, anyways. No need to go all Octomom, but two or three would be helpful.
Damn, Ought. I did not need her image filling my mind's eye this evening.
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Damn, Ought. I did not need her image filling my mind's eye this evening.
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Damn, Ought. I did not need her image filling my mind's eye this evening.
Yeah, I guess that is another birth control method; the opposite of porn. Visualizing Helen Thomas works pretty well, too.


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Yeah, I guess that is another birth control method; the opposite of porn. Visualizing Helen Thomas works pretty well, too.


Jeezus. What are you, some kind of sadist?
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You know, *every* developed nation with a seriously declining birthrate has declared it to be a threat to the nation, which it obviously is.
But you have to wonder why that should be so.

We have been getting computers making tasks much easier so you need much less people in offices, we need less people in production work, we need less hands on the farms and this trend is not new.

Add to that the worlds population pressure (or my my case the local one) and scaling down makes sense if you do it in a controlled way but of course then the government finances stop working.
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A country full of old people tends to be a country that is not particularly dynamic.
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A country full of old people tends to be a country that is not particularly dynamic.
You put it in a much more succinct form than I was about to.
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