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Old 05-18-2017, 12:28 PM   #1
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Unhappy Times Square Accident(!?)

10 injured. Accident?

Picture: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/05/...-times-square/
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Old 05-18-2017, 01:07 PM   #2
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One(1) dead, multiple injuries, President notified - DRUNK DRIVER

Took every bit of 45 seconds for FIRST RESPONDERS to arrive
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Old 05-18-2017, 01:35 PM   #3
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IIRC, there's a fire station just one block away from Times Square.
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Saw this on the news when I got home, guy said he had been smoking something right before he did it. They didn't say what it was though.
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Saw this on the news when I got home, guy said he had been smoking something right before he did it. They didn't say what it was though.
It be dope.
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"Two officials said Mr. Rojas had tested negative for alcohol; one official said that preliminary tests indicated that he was under the influence of PCP, a mood-altering drug."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/n...are-crash.html


He was charged with murder last night, and 20 counts of attempted murder, after apparently admitting he was trying to kill people.
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I get Manslaughter but Murder? I don't think the elements of the crime have been met.

Likely fast file of Murder for the optics by the prosecutor.

My guess it will be pleaded out to Manslaughter.
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Harrowing new video shows the moment a drug-crazed driver hurtles through pedestrians in Times Square at ferocious speed before crashing into safety posts then stumbles out of his car
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Richard Rojas, 26, of the Bronx, was dramatically taken into custody on Thursday night in Times Square
A crazed Rojas - who is believed to have been high on synthetic marijuana - tried to flee police after the crash
The driver crashed his car into a crowd of pedestrians, killing an 18-year-old girl and injuring 22 other people
The teen, Alyssa Elsman, was visiting from Michigan with her family when she was killed in the deadly attack
Initial tests show Rojas did not have any alcohol in his system but he did test positive for drug substances
He is charged with murder, 20 counts of attempted murder and five counts of aggravated vehicular homicide
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-attacker.html

Video, photos, and everything.

Looks deliberate to me.

---------- Post added at 09:32 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:30 AM ----------

A better photo of the bouncer who subdued the suspect.


Ken Bradix, 47 (pictured), who works at the Planet Hollywood
restaurant in Times Square, helped apprehend Richard Rojas,
accused of mowing down more than 20 pedestrians - and killing
one - in Times Square on Thursday
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Good example why they have installed bollards.

Sure, people got hurt but it could have been a lot worse.

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I get Manslaughter but Murder? I don't think the elements of the crime have been met.
He admitted he was trying to kill people. I think that qualifies.
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I haven't honestly been keeping up with the details here but IIRC that was said after he left the auto and it was still affect by the drugs.

"Spontaneous utterances" on intent in an altered state doesn't always mean "malice aforethought" criminal element has been satisfied.

But that hurdle can be overcome if evidence can be found in prior writing or discussions or during interviews after if he was of reasonable sound mind.

Of course it wouldn't be the first time charges were filed for political purposes in anticipation of being able to gather the evidence.
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The action was clearly deliberate... It's murder 2 if not 1. He's driving, then suddenly pulls a hard U ball and charges down a sidewalk. He was deliberately attempting to kill people, there's no question there. Manslaughter would be deliberate violent acts not intended to kill. There's no plausible argument for that here.

Scary stuff though. And this was a car, not even a heavier truck. These vehicle rammings are personally one of my biggest concerns for acts of terror at this point, in terms of our ability to intervene once they're in progress. An active shooter is comparatively easier to deal with.
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I get Manslaughter but Murder? I don't think the elements of the crime have been met.

Likely fast file of Murder for the optics by the prosecutor.

My guess it will be pleaded out to Manslaughter.

Don't get me wrong I don't think he should get off I am just pointing out the issues to the Prosecution.

Further on this:

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/05/...ojas-indicted/

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A man accused of intentionally mowing down pedestrians in Times Square, killing one and injuring 22 others, was indicted Wednesday by a grand jury.

Richard Rojas did not appear for the brief appearance in a Manhattan court. The charges have not yet been made public, but the 26-year-old Rojas was previously arrested on charges of murder and attempted murder.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.3192428

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The deranged driver who plowed into 23 people in Times Square, killing an 18-year-old tourist, has been indicted, prosecutors said Wednesday.

Richard Rojas, 26, did not appear in Manhattan Criminal Court Wednesday when Assistant District Attorney Harrison Schweiloch told Rojas’ attorney that a grand jury had voted for an indictment.

Rojas will be arraigned on the indictment in Manhattan Supreme Court on July 13. Prosecutors have not made public the most current charges he faces.
So, indicted for killing one person. Charges not released. It can happen on a True Bill but somewhat unusual.

Pressure from the press and public I guess and time was likely running out.

Other charges it seem were not presented to the Grand Jury. Like I said, still working on the Elements of the Crime.

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Rojas told police after his arrest that he had been smoking marijuana laced with the hallucinogenic drug PCP, according to a criminal complaint.
I guess they shouldn't have released that Criminal Complaint with the "marijuana laced with PCP" reference too fast.

Likely the Defense is angling for a "altered mental state" and this is causing the Prosecution to slow down and make sure of the elements.
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