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Old 03-11-2017, 10:51 PM   #1
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Default Turkish Islamists Rioting in Rotterdam Holland "Allahu Akbar"

Netherlands cancels landing permission for Turkish minister
Erdogan promises retaliation

On Saturday the Dutch government withdrew landing permission for a Turkish foreign minister’s aircraft, sparking a furious reaction by Turkish president Recep Erdogan and escalating a diplomatic dispute between the two NATO allies.

The primary concern of the Dutch was the Islamic Turks inability to assemble without violence in Rotterdam. Throughout the day tensions grew until finally a full-blown Islamist riot began and the Dutch government were forced to respond with riot police.

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Hundreds of Islamists shouting "Allahu Akbar" in Rotterdam, the Netherlands. Wilders is right for over 10 years. #turkijerel pic.twitter.com/dV2SjXg23r

— Voice of Europe (@V_of_Europe) March 12, 2017

BREAKING | #Dutch police using #watercanons and dogs to force Turkish protesters get away. pic.twitter.com/8TBMFvCGVG

— Vocal Europe (@thevocaleurope) March 12, 2017

Dutch police removes Turkish Islamists off the streets in Rotterdam. pic.twitter.com/qBMOijlrsF

— Voice of Europe (@V_of_Europe) March 12, 2017

Ankara 'Will Retaliate': Erdogan Squares Off as Netherlands Keeps Turkish FM Out: https://t.co/Ih8akB6sZ9

— Voice of Europe (@V_of_Europe) March 12, 2017
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"Apparently Dutch people are throwing things at the Turkish rioters in streets from their house windows."

https://twitter.com/PeterSweden7/sta...7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Dutch police expel Turkish minister


Mounted police disperse pro-Erdoğan crowd in Rotterdam after family affairs minister was barred from rally and escorted to German border

Turkish authorities have sealed off the Dutch embassy and consulate, sources at Turkey’s foreign ministry have said, in the latest incident in a tit-for-tat row between the two countries over Turkish campaigning in Europe.


Turkey also closed off the residences of the Dutch ambassador, charge d’affaires and consul general as tensions between the Nato partners escalated after the Dutch government barred Turkey’s foreign minister from flying to Rotterdam....
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Nazis are Nazis ... Only take off their Swastikas ...

You only have to believe in your superiority to treat another nation's Minister like this and call protestors "Islamists", yes they are Turkish people, what do you expect them to do ? Praise the Lord and shout "Halelujah ?". Turkish Nationalism is inseperable from Islam but that does not make Nationalists Islamists.

The Dutch Nazis like Wielder guaranteed an election victory in 3 days (The Dutch have an election, this was not in the news Sonny quoted) and Erdogan guaranteed a "Yes" vote in the referandum, we may assume that the Right Wings of both countries got what they wanted. Erdogan may be an Islaimıst but right wing Dutch are as I described above. Only a thin veil covers their true identity.

By the way is the Netherlands in the Middle East ? This is in the wrong forum

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Below we have imagery of police suppressing violent
protests in Turkey ( 2014 ) .

Of course that is before the leaders were put in prison .
These days not only are protestors put in jail but so are journalists ,
politicians and army officers .

Strangely anti government riots do not seem to happen much in
Turkey anymore . Nothing to do with it being a corrupt brutal
dictatorship and police state of course .

Ooops , did I interrupt your righteous sermon Oric , sorry .



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I'm confused. Turk pols going to The Netherlands, to rally Turk expats living in The Netherlands, regarding a referendum in Turkey? Netherlands pols stop Turk pol entry, as their presence expected to stir up trouble within The Netherlands? Turks in Netherlands then riot?

If Turks in The Netherlands want to protest, concerned about a Turk referendum, why are they not living in Turkey? I am very confused at the apparent lack of logic in this situation. Are these protesters Dutch citizens? Why are they in The Netherlands? Is this a EU-created mess?
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Interesting analysis of why Islam will never settle peacefully in any western civilisation.

http://adrianvance.blogspot.co.uk/20...n-muslims.html
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Oric - I must have missed the part that says a politician from a foreign country has a right to go organize a political rally on Dutch soil that has absolutely zero to do with Dutch politics. Particularly when there have been problems with similar rallies in Germany and other countries in the past. It doesn't work that way. If Erdogan wants to push his message to expatriate Turks, he can buy ads or use social media.

As I used to not-so-politely say to my Cuban friend in South Florida: You're in America now; leave that shit at home or take it inside. I don't think free speech rights should extend to having the right to conduct overt foreign political activities like rallies and marches in your new country. And, yes, there have been numerous problems with other pro-Erdogan rallies. The Netherlands, like any country, has the right to impose "time, place and manner" restrictions on rallies to maintain public order.
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Default Warning, "avoid gatherings and crowded places"

Monday, 13/3/2017.

