Reproductive Rights = SIN

[Editorialist]

As one who has accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior in his life I am getting fed up to here about the issue of women's reproductive rights. What these poor and probably unsaved women don't realize it is not an issue about rights but about the seemingly old fashioned word, SIN. Today's generation mostly has not been brought up on moral and Biblical values. Since those of who believe there is a God in Heaven in charge of all affairs throughout the whole universe and beyond know what the word, SIN, means and the tragic consequences of those who practice it we feel have a moral and loving obligation to get the record straight on the matter.

The Bible is quite clear on what happens to those who engage in sin and refuse to repent--"the wages of sin is death", both physical and spiritual.

Now why does God hate sin so much? It is of the disastrous consequences it has on the people He allowed to come into the world. The Bible says He is the Heavenly Father of all those who accepted His Son, Jesus Christ, as Lord and Savior. If you remember way back yonder when the movie, "Father Knows Best" was playing, it was about a story dealing with an earthly father who always knew what was best for his children and family, sometimes much to their chagrin. Well our Heavenly Father who knows more about us than an earthly father certainly knows what is best for His children. And yet He cares for those who haven't accepted His Son which He sent into the world to save lost sinners whose father is the devil and make them the Heavenly Father's adopted children.

Now on the issue of "reproductive rights" vs Sin we find that among those so-called rights the issues of abortion, fornication, and adultery are involved. First concerning abortion there are physical consequences to the mother in serious health problems occurring later on in life. Not only physical problems but mental ones of depression and guilt can also result. As a loving and caring Father He does not wish to see these consequences occur to those who are brought into this world to become potentially His children.

He loves that baby in the womb whom He created as marvelously and wonderfully made with a plan for that baby's life. God frequently condemned the practice of killing the unborn for sacrificial pagan rights. That creature in the Mother's womb is a fully developing human being just waiting to burst on the scene to develop the potential God that child to become. That living human creature has a beating heart, breathing lungs, capacity to respond to touch and an active and functioning brain. If all could see the aborted corpses of these unborn humans it would sicken them forever.

Now let us turn to the other sins included in "reproductive rights". Let's examine the sins of adultery and fornication and why they are considered sins. With adultery and fornication, as many as 50 different sexually transmitted diseases can occur, some of which can be fatal. As a loving Father who created each part of us, including our sex drive, He cannot stand to see those He brought into this world end up with such horrible and death dealing diseases occurring.

He is forced to chastise and discipline such disobedience the same way as an earthly parent would do with a child continually playing with matches. He will spare no amount of discipline to correct this child's destructive behavior. The same way with God but He will allow the ultimate punishment of death to occur. We can see His chastising Hand concerning the ever increasing weather violence and the depraved state our nation is now becoming with outright disobedience to parents and those in authority and all sorts of sadistic acts and moral depravity ever increasing. When you kick God out, the source of all good and excellence creating a vacuum that the devil, the source of wickedness, death, destruction and decay, rushes in to fill.

The same type diseases can also occur with sins of homosexuality and other deviant sexual behavior.

Therefore is it right to fight for such "reproductive rights" or continue to wallow in the sin and consequences thereof? Personally I think not.

And how about the rights of those of who oppose funding abortion and reproductive rights as an act of obedience to the Judeo/Christian God we serve. I as a man am most indignant to be forced to have a dollar or two of my monthly premium deducted for a service I cannot possibly use AND BITTERLY OPPOSE ON BIBLICAL GROUNDS. If I am forced to do this then I will pay an equal or greater amount to those who are fighting this unconscionable act of genocide against the unborn to counteract the amount I am forced to pay for abortion. The cost of health coverage is high enough and I want every dollar I invest in it to cover my needs not those of another whose goal to engage in behavior reprehensible in the sight of God.

The devil has tricked women into making this an issue of rights when it is clearly an issue of sin and REMEMBER LADIES AGAIN THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH AS IT IS TO ALL WHO SIN, BOTH MALE AND FEMALE AND REFUSE TO REPENT!

