ObamaCare

[flourbug]

Supreme Court upholds ObamaCare

[dharma]

Immoral and sad.

I'll be making the biggest contributions I can to the appropriate candidates—not something I've done for a fair number of years, but this election is for the soul of this country. Good and evil are squaring off.

[flourbug]

I've been watching my daughters' facebook pages all morning... between the three of them they have thousands of friends, ages 25-35. They are a well educated group, multi-ethnic, many are in socially active jobs and have taken their expertise to third world countries to do good. Many doctors, attorneys, a large number of ex-military, firemen, emts, technical people. Most of them have young children.

People are FURIOUS about this. I am really shocked, as they are a liberal bunch and many supported Obama in the last election. The disappointment, anger, and call to action is flaming off the pages. Not just calling or writing Congress - they are trying to organize a march on DC, total recall of all elected officials, some say they are ending their careers, closing their businesses, removing themselves from the tax rolls. Others say it is time to heed the Declaration and pick up a gun against a government that no longer represents the people.

This is SERIOUS.

[MDINMT]

Originally Posted by flourbug

I've been watching my daughters' facebook pages all morning... between the three of them they have thousands of friends, ages 25-35. They are a well educated group, multi-ethnic, many are in socially active jobs and have taken their expertise to third world countries to do good. Many doctors, attorneys, a large number of ex-military, firemen, emts, technical people. Most of them have young children.

People are FURIOUS about this. I am really shocked, as they are a liberal bunch and many supported Obama in the last election. The disappointment, anger, and call to action is flaming off the pages. Not just calling or writing Congress - they are trying to organize a march on DC, total recall of all elected officials, some say they are ending their careers, closing their businesses, removing themselves from the tax rolls. Others say it is time to heed the Declaration and pick up a gun against a government that no longer represents the people.

This is SERIOUS.

[RobT20]

Romney just got elected.

And it will be by a landslide.

[Twoolf]

I have never voted a straight line party ticket before in my life. Democrats be warned. You are now officially on my shit-list. Bye-Bye. A special election should also be held to replace the SCOTUS. They can write all the "non-biased" opinions they want, but the SC is just as politically divided as congress.

[Grassy Gnoll]

Thats the depressing part. Even if Obamacare is repealed, the precedent has been set - The government and pretty much force you to do anything or you face a 'tax'.

[penguinzee]

next up: you will be forced to buy a GM car, or be taxed...

Franc (penguinzee)

[CanadaSue]

I haven't read the decision yet - can hardly wait to read that.

[CanadaSue]

On second thought, 193 pagesa of legalese is WAY above my pay grade. No doubt some well qualified legal consultants working for the various networks will be happy to explain it to me - later. I think I'm going to walk to the store.

[flourbug]

[jason]

[CanadaSue]

If I understood the snippet of Roberts' text correctly he agreed you can't FORCE anyone to buy health insurance, (commerce clause), per se. But if it's a health care TAX or the alternative is a tax - then it's copacetic?

Are they splitting hairs or am I missing something ginormous?

[Twoolf]

Originally Posted by CanadaSue

If I understood the snippet of Roberts' text correctly he agreed you can't FORCE anyone to buy health insurance, (commerce clause), per se. But if it's a health care TAX or the alternative is a tax - then it's copacetic?

Are they splitting hairs or am I missing something ginormous?

Yup, thats it in a nutshell.

[Dreamweaver]

Another view. From a comment at another site. Maybe a stretch.


John Roberts should be congratulated for his corageous vote. He did three things with this ruling:
1-He preserved the commerce clause the integrity of which the liberals wouild have destroyed along with this nation. They cannot force us to eat broccoli!
2-He threw this election to Romney (hopefully Romney will not blow it). By declaring the mandate Ok with a tax, Obama will realize how this will adversely affect his re-election chances. (This new tax becomes a job-killer as well as another patented hit to the economy by Mr. Obama.
3-Medicaid is rescued by allowing the states to run this show and not be penalized by the GOV witholding grant money.
Not bad for one day’s work.

[dyrt]

Originally Posted by Dreamweaver

Another view. From a comment at another site. Maybe a stretch.


John Roberts should be congratulated for his corageous vote. He did three things with this ruling:
1-He preserved the commerce clause the integrity of which the liberals wouild have destroyed along with this nation. They cannot force us to eat broccoli!
2-He threw this election to Romney (hopefully Romney will not blow it). By declaring the mandate Ok with a tax, Obama will realize how this will adversely affect his re-election chances. (This new tax becomes a job-killer as well as another patented hit to the economy by Mr. Obama.
3-Medicaid is rescued by allowing the states to run this show and not be penalized by the GOV witholding grant money.
Not bad for one day’s work.

I too am in denial . . . looking for a reason the Roberts would vote to uphold Obamacare.

1) Voting the Obamacare unconstitutional and basing it on a strict definition of the commerce law would have preserved the commerce law.
2) Let's hope that there is a republican sweep of the Congress not just electing Romney. If Roberts intended to interfere in the election then he should not be congratulated at all. His job is the constitution, not politics.
3) Medicaid decision was a different situation. I have no idea why the Medicaid issue would somehow affect the Obamacare.

I really hope that we figure out Robert's genius decision in the next few days, weeks, whatever but right now it looks like he is either taking drugs, victim of extortion or just gone batty.

[dharma]

Courtesy of a good and thoughtful friend:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art..._114646-3.html

[Coyote]

By declaring it a tax, he opened the door for it to be repealed.

[dyrt]

Originally Posted by Coyote

By declaring it a tax, he opened the door for it to be repealed.

Why? What is the advantage of forcing Congress to fight over it instead of just declaring it unconstitutional?

[MaxTheKnife]

Remember Hillarycare? Go figure...

[Ross]

Frankly I have never clearly understood why medical care
is so expensive in the US . I assume it must be because
a combination of taxation and the legal framework have
grossly distorted free market competition .


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[Twoolf]

Originally Posted by dyrt

Why? What is the advantage of forcing Congress to fight over it instead of just declaring it unconstitutional?

All revenue legislation must be originated in the house through appropriate legislation, and applied to appropriate sections of the US Code, and accounted for by the OMB in an appropriate budgetary slot. None of the applies to this if treated as a tax

[flowerchild]

Okay I have a question about this. It says there are going to be 17 million new people put on medicaid. (That are around the poverty line- actually a bit above it). Now, in Michigan, there are new limits on welfare programs. You can't own a car that is worth more than around 5k, there is a 4 year lifetime limit, etc. Do all these rules still apply to the new people that will be getting it? What about the extra burden on the social services offices that now have to process all this? Do they have to have yearly reviews? Who pays for the extra costs? What about the people that don't get it, but are still only just slightly above poverty? I know there is a penality if they don't, but that seems like an extra burden to them.

[MaxTheKnife]

I flatly refuse to participate in this Obamacare farce.

[oldasrocks]

Ross, Our medical is too expensive for 2 reasons. The Tort system and guberment involvement allowing major fraud.

I don't see anyone asking how certain companies are getting an exemption from paying their fair share of tax as this is now considerred a tax.