The Netherlands has warned its citizens over travel to Turkey as a row between the countries shows no sign of abating.

Turkish attempts to hold rallies in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and the Netherlands have been blocked.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan vowed retaliation, saying: "Nazism is still widespread in the West".

German Chancellor Angela Merkel rejected the comments as unacceptable and offered the Netherlands her "full support and solidarity".

On Monday, the Dutch foreign ministry issued a new travel warning, urging its citizens in Turkey to take care and noting the new "diplomatic tensions".

The warning to "avoid gatherings and crowded places"...

Meanwhile, the Dutch deputy prime minister, Lodewijk Asscher, said that "to be called Nazis by a regime which is walking backwards in regards to human rights is just disgusting".
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Interesting analysis of why Islam will never settle peacefully in any western civilisation.

http://adrianvance.blogspot.co.uk/20...n-muslims.html

Hope you don't mind, BuilderBob that I posted your link.

I think it rather well sums up the basic differences between Islam and Western civilization and their inherent differences, which create problems.




Dr. Ben Carson on Muslims

I want adults and children to understand this regarding MUSLIMS.
CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia .

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, "the great Satan."

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34)

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's "99 excellent names."

Therefore, after much study and deliberation...Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good Muslims' and 'good Americans.'

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!

The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.

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To date exponents of "the left" have twisted our Constitutional principles of religious tolerance to embarrass "the right." Shaming conservatives has been their only objective, but the consequence is that we now have millions of Muslims who hate us and are gathering strength.

Their "immigration" is invasion, quite simply and we have to both quench it and convert those Muslims here to a much less violent philosophy for a full opportunity to become real Americans and not enemies in waiting or they must go. How about to Mexico?

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Here is a perspective by Dr. Peter Hammond.

Dr. Hammond's doctorate is in Theology. He was born in Capetown in 1960, grew up in Rhodesia and converted to Christianity in 1977.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: "Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat" - Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges. When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here's how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 3% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 2%
Australia -- Muslim 2.5%
Canada -- Muslim 2.8%
Norway -- Muslim 2.8%
China -- Muslim 2.9%
Italy -- Muslim 2.5%


At 3% to 8%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.


This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 5%
Germany -- Muslim 6.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 7.7%
Spain -- Muslim 8%
Thailand -- Muslim 7.6%


From 8% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply.


This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 12%
Philippines -- 9%
Sweden -- Muslim 8%
Switzerland -- Muslim 8.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 8.5%
Trinidad& Tobago -- Muslim 10.8%


At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 15% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions.
In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.

Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 15%
India -- Muslim 19.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 18%
Russia -- Muslim 21%


After reaching 25%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%


From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non- believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%


After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%



100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace.. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%


Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.


'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.


Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 2 billion Muslims make up 28% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.
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Two days have passed and no one explained how the Dutch can stop a Minister from entering her embassy and deport ? This is nothing to do with Islam as you have tried to explain meaninglessly above. This is the feeling of superiority towards other nations. So the Dutch to Turks.

For your X was Muslim, Y was a Muslim list, there is hundreds of thousands times longer lists of West's crimes and belief of superiority disguised behind the "but Islam is so bad so we have to protect ourselves so bomb and rape and steal from them".

Just a recent example of another Dutch happening .. Remember the Bosnians who were brutally murdered in the U.N. camp by the powers of Milosevic ? The U.N. commander and the military force of the camp were the Dutch, they just let the Serbs kill the Bosnians (Muslims).

I can just say, if any U.N. camp is guarded by a Turkish force, they will rather fight to death and give their own lives before any refugee on the camp is harmed.

The Europe is furious about a handful of refugees, we are living in peace with millions of Syrians, without much aid from anyone for the last 5 years. Before you say "they and you are Muslims so what's the problem?", I can give you a very long list of potential reasons for hostility and unrest. We are not racists, Europeans ARE and that is beyond being Christian. That is your heritage if I might describe.

and again no one has said a word about the Dutch Politicians motives and of course Erdogan's motives. The Christian right wing and the İslamist right wing .. They are totally opposite yet they get a win-win situation. I would have hoped to read more sensical comments on this side of the incident, but no it is fun to bash the Muslims, isn't it
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Two days have passed and no one explained how the Dutch can stop a Minister from entering her embassy and deport ?
I didn't see your question. Embassies do not belong to the host countries, they are sovereign property of the guest country. Diplomats generally enjoy "diplomatic immunity" when it comes to breaking minor local laws outside of embassy property. Just ask anyone in NYC about that - with the UN located in the city it is not unusual to see diplomat cars parked in the middle of the street or diplomats children sent home when arrested for drug crimes and larceny. More serious crimes are generally handled by extradition to the home country.

