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09-26-2008, 02:56 PM
New York Rain May Exceed 6 Inches; Kyle Heads North (Update3)
By Brian K. Sullivan
Sept. 26 (Bloomberg) -- An Atlantic storm drenched New York City today, creating ankle-deep pools along Manhattan curbs and prompting the National Weather Service to issue a flood advisory for the city, Long Island and New Jersey.

As much as 6.5 inches (16.5 centimeters) may fall in New York and the surrounding region through the weekend and some isolated areas could see even more, said John Murray, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Upton, New York.

``Bring the umbrella, the galoshes, the rain gear, the goggles, whatever you need,'' said Carrie McCabe, a meteorologist for private forecaster AccuWeather Inc. in State College, Pennsylvania. ``If you have a little boat, take it to Central Park.''

A flood watch is in effect throughout New York, Connecticut and western Massachusetts for the next two days because of the storm that struck the city overnight.

``Excessive runoff from the heavy rain band will cause flooding of urban areas, highways, streets and underpasses,'' according to a weather service advisory. ``Do not drive your vehicle into areas where the water covers the roadway; most flooding deaths occur in automobiles.''
Complicating the weather along the eastern U.S. is another system: Tropical Storm Kyle, which is expected to brush Massachusetts and Maine before slamming into Canada, the National Hurricane Center said.
Kyle Tracks North

Kyle's maximum sustained winds strengthened to 60 miles (95 kilometers) an hour from 50 mph late yesterday, the center said in an advisory posted on its Web site at about 2 p.m. New York time. The system was centered 445 miles south-southwest of Bermuda and heading north at 12 mph.

``Interests in the northeastern United States and the Canadian Maritimes region should closely monitor the progress of Kyle during the next couple of days,'' the advisory said.

Kyle won't be a direct threat to New York, Murray said by telephone. The storm's outer edge will add to rain falling on the city and mean a flood watch will remain in effect for most of the weekend, he said.

The center's three-day forecast shows Kyle strengthening into a hurricane early tomorrow over the open Atlantic west of Bermuda, before weakening again to a storm and striking Nova Scotia sometime between Sept. 28 and 29.

Short-Lived Hurricane
McCabe said Kyle will probably be a weak Category 1 hurricane or a tropical storm when it hits Canada. The storm will most likely be a hurricane for only about 12 to 24 hours, she said.

Whether Kyle continues on its current path or drifts farther to the west, where it could be more of a problem for Massachusetts, depends on the strength of a high pressure system in the Atlantic, McCabe said. If the high intensifies, Kyle may give Cape Cod in Massachusetts a harder punch.
A tropical-storm warning was posted for Bermuda, meaning sustained winds of at least 39 mph are possible within 24 hours. The island nation may get as much as 3 inches of rain through tomorrow, U.S. forecasters said.

Kyle yesterday became the 11th named storm of the June 1- Nov. 30 Atlantic hurricane season, when an area of low pressure that had dumped rain across the northeastern Caribbean became more organized.
It is the first named storm to develop since Hurricane Ike crashed into the Texas coast Sept. 13, devastating Galveston and leaving more than a million customers without power.

Forecasters predicted the season would see an above-average number of storms. Colorado State University researchers predicted at least 17 major storms, including nine hurricanes, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Climate Prediction Center said there would be 14 to 18 named storms.

New York subway at risk of major flood
09:52 19 September 2001

Engineers are drawing up plans to prevent the flooding of New York's underground transport network, following the collapse of the World Trade Center. They fear water from the Hudson river could get into the vast seven floor basement and fill underground train tunnels all over the city.
"It could flood a lot of the underground system of New York," says Dan Hahn, of Mueser Rutledge Consulting Engineers, who are working on the disaster site with the New York Port Authority.....

Concrete plugs
Engineers say water is already running through the tunnels under the Hudson. Exchange Place, the first PATH station west of the river, is currently under 15 centimetres of water, though this may be from broken water pipes and fire hoses.

To prevent a widespread flood, Hahn has drawn up plans to get into the PATH tunnels that connect with the World Trade Centre site from across the Hudson. Once inside, the tunnels will be filled with huge concrete plugs designed to withstand a 25 metre head of water.