[Ought Six]

"I will intensify the pangs of your childbearing; in pain shall you bring forth children. Yet your urge shall be for your husband, and he shall be your master."
(Genesis 3:16)

"According to the rule observed in all the assemblies of believers, women should keep silent in such gatherings. Rather, as the law indicates, submissiveness is indicated for them. If they want to learn anything, they should ask their husbands at home. It is a disgrace when a woman speaks in the assembly."
(1 Corinthians 14:34-35)

"Man was not made from woman but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman but woman for man. For this reason, a woman ought to have a sign of submission on her head."
(1 Corinthians 11:8-10)

"Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess, provided you buy them from among neighboring the nations. You may also buy them from among the aliens who reside with you and from their children who are born and raised in their land. Such slaves you may own as chattels, and leave to your sons as their hereditary property, making them perpetual slaves."
(Leviticus 25:44-46)

"When a man strikes his slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property."
(Exodus 21:20-21)

"No one whose testicles have been crushed or whose penis has been cut off may be admitted into the community of the Lord. No child of an incestuous or adulterous union may be admitted into the community of the Lord, nor any descendant of his even to the tenth generation."
(Deuteronomy 23:2-3)

So STFU, beech, an' go make me a sammich! An' dat beer better be cold, or yer going' to Hell!

[linttrap]

Get a rope....

[D. Gale]

[CanadaSue]

As one who has accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior in his life I am getting fed up to here about the issue of women's reproductive rights. Great - if you've chosen to accept Christ as YOUR Lord & Saviour. It is entirely your choice to be 'fed up'. Those of us who have different views are anything BUT fed up - especially when we see people trying to remoe those rights from us.What these poor and probably unsaved women don't realize it is not an issue about rights but about the seemingly old fashioned word, SIN. If you're 'unsaved, don't accept YOUR version of Christ - it has nothing to do with sin.Today's generation mostly has not been brought up on moral and Biblical values. Since those of who believe there is a God in Heaven in charge of all affairs throughout the whole universe and beyond know what the word, SIN, means and the tragic consequences of those who practice it we feel have a moral and loving obligation to get the record straight on the matter. Setting the record straight? No - stating YOUR views - nothing else.

The Bible is quite clear on what happens to those who engage in sin and refuse to repent--"the wages of sin is death", both physical and spiritual.

Now why does God hate sin so much? It is of the disastrous consequences it has on the people He allowed to come into the world. The Bible says He is the Heavenly Father of all those who accepted His Son, Jesus Christ, as Lord and Savior. If you remember way back yonder when the movie, "Father Knows Best" was playing, it was about a story dealing with an earthly father who always knew what was best for his children and family, sometimes much to their chagrin. Well our Heavenly Father who knows more about us than an earthly father certainly knows what is best for His children. And yet He cares for those who haven't accepted His Son which He sent into the world to save lost sinners whose father is the devil and make them the Heavenly Father's adopted children. I'm an adult - a mature one. I'm not looking for a father figure of any sort to tell me what to do & frankly if I were to do so, I's be looking for a ;better' one that you propose.

Now on the issue of "reproductive rights" vs Sin we find that among those so-called rights the issues of abortion, fornication, and adultery are involved. They can be but not always. Most women are simply looking to control their own bodies - period. We don't look for or want anyone to tell us our bodies are not our own. First concerning abortion there are physical consequences to the mother in serious health problems occurring later on in life. Sometimes yes but most often not.Not only physical problems but mental ones of depression and guilt can also result. As a loving and caring Father He does not wish to see these consequences occur to those who are brought into this world to become potentially His children. As an omniscient, omnipotent being - 'he' sure seems wishy washy.