There is no obligation on the part of the host country to extend immunity when it comes to seditious activities. It doesn't matter which foot that shoe is on, Oric.

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Hamza Ulucay, employed as a translator by the U.S. Consulate in Adana, was detained on Feb. 23 on the suspicion of attempting to incite people through provocative demonstrations on behalf of PKK, and later released under judicial control.
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Since the Turkish Minister was inciting riots in Holland, the Dutch were well within their rights to remove him.
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I assume the Netherlands government feared assembling large
groups of Islamic people would provide another excuse for Islamic
elements to demonstrate and abuse their power .

The Turkish Foreign Minister wanted to enter the Netherlands
to campaign on behalf of the vote to legitimize Erdogans theft of
more power from the Turkish people .

To remain in power Turkish leaders must hand wealth and
power to an un-elected Islamic Theocracy .



Frankly I think that table should tell you everything you need to
know about ''democratic process'' in Turkey .

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Two days have passed and no one explained how the Dutch can stop a Minister from entering her embassy and deport ? This is nothing to do with Islam as you have tried to explain meaninglessly above. This is the feeling of superiority towards other nations. So the Dutch to Turks.

For your X was Muslim, Y was a Muslim list, there is hundreds of thousands times longer lists of West's crimes and belief of superiority disguised behind the "but Islam is so bad so we have to protect ourselves so bomb and rape and steal from them".

Just a recent example of another Dutch happening .. Remember the Bosnians who were brutally murdered in the U.N. camp by the powers of Milosevic ? The U.N. commander and the military force of the camp were the Dutch, they just let the Serbs kill the Bosnians (Muslims).

I can just say, if any U.N. camp is guarded by a Turkish force, they will rather fight to death and give their own lives before any refugee on the camp is harmed.

The Europe is furious about a handful of refugees, we are living in peace with millions of Syrians, without much aid from anyone for the last 5 years. Before you say "they and you are Muslims so what's the problem?", I can give you a very long list of potential reasons for hostility and unrest. We are not racists, Europeans ARE and that is beyond being Christian. That is your heritage if I might describe.

and again no one has said a word about the Dutch Politicians motives and of course Erdogan's motives. The Christian right wing and the İslamist right wing .. They are totally opposite yet they get a win-win situation. I would have hoped to read more sensical comments on this side of the incident, but no it is fun to bash the Muslims, isn't it
Having known some people who were present when this was all occurring that is absolute horseshit.

My opinion here might not be popular but it was a travesty that we interfered, had Milosevic persevered Europe's refugee problem would likely be ten or more years behind where it is now.
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Oric, I'm still a bit confused. I will assume that any Turkish citizens in The Netherlands can vote in this upcoming referendum in Turkey. I will assume that is why Turkish politicians want to enter The Netherlands, to convince Turkish citizens living in The Netherlands to vote for their side in the referendum.

Even with all of the above, why must Country A allow in ANY foreign politician from Country B, C, or D, regardless of their purpose? No religion involved in my question.
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Two days have passed and no one explained how the Dutch can stop a Minister from entering her embassy and deport ? This is nothing to do with Islam as you have tried to explain meaninglessly above. This is the feeling of superiority towards other nations. So the Dutch to Turks.
We all know this had absolutely zero to do with a diplomatic mission or even entering her embassy. This was about attending a rally of Turkish citizens organized from Turkey that related to a Turkish election. Politicians do not have the right to travel to a foreign country and engage in domestic political activities, particularly overt political activities such as a rally or active campaigning. As I mentioned earlier, if Erdogan wants to reach expatriate Turks, he can use traditional or digital media, which work just fine.

I find it ironic that you mention Milosevic/Bosnia. Milosevic was tried and convicted for war crimes largely at the behest of other European (Christian) countries. When was the last time Muslim countries got together and prosecuted a Muslim leader for war crimes? Deafening silence in that regard.
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Having known some people who were present when this was all occurring that is absolute horseshit.
Seriously, which part is BS ?

- Bosnians not murdered ?
- The UN/NATO forces were not the Dutch ?
- They tried to defend the refugees but somehow their guns were jammed ?

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Oric, I'm still a bit confused. I will assume that any Turkish citizens in The Netherlands can vote in this upcoming referendum in Turkey. I will assume that is why Turkish politicians want to enter The Netherlands, to convince Turkish citizens living in The Netherlands to vote for their side in the referendum.

Even with all of the above, why must Country A allow in ANY foreign politician from Country B, C, or D, regardless of their purpose? No religion involved in my question.
What is the Turkish referandum's result got to do with the Netherland politicians ? Mind you, they have never been neutral when it comes to Turkish politics. The terrorist groups like PKK hold open rallies every month in Netherlands while a political rally of Turkish politicians is dangerous for Netherlands security ? The "No" rallies are permitted while "Yes" rallies are prevented (The Turkish politicians on the "No" front who were going to Germany and Netherlands cancelled their trips although they had permissions for rallies)

Is that answer clear enough ?

