Analysis: Gay marriage decision not working in Obama's favor so far

[sandyd]

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...0,492748.story

Not really a surprise.

[Lars]

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[Malcolm]

President A$!se h*&ole was just "kite flying"

[MaxTheKnife]

Skew Obama

[Malcolm]

Actually its a "Global" thing at the moment..... yes our politicians are at the same crap.
(Elections comeing)

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/...-1226356692553

[CanadaSue]

It irks me to no end that he now supports it simply for percieved political purposes.

[dyrt]

There were really only two groups that were involved in the political calculation; the gays and religious "blacks." The Obamarama knew from constant studying that they would lose some and gain some in all other groups. Obviously gay money out trumps "black" churches. Obama knows that "black" church leaders will rant but won't abandon him. No principles involved . . . just cold political calculation.

[Sysiphus]

Not good for him in FL, I suspect.

[Pablo Escobar]

Many of the ills that are caused by our governments is the idea that it is the governments job to legislate for or against human behavior as it pertains to "morality".

Abortion,
Drugs,
Prostitution,
Gay Sex,

are the main drivers.

I firmly believe that it is NOT governments job to legislate morality, while at the same time, government CAN take a stand, one side or another, and preach, advise, and promote one position.

An example would be gay sex, but it works for anything. If the government, which is supposed to represent the majority of people, is against gay sex, then don't outlaw it, just study it, preach against it, and maybe promote policies and laws that promote the other side. That's okay.

The other condition, is that the situation should be looked at from the point of view of "other harm". Gay sex, and therefore marriage, between two consenting adults (ie over the age of majority), no problem. But anything that harms others outside of the two consenting adults, like predation of children, indoctrination of "normalcy", etc etc should not only be illegal, but severely punished.

While I agree a large majority of gay behavior is biologically dictated, there is also a very measurable portion of gay behavior triggered by psychological damage due to child sexual abuse.

[jane333]

I'm not so sure that 'morality' is the drive behind legislation to curb social ills, and that's a simplistic description of a complex problem.

Maybe we can all agree that murderers should be off the street. Yes or no? To protect our kids and ourselves from murder...or worse. Shall we call THAT a moral issue?

I wouldn't.

In the same vein, getting drug users and dealers, who lure our kids into trying drugs, off the street is not simply or simplistically a MORAL issue.

Ditto for pedophiles, rapists, and sexual predators who specifically target teens with gender/mental disorders, and prostitutes who spread disease and whose activities go hand in hand with drug abuse, gangs and violence.

[Pablo Escobar]

Hi Jane,

Those are very good questions, so let me address a few.

Drug users and dealers do indeed lure children to try drugs. I agree with you. However, you have to understand the why are children specifically targeted? Is it because they want to specifically harm kids? Or is it because kids are more likely to want to do the opposite of what society wants them to do, or not do? And if someone has already decided to break the law by selling and using drugs, then breaking the law to help children also break the law is no big deal. They've already broken the law, made the mental leap that nothing bad happened when they did it the first time, so why not?

In effect, making all drugs illegal has the perverse opposite effect of encouraging behavior we want to avoid.

Legalizing all drugs, heroin, speed, LSD, cocaine, and taxing it, regulating it, and making stringent 21 and under laws, would actually lower drug deaths, crime, and misuse by minors. Today, it is easier for a high school kid to score hard and soft drugs than it is for kids to score booze. Does that make sense?

Prostitutes spread disease, and go hand in had with drugs, gangs, and violence because it is illegal. Make it legal, and regulate it, and disease, drugs, gangs, and violence go away.

Pedophiles, on the other hand, should be locked up and the key thrown away.

[jane333]

I was a pretty typical young woman in the 80's, and wasn't in the least encouraged to use drugs like LSD or heroin because it was illegal.

If you've been to Mexico, then you know that drinking at any age and smoking pot in public is accepted. I'm sorry to contradict your strange claims, but minors get just as drunk as those over 21...and lose their inhibitions in exactly the same manner.

As far as prostitution being legalized to magically erase all associated crime, I just have the feeling that in places like the Nevada brothels that pipe dream has not come true. Much less in the truly seamy sections of Asia, South America and Africa where prostitution and police corruption do their deadly dance.

Sorry.

[Feather]

It looks to me like this thread has gotten a bit

[jane333]

lol