He loves that baby in the womb whom He created as marvelously and wonderfully made with a plan for that baby's life. If that were the case, abortion would not be 'possible' - no harm could be contemplated or caused to the concieved.God frequently condemned the practice of killing the unborn for sacrificial pagan rights. That creature in the Mother's womb is a fully developing human being just waiting to burst on the scene to develop the potential God that child to become. That living human creature has a beating heart, breathing lungs, capacity to respond to touch and an active and functioning brain. If all could see the aborted corpses of these unborn humans it would sicken them forever.

Now let us turn to the other sins included in "reproductive rights". Let's examine the sins of adultery and fornication and why they are considered sins. You're confusing sexual activity with reproduction.With adultery and fornication, as many as 50 different sexually transmitted diseases can occur, some of which can be fatal. As a loving Father who created each part of us, including our sex drive, He cannot stand to see those He brought into this world end up with such horrible and death dealing diseases occurring.Why then, is it permitted & why does an all powerful being - the alpha & omega if you will have mere 'feelings' - much as a human does?

He is forced to chastise and discipline such disobedience the same way as an earthly parent would do with a child continually playing with matches. Forced? How does one force a God to do anything?He will spare no amount of discipline to correct this child's destructive behavior. The same way with God but He will allow the ultimate punishment of death to occur. We can see His chastising Hand concerning the ever increasing weather violence and the depraved state our nation is now becoming with outright disobedience to parents and those in authority and all sorts of sadistic acts and moral depravity ever increasing. When you kick God out, the source of all good and excellence creating a vacuum that the devil, the source of wickedness, death, destruction and decay, rushes in to fill. Humanity has always been capable of 'wicked & depraved' behaviour - that won't end no matter what one's beliefs.

The same type diseases can also occur with sins of homosexuality and other deviant sexual behavior. These diseases occur with any type of careless sexual behaviour.

Therefore is it right to fight for such "reproductive rights" or continue to wallow in the sin and consequences thereof? Personally I think not.

And how about the rights of those of who oppose funding abortion and reproductive rights as an act of obedience to the Judeo/Christian God we serve. I as a man am most indignant to be forced to have a dollar or two of my monthly premium deducted for a service I cannot possibly use AND BITTERLY OPPOSE ON BIBLICAL GROUNDS. If I am forced to do this then I will pay an equal or greater amount to those who are fighting this unconscionable act of genocide against the unborn to counteract the amount I am forced to pay for abortion. The cost of health coverage is high enough and I want every dollar I invest in it to cover my needs not those of another whose goal to engage in behavior reprehensible in the sight of God.

The devil has tricked women into making this an issue of rights when it is clearly an issue of sin and REMEMBER LADIES AGAIN THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH AS IT IS TO ALL WHO SIN, BOTH MALE AND FEMALE AND REFUSE TO REPENT!

[Twoolf]

Yada, yada, yada.

You wan't to live by that tripe, go ahead. Quit trying force it down other peoples throat.

Here's what one of you buddies was up to:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor..._her_20s_.html

Thanks for the quotes .06 Pretty well proves the point of my signature line.

[Mama Alanna]

Does anyone else see the irony of "Editorialist" posting this in "I don't know where to put this"?

---------- Post added at 05:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:24 PM ----------

Oh, and the "wages of sin"? The same as the reward for virtue.

[Ought Six]

Originally Posted by Mama Alanna

Does anyone else see the irony of "Editorialist" posting this in "I don't know where to put this"?

I missed that.

Yes, that screed would make a perfect suppository for Mr. Editorialist.

[Catbird]

REMEMBER LADIES AGAIN THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH AS IT IS TO ALL WHO SIN, BOTH MALE AND FEMALE AND REFUSE TO REPENT!

Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye. - Luke 6:42, KJV

"Woe to you, teachers of the law... you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. - Mt 23:13, NIV

[Twoolf]

Originally Posted by Mama Alanna

Does anyone else see the irony of "Editorialist" posting this in "I don't know where to put this"?[COLOR="Silver"]

I can tell 'em where to put it.

