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Old 10-14-2010, 10:52 AM   #1
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Default Prepping for an economic collapse

I'm going to start off with kitchen/food preps. Please add your own comments and info about prepping your home, clothes, children, etc. When we're done I'll combine all of it into a pdf form and put it in our library.

LDS prep pdf: http://www.abysmal.com/LDS/Preparedn...eparedness.pdf

The LDS pdf will help you estimate whether or not you have enough food. Everyone underestimates how much food is "enough". The average person eats 1800 lbs of food per year. Not packaging, food. Think how much you spend on food every week. Do you REALLY think you can replace 1800 lbs of food for $300? Only if you buy rice and beans. Some people create a 30 day menu, then go out and buy enough food to make each meal 12 times. Others buy ingredients and wing it.

Online sources I've used:

Good for large orders, best prices: http://waltonfeed.com/ But they drop ship and it may be months before you see your order.

Longterm dairy products like eggs, butter and sour cream powder, : http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/ higher prices but $4.49 per order shipping.

Freeze dried, fruits, veggies, tvp: http://beprepared.com/

Baking supplies, bread mixes: http://www.preparedpantry.com/


Retail stores:

Buy locally whenever you can - grains, meat, veggies and fruit - and prepare them for storage yourself.

WalMart/Target/local supermarkets - best whole milk is Nido, best powdered milk is WalMart, good for condiments, soups
Big Box for canned meats – chicken breast, spam, ham, cleaning supplies
Aldi's for canned goods.
Ethnic stores for rice, legumes, spices, mixes, sauces
GFS for powdered cheese, powdered gravy mixes, soup bases, flour, other mixes, large cans of beef stew, cleaning supplies (check prices they are often higher than Sam's and much higher than ethnic stores)


Equipment you should have at home:

Basic kitchen supplies, extras of anything breakable.
Canning supplies: All American canner, Ball jars, lots of lids, a set of funnel and tongs. Lemon juice, vinegar, pectin.
Propane tanks and outdoor cooker
Dehydrator: Excalibur 9 tray
Food Saver: to air seal dehydrated foods
Breadmaker
Thermal cooker: Tiger makes the best reviewed.
Grain Grinder: http://www.pleasanthillgrain.com/ We have Country Living manual, Nutrimill is the best electric.
Water filter: Berkey
Pressure cooker, cooks food much quicker than conventional methods. We have an electric but stovetop is less likely to break.

Keep supplies to make a rocket stove and solar cooker... if things get that bad.

Garden:

Seeds: Lettuce, spinach, radish, scallions will all grow well in pots. May have some luck with tomatoes and peppers. Potatoes can be grown in plastic garbage cans.

In central FL strawberry, blueberry, pineapple, kiwi, citrus can all be planted in your yard and will bear fruit.

Cleaning:

Stock a year's cleaning supplies.
Extra liquid fabric softener, clothesline and clothespins to dry clothes.
2-4 large plastic buckets for washing clothes.
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Old 10-14-2010, 11:30 AM   #2
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ahh, what is it ? Must be some food-prepping movement.
we had this food-thingy all the years in the flu-forums.
For pandemics. It was argued you can't go shopping then.
But economical crisis ?
Better prep money,gold,cars,machines,oil,medicine

Best would be...




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Old 10-14-2010, 11:38 AM   #3
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gsgs, many of us over-50 folks remember the gas crisis of 1973 and the subsequent double digit inflation that followed. We're not prepping for TEOTWAKI. We're buying ahead of need as a way to save money.

In the US prices are starting to rise, especially for gas and food. Eventually, our paychecks will catch up with inflation. But between the time prices rise, and the time our income moves up, there can be a prolonged period of extreme hardship. We're trying to avoid that. Prep now, coast through that gap time, and then start buying again when we can better afford the higher prices.
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Old 10-14-2010, 12:07 PM   #4
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I bought a 250 gallon gas tank a couple weeks ago but haven't gotten around to hauling it up here yet.

Guess I need to get that done and get it filled up.
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Old 10-15-2010, 01:48 AM   #5
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Thanks for starting this FB! This is what I've been spending what little spare time I've had. I've puttered with this in the past but I'm really trying to get it together, now. I knew I had used up quite a bit of my stock during the lean winter but still thought I was ok on the basics (though it would be very bare bones!). I went looking for some sort of calculator and found this: http://www.ldspreppers.com/showthrea...t=year+minimum

I know it's bad form to qoute from comments, but you can't miss the take away line:
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As an example, the minimum recommended amount of grain, when ground and prepared will yield about 6 small biscuits or a plateful of pancakes. Its enough to keep you alive, but a far cry from being satisfied and not hungry.
Depressing...that's based on 400 Lbs of grain, pp. I'll never catch up at that rate. I will say that my "plan" is to get the absolute basics for a year (see list at above link) and then go back and start filling in the rest. Same goes for other prep items...getting basics, like water filters, tents, shoes, underwear, seeds, duct tape, superglue, etc. then work on getting the rest of the things I would like. I think my valley girl dd's (and I say that with much love!! ) will be a little surprised with their Christmas gifts A little survival slanted...

I guess since I have limited funds I'm working backwards on this and just trying to get absolute bare bones and work up to fill in the holes. I have some items already like cast iron, camp percolator (this is a PRIORITY for me to function ) My next big purchase is a grain mill-they're just a little pricey but I guess it would be worse if I didn't have it!