Even so, excavation of the basement - which will not be possible for weeks, according to Brazil - must proceed delicately. Hahn says that for every four to six metres they excavate, they will put in new tiebacks around the walls to support them.

The precaution should also prevent more damage to surrounding buildings, says Brazil. Soil around the walls will shift if the "bathtub" collapses, which could destabilise small or older buildings nearby, she says.

09-26-2008, 05:10 PM
September 26, 2008

Two Storms, One Rain Bucket

Hotel Chelsea Rain (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lensjockey/2888721689/) by lensjockey on Flickr
What a freakin' mess! A one-two punch (http://www.nypost.com/seven/09262008/news/regionalnews/a_double_drench_due_130790.htm) of storms will bring heavy rain to the city through tomorrow and likely into Sunday. The rain will make it difficult to play a game tonight at Shea. Conditions are looking only slightly better for tomorrow night. Triple-header Sunday!

This morning's rain is from moist air being blown northward from a pseudo-nor'easter-type-storm over South Carolina. The storm remains far away but air circulating around it has made it up here, running over a cold front and dropping all the rain in the process. 2.5 inches of rain since last night. Don't be fooled by a mid-day ">break (http://gothamist.com/2008/09/26/%3Ca%20href=) in the rain. Lots more (http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?site=okx&FcstType=text&map.x=98&map.y=189&site=OKX) is in store later today. Today's high will only reach the mid 60s.

The second character in this weekend's weather drama is Tropical Storm Kyle (http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200811.html). Kyle, which wasn't expected to be a tropical storm just a couple of days ago, will run up the coast tomorrow, possibly at hurricane strength. Kyle's path is still uncertain but the best guess is that the eye of the storm will pass east of Cape Cod.

That's far enough east that the city would only be brushed by rain under most conditions. But, during the dark and stormy night tonight a sinister character, Mr. Upper Level Jet, enters the picture. Being tropical, Kyle will push lots of warm, moist air northward, warming us to the mid 70s. Mr. U.L.J. will stop twirling his handlebar moustache long enough to take that tropical air and yank it upwards, most likely unleashing craploads of rain (http://www.weather.com/weather/weekend/10001), tons of flood advisories (http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=NYZ072&warncounty=NYC061&firewxzone=NYZ072&local_place1=Central+Park+NY&product1=Hazardous+Weather+Outlook), and quite possibly the hounds of hell. We can expect 3-5 more inches of rain, and an inch or two more on Long Island, over the weekend. Most of that rain will fall between tonight and tomorrow night but it could well linger through Sunday.


09-26-2008, 09:40 PM
Flood watch in effect through Saturday night

Article Date: Friday, September 26, 2008
... A Flood Watch Has Been Posted For Much Of New Hampshire And Western Maine For Late Tonight Through Saturday Night...

.A Large Area Of Low Pressure To Our South Will Move Very Slowly Over The Next Couple Of Days. A Continuous Onshore Flow Of Atlantic And Tropical Moisture Will Feed Into Northern New England Through Saturday Night.

This Has The Potential To Produce Anywhere From 3 To 6 Inches Of Rain Across The Watch Area. Some Heavier Amounts Are Possible. On Sunday Tropical Storm Kyle Will Move By As It Heads For The Maritimes. This Could Produce Additional Rainfall For The Region.

Southern Oxford-Interior York-Interior Cumberland-Androscoggin- Kennebec-Interior Waldo-Coastal York-Coastal Cumberland-Sagadahoc- Lincoln-Knox-Coastal Waldo-Northern Grafton-Northern Carroll- Southern Grafton-Southern Carroll-Sullivan-Merrimack-Belknap- Strafford-Interior Rockingham-Coastal Rockingham- Including The Cities Of... Rumford... Norway... South Paris... Mexico... Fryeburg... Oxford... North Windham... Gorham... Bridgton... Lewiston... Auburn... Augusta... Waterville... Winslow... Gardiner... Unity... Biddeford... Saco... Old Orchard Beach... Portland... South Portland... Westbrook... Bath... Topsham... Waldoboro... Boothbay Harbor... Wiscasset... Rockland... Camden... Thomaston... Belfast... Littleton... North Conway... Conway... Lebanon... Hanover... Plymouth... Wolfeboro... Claremont... Newport... Concord... Laconia... Tilton-Northfield... Meredith... Rochester... Dover... Durham... Derry... Londonderry... Exeter... Portsmouth... Hampton 341 PM EDT Fri Sep 26 2008

... Flood Watch In Effect From 2 AM EDT Saturday Through Sunday Morning...