By the way the Dutch PM got what he wanted from yesterday's election, he got the right wing votes and got more chairs than anticipated.

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if Erdogan wants to reach expatriate Turks, he can use traditional or digital media, which work just fine.
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I find it ironic that you mention Milosevic/Bosnia. Milosevic was tried and convicted for war crimes largely at the behest of other European (Christian) countries. When was the last time Muslim countries got together and prosecuted a Muslim leader for war crimes? Deafening silence in that regard.
Who defines the "war crimes" ? Milosevic did so openly and could not be denied of his trial , Israel against the Palestenians, USA against the Iraqis fail to end in trials because politically you are too damn powerful. Similarly, any war crime committed by a Muslim leader has to be compared if similar incidents have been treated in the same manner when committed by a non-Muslim leader. There is no fairness or impartialness in these issues. That is why there is so outrage towards the west.

I am just explaining to you why the things are happening as you see. Thank you for your patience and courtesy
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Just a recent example of another Dutch happening .. Remember the Bosnians who were brutally murdered in the U.N. camp by the powers of Milosevic ? The U.N. commander and the military force of the camp were the Dutch, they just let the Serbs kill the Bosnians (Muslims).

I can just say, if any U.N. camp is guarded by a Turkish force, they will rather fight to death and give their own lives before any refugee on the camp is harmed.
I agree with rryan; this is absolute horseshit.

I was in Bosnia at the time delivering humanitarian aid to the Bosnians. I can tell you for certain that it wasn't the Dutch but an inept and corrupt UN and its policies that was responsible for the massacre in Srebrenica and elsewhere throughout the region. You could swap Dutch with Turks and the end result would have been the same. To say otherwise is uninformed fantasy.
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I still don't understand, Oric. If Canada were to hold a referendum, should Turkey be required to allow Canadian politicians into Turkey to hold a rally?
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I still don't understand, Oric. If Canada were to hold a referendum, should Turkey be required to allow Canadian politicians into Turkey to hold a rally?
If they outlaw all propaganda activity for both sides it is fine for me, where as in Germany and Netherlands, "Yes" was banned, "No" was supported.
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I agree with rryan; this is absolute horseshit.

I was in Bosnia at the time delivering humanitarian aid to the Bosnians. I can tell you for certain that it wasn't the Dutch but an inept and corrupt UN and its policies that was responsible for the massacre in Srebrenica and elsewhere throughout the region. You could swap Dutch with Turks and the end result would have been the same. To say otherwise is uninformed fantasy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rebrenica.html

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How Dutch peacekeepers looked on as Karadzic's men butchered 8,000 at Srebrenica
I have many eye-witness/victim accounts in Turkish on how the Dutch soliders never left their barracks as the Bosniaks were killed with bayonets. Well, it is always the dysfunctional UN when certain races/nations die and I refuse strongly that given Turkish commanders and soldiers in the area, the refugees would still be alive, regardless of their identity.

edit : to be fair I guess a North American force would be as effective ...

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If they outlaw all propaganda activity for both sides it is fine for me, where as in Germany and Netherlands, "Yes" was banned, "No" was supported.
If anti-Erdogan politicians were allowed to organize rallies but pro-Erdogan politicians were not, I agree with you. That is just wrong.
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Oric, thank you. I agree with Sysiphus' comment above.
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I have many eye-witness/victim accounts in Turkish on how the Dutch soliders never left their barracks as the Bosniaks were killed with bayonets. Well, it is always the dysfunctional UN when certain races/nations die and I refuse strongly that given Turkish commanders and soldiers in the area, the refugees would still be alive, regardless of their identity.

edit : to be fair I guess a North American force would be as effective ...
You should read your own article instead of relying on your biases to fortify your argument.

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With their World War II weaponry and lack of strong leadership, the Dutch were hopelessly ill-equipped to perform this task. They were also hidebound by ludicrous rules of engagement which made them powerless to fend off the Serbs.
As I said, I saw first-hand the effects the policies of the UN (which, really was most of the western world) had on Bosnia and to a large extent, Croatia. Having an arms embargo imposed on a sovereign nation that was attacked by a band of thugs is criminal in an of itself. But to be assured protection and then renege on that promise is not only criminal but also cruel.

You're condemning a group of soldiers and a nation (Dutch) for something they were powerless to oppose. It wasn't only Srebrenica but Tuzla, Gorazde (where even UN troops were captured) and many other "safe areas". I would suggest you quit using Bosnia as an example to bolster your position because you clearly are misinformed.
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