I did think about the doctors and already took care of all the dental ones, but don't know what would happen with the one in braces. The next thing that I've been working on is getting the 4 x 4 in tip top shape. Has anyone filled their tires with the new blowout free stuff (too late to look up what the name is)? The other problem that is stumping me, is my mother is a diabetic. I can get her to do the 3 month thing, but that's it. She has moved out of type 2 to type 1 so losing weight is not going to be the answer I was originally counting on. Ugh

I guess it's also time to start visiting ferfal again, daily:http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

This is another good prep site http://preparedldsfamily.blogspot.com/
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Old 10-15-2010, 01:56 AM   #6
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This might be a good thing to put in your med kit:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Make...osan-Bandages/
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Old 10-15-2010, 10:24 AM   #7
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The top 100 things to disappear:

http://baconreport.blogspot.com/2007...st-during.html
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Preppiechick, a tale from my family.

Nobody,including herself, knew my MIL was a diabetic until she ended up in the hospital nearly dying. Her blood sugars were sky high...700 to 800 range.

She was sent home with insulin, and a diet.

Over the next 18 months or so, she lost 150 pounds. Her insulin kept getting reduced, and finally she was able to manage on pills. After the weight loss, she was on no drugs, no dietary restrictions. No signs of diabetes could be found.

She was an inspiration. I used her as an example to many new diabetics that I had to do teaching on.

She had an 8th grade education, although she was a voracious reader.

So, it can be done. But, the patient has to be determined and really stick to the diet.

Now, she was a great cook. If she wanted a piece of chocolate cake, she would manage her diet so as to accomodate that piece of cake.

She was in her late 70s when all this happened.
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Cactus- I wish your mom could have motivated mine 20 years ago! Unfortunately she is beyond that point now. The are saying that she doesn't produce any insulin at all now. Either it was late onset type 1 or she just fried her pancreas because she wouldn't deal with it correctly. That's my guess since she obviously had gestational diabetes when she was pregnant with me ( I was 12.9 !!!- but normal sized kid after that!).

Oh we can't forget to add this to the resource list:
http://www.lehmans.com/
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Just some info~Ace Hardware has 1/2 gallon wide mouth mason jars for $11.49 a case <6 per case>. You can order them online and have them delivered to your local store.

I just ordered 10 cases but I wouldn't have been able to do it if I had to pay for shipping to my house.



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stars - you know that it isn't considered safe to can in that size of jar, right? On the other hand, those jars are ideal for storing dried goods.
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stars - you know that it isn't considered safe to can in that size of jar, right? On the other hand, those jars are ideal for storing dried goods.


Yes, thank you for asking! They are for dried goods and not for canning.

And they go well with the Foodsaver and grinder that just happened to be delivered with them also~~
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I went wild at the store that still had 1lb bags of frozen vegies for $1.00. I am now the proud owner of 24lbs of frozen carrots, corn, green beans and cauliflower.
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You do know that you can dehydrate those frozen veggies and vac pack them?

Will keep your freezer space for meats or shrimp and such.
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You do know that you can dehydrate those frozen veggies and vac pack them?

Will keep your freezer space for meats or shrimp and such.
I'll free up a lot of space if I get those darn turkeys cooked and repackaged. I've got 4 of them hanging around in there and they create a lot of wasted space.
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LV,I seem to have the same trouble, but I have only 2-20# turkeys.

I need to get off my butt, and get those birds in jars.
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LOL We've got several turkeys in the freezer as well. They are destined to become italian sausage, chorizo and bratwurst.

We cleaned out the refrigerator freezer. Might not sound like a prep thing at first but we ended up with the primary goal, organized chaos. We have good idea of what needs to be used up first. This particular freezer is where we store things that have been opened and leftovers primarily. We organize it much like the pantry. Other freezers in the house are designated for foods that are in a more basic form.
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Here are some comments on a prep book written by an Argentinian who lived thru the 2001 Argentina economy collapse. The good news is that you can survive in an urban srras. In fact it might even be better in an urban area. The bad news is that an econ collapse can be bad.

Reviews are favorable.


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Here are some comments on a prep book written by an Argentinian who lived thru the 2001 Argentina economy collapse. The good news is that you can survive in an urban srras. In fact it might even be better in an urban area. The bad news is that an econ collapse can be bad.

Reviews are favorable.


http://www.amazon.com/dp/9870563457?...940GNQNZC4AF5&
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Its funny that you posted ferfal because I had just bookmarked these last night to try and catch up on this week:

part 1/12- other links on the side:


For those who don't know ferfal, or his blog (which is under a different name now):
http://www.themodernsurvivalist.com/
or here:
http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

I also found this- most of us know all of this, but this is one of the more complete compilations I've found- good one to pass on to others:

http://www.tomeaker.com/kart/preparedness1i.pdf
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Here are some comments on a prep book written by an Argentinian who lived thru the 2001 Argentina economy collapse. The good news is that you can survive in an urban srras. In fact it might even be better in an urban area. The bad news is that an econ collapse can be bad.

Reviews are favorable.


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MsCoffee, search for The Modern Survival Manual: Surviving the Economic Collapse by Fernando Ferfal Aguirre

Ferfal has a blog too - http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

If you are thinking of buying the book you may want to click on the link on his site so he gets the extra $$$ for the sale. (more like cents, but I am sure every penny helps... )


Another interesting post crash read is Cathy Buckle's blog. She lives in Zimbabwe - http://www.cathybuckle.com/
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