[linttrap]

I'm pretty sure that location is already occupied by his head...

[Brihard]

Arguing with religious radicals has always struck me as bring like playing chess either pigeon. No matter how good I am at chess the pigeon just knocks pieces over, shits on the board, and struts around like it won.

If there is some sort of 'god' that in any way resembles the one Judaism and its derivatives Christianity and Islam teach us about, I don't personally think it would be so desperately vain, nor so possessedof poor judgment ad to give such fallible creatures as humans license to speak on ita behalf. 'Religion' is just another social-political construct intended to institutionalize power relationships to enfranchise the few at the expense of the many. No thanks.

[Twoolf]

Originally Posted by Brihard

Arguing with religious radicals has always struck me as bring like playing chess either pigeon. No matter how good I am at chess the pigeon just knocks pieces over, shits on the board, and struts around like it won.

I love that quote. Its become a favorite among the secular humanists.

[CanadaSue]

I'd not seen that quote - almost made me fall over laughing.

[Brihard]

That should read 'with a', not 'either'. Autocorrect on my phone...

[Sonny]

Ed, I think Uncle Bob's is somewhere your message is needed ..
Now Don't be surprised if most have never heard it before.
So Try it.. now get out there make an impact.

Uncle Bob's Time Out!
just saying/...

!

[Mama Alanna]

Time for this to go to Op-Ed.

[CanadaSue]

UB's? You'd be surprised Sonny - plenty of folks over there who profess a strong faith... just as there would be here if they chose to talk about it.

[Catbird]

Originally Posted by CanadaSue

UB's? You'd be surprised Sonny - plenty of folks over there who profess a strong faith... just as there would be here if they chose to talk about it.

That's true, although I suspect that Editorialist wouldn't last long, especially as he/she/it merely pontificates instead of actually discussing anything.

But, it would be fun to watch while it lasts.

[Ought Six]

Editorialist never engages. He is a pure hit-and-run poster; the height of cowardice. He takes a dump in the forum, then scuttles away as fast as his little leg can carry him, not to return until his next sneak verbal defecation attack. For this reason he would survive just fine at UB's, unless Uncle got tired of his act and just banned him.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by CanadaSue

UB's? You'd be surprised Sonny - plenty of folks over there who profess a strong faith... just as there would be here if they chose to talk about it.

Thanks Sue, It's has been a long time since I'd visited UB's Time Out.
I did recognize a few names, from what seems like a long time ago.

!

[Pablo Escobar]

If god didn't want us to fornicate, he would have made us bud off new humans....

If god didn't want us to want sex, he would have made it painful.

If god didn't want us to have more than one partner, he would have the female eat the male after sex.

So, god created some pretty serious design flaws in his "subjects", and then he expects his "subjects" to correct them on the fly? Doesn't sound all powerful to me.

Why would a god want his beloved subjects to reproduce without consideration to the other wonderful creations that god has made and placed upon this good earth? Is god seriously desirous of humans to empty the seas of fish? Empty the lands of animals? Destroy and use up the natural resources he spent so much time and energy to make? He wants us to devour everthing until nothing is left to devour but ourselves?

Pretty fucked up game plan, god.


Editorialist. Face it, your god screwed up, and wrote some rules to try to fix it a few thousand years ago, and now, those rules are screwing the pooch, and unless he sends down a new set to fix "HIS" mistakes, we are pretty much left to winging it.

[Ought Six]

If God gave us a powerful lust, then told us that if we fornicate, we are going to Hell for eternal extreme torture, then God is one sick, cruel, evil being. F**k your sadistic 'God' very much. It sounds more like Satan to me.

[penguinzee]

I didn't know Editorialist was a fundy... substitute "Allah" for "God" and it would sound like it was spit out of the minarets in Mecca...

Really, this should be put in the Dungeon, or better yet, Hell...

Franc (penguinzee)

[Kassy]

What about mens reproductive rights?