The National Weather Service In Gray Has Issued A

* Flood Watch For Portions Of Western Maine And New Hampshire... Including The Following Areas... In Western Maine... Androscoggin... Coastal Cumberland... Coastal Waldo... Coastal York... Interior Cumberland... Interior Waldo... Interior York... Kennebec... Knox... Lincoln... Sagadahoc And Southern Oxford. In New Hampshire... Belknap... Coastal Rockingham... Interior Rockingham... Merrimack... Northern Carroll... Northern Grafton... Southern Carroll... Southern Grafton... Strafford And Sullivan.

* From 2 AM EDT Saturday Through Sunday Morning

* Heavy Rain Through Saturday Night Could Produce 3 To 6 Inches Of Rain... With Some Locally Higher Amounts... Across Central And Southeast New Hampshire And Southern... Central And Mid Coast Maine.

* This Much Rain Has The Potential To Cause Flooding Of Small Rivers And Streams As Well As Urban Flooding In Poor Drainage Areas. Eventually As The Small Rivers And Streams Dump Into Larger Rivers There Could Be Additional Flooding There.

Please Stay Tuned To Noaa Weather Radio... Your Local Media... Or Go To Www.Weather.Gov/Gray (http://www.weather.gov/Gray) For Further Updates On This Weather Situation.

09-28-2008, 10:57 AM
We've had light to moderate rain in NH since Friday. Some good stretches (1-2 hrs.) when the rain stopped also.

Most of the dams were opened to let down the lake levels and then closed to drain the rivers as much as possible, in anticipation of the storm. We're as ready as we can be but it seems to be a non-event. The predicted rains didn't happen.

It might be different right down at the coast though.

09-28-2008, 01:18 PM
We've had light to moderate rain in NH since Friday. Some good stretches (1-2 hrs.) when the rain stopped also.

Most of the dams were opened to let down the lake levels and then closed to drain the rivers as much as possible, in anticipation of the storm. We're as ready as we can be but it seems to be a non-event. The predicted rains didn't happen.

It might be different right down at the coast though.
IMO, it's hurricane Kyle that has cleared your area. I really don't understand why, but being on the Gulf Coast, I've noticed how the weather get's hot, clear, and humid when ever a TS is approaching.

Hurricane Kyle is doing a New England flyby. I wonder if your area will get more rain after the storm passes by?

09-28-2008, 02:45 PM
The storm stayed well east, out in the Atlantic and just clipped us. The folks down east in Maine, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia seem to be catching the brunt of it.

There's a pocket of rain in northern PA and central NY that might get here tonight and bring more rain but it doesn't look all that bad. We're ready.

The whole event has had a real tropical feel to it.

09-28-2008, 07:12 PM
Tropical feel to it here, too. High humidity. Today was fog and so light a mist you weren't really bothered by it. Temps in the low 70's.

09-28-2008, 10:30 PM
Tropical feel to it here, too. High humidity. Today was fog and so light a mist you weren't really bothered by it. Temps in the low 70's.

I hate to keep pointing this out, but is a TS headed directly for your region :confused1:


09-28-2008, 11:11 PM
cao, I'm well aware of that.;) I keep a good eye on accu weather for my area.

I'm responding to todays weather and avoiding Kyle. We got humidity, mist type rain and a brief period of breeze.

09-29-2008, 12:25 PM
Very tropical feel to today also. We did get some rain overnight but not a lot. No real winds over the weekend.

C, you should be talking to the folks NE of New England. If there was a storm, it was there.