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Old 03-06-2017, 10:05 AM   #1
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Default Stars and Stripes in Syria

Convoy of American tanks rolls through war-torn country as 500 US special forces troops join battle against ISIS on the ground

The US military has deployed 500 special forces operators to Syria to assist in the war against ISIS
A column of armored personnel carriers was sent to advance on the northern Syrian city of Manbij
Colonel John Dorrian said the troops were deployed to 'deter aggression and keep focus of defeating ISIS'
Coalition forces have blocked all land routes leaving the ISIS capital of Raqqa according to Kurdish sources


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...yed-Syria.html


The US has deployed 500 special forces troops to Syria and also
provides air cover targeting ISIS positions
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Old 03-06-2017, 10:23 AM   #2
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A friend of mine's analysis

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TODAY'S QUESTION: Could the US limit or discard Turkey's role in the capture of Raqqa if Turkey and its Euphrates Shield allies continue to target US-backed SDF forces?

MY ANSWER: They can but with a price.
SDF is a thinly veiled front for the PKK, which has a 30–year tradition of changing names of its subsidiaries. SDF is YPG with some Arab-speaking Marxist-Leninist converts. YPG is 100% PKK-in-Syria, many of its human resources from Turkey. SDF and YPG gives PKK indoctrination based on ideologic formulations of Abdullah Ocalan, founder and leader of the PKK.
Picture: SDF/YPG/PYD forces in Ain-al-Arab take an oath on PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan
Link: The Washington Post on SDF/YPG/PKK training: https://www.google.com.tr/…/6e457866...-acda-59924ca…
Therefore SDF, YPG or PYD are only the PKK, which is an existential threat and a NATO and US declared terrorist organisation just as ISIS or Al Qaida.
Until now Obama government has denied SDF/YPG/PYD are terrorists because the acronyms are written different from the PKK.
Washington in fact is doing nothing less than nation building. By training PKK’s Marxist-Leninist militia in special warfare with its already Guam-island trained Kurdish leadership cadres it is nation-building a Leninist empire on four countries: Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran.
Picture: Aftermath of a PKK bomb attack in Diyarbakır province
There are strategic thinkers in USA with the twisted idea that the best ally in the region must be in Israel’s mould: with an alien culture to the region and with a constant need to create conflicts to survive. That’s ‘good’ for military industrial complex, good for oil men, and good for the bank.
Turkey knows it has to act before it is too late. US is considered unreliable especially after the attempted coup and last year’s Joe Biden visit when he said SDF will pull back to Euphrates from Manbij immediately but they didn’t.
As a result Turkey decided to move in itself together with FSA militia to push the PKK from Manbij to the other side of Euphrates. Turkey under double attack from both the PKK and ISIS saw that it has to liberate ISIS controlled areas and encircle the heavily fortified PKK aided by ex British and US special forces mercenaries with high salaries and German-supplied and trained Milan anti-tank missile systems.
Capturing the third most important center of ISIS after Raqqa and Mosoul costed Turkey over 300 commando lives and FSA several thousands. ISIS lost on the order of tens of thousand.
Map: Euphrates Shield operation in Northern Syria: Jarabulus, Al Bab, Manbij
Now before moving to Raqqa, Turkey/FSA will move north to put a siege of PKK in Manbij and drive them to the other side of Euphrates.
After liberating the Arab (but etnically cleansed by PKK) town of Manbij for moderate FSA forces next target is Raqqa, regardless of US involvement. Both ISIS and PKK regularly stages terrorist attack in Turkish cities and Turkey does not have to wait for Washington. But it would be much better and causing less Turkish lives.
The fourth target of Turkey after Raqqa is likely to be Ain-al-Arab and Shengal, together with not only FSA but also the Peshmarga led by Masoud Barzani, whose officials and loyalists were massacred by the PKK. Turkey naturally prefers Barzani led Kurdish Autonomous Region to PKK.
Picture: Turkish President Erdogan and President of Autonomous Kurdish Region of Iraq Barzani on March the 1st, 2007.
Is there any logic in US supporting and relying on the PKK despite all its former friends, Turkey, Peshmerga and FSA in the region see it as the enemy? There isn’t.
Obama’s actions were a misjudgement. Now it's the time to choose for Trump.
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If Turkey is going after YPG-held Manbij first, then they are unlikely to reach Raqqah before the YPG / US contingents do. Plus, Syrian government forces look like they are quickly taking the IS held areas west of the Euphrates and south of Turkey's incursion area.

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Rare to see Special Forces rolling in something as heavy and conventional as Strykers. They aren't screwing around, they're there for a major fight with that kind of kit... This is equipment typically used by line infantry battalions. It's big, relatively loud, well armed and armoured, and has a large profile. Not what they will typically use.
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Old 03-07-2017, 03:24 PM   #5
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idk, but seems more likely the 500 US are to safely escort the Kurdish ground troops out of Manbij.. Seeing how the Kurds have already kick ISIS butts out of Manbij.

""Colonel John Dorrian said the troops were deployed to 'deter [Turkish] aggression and keep focus on defeating ISIS'""

hey, just saying.

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Old 03-08-2017, 07:13 PM   #6
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Rare to see Special Forces rolling in something as heavy and conventional as Strykers. They aren't screwing around, they're there for a major fight with that kind of kit... This is equipment typically used by line infantry battalions. It's big, relatively loud, well armed and armoured, and has a large profile. Not what they will typically use.
I agree that it's very unusual to see Special Forces in a column of Strykers. It was odd enough that I did a little digging. It turns out that the Strykers (and other vehicles not pictured) are manned by members of the 75th Ranger Regiment. The article quoted below also mentions that members of the 1st Battalion, 4th Marines, 11th MEU quietly deployed a few weeks ago to provide heavy artillery support for forces fighting in Raqqa.

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The new Marine mission was disclosed after members of the Army’s elite 75th Ranger Regiment appeared in the Syrian city of Manbij over the weekend in Strykers, heavily armed, eight-wheel armored vehicles. Defense officials said they are there to discourage Syrian or Turkish troops from taking any moves that could shift the focus away from an assault on Islamic State militants.
U.S. Army Rangers are part of the "Special Operations" command (SOCOM), but they aren't "Special Forces". I think that media reports which use the term "Special Foces" both inaccurately and too frequently have created confusion about the two terms. SOCOM includes Army Rangers, Special Forces (Green Berets), and Army Nightstalkers (an Army Special Operations aviation group). It also includes Marine Raiders, Force Recon troops and Navy Seals. The Air Force assets include Combat Air Controllers, Pararescuemen, and Special Ops Weathermen.

So when the Daily Mail, or other media sources, says something like "...500 special forces operators", it doesn't necessarily mean Special Forces (Green Berets). In this article, like so many others, the term "special forces" is inaccurate. It should say "500 Special Ops" troops, which includes the full spectrum of available SOCOM forces.

I've long since given up on expecting accuracy in media reports. Still, there are instances, like this article, when their rampant ignorance and laziness drives me nuts.
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The new Marine mission was disclosed after members of the Army’s elite 75th Ranger Regiment appeared in the Syrian city of Manbij over the weekend in Strykers, heavily armed, eight-wheel armored vehicles. Defense officials said they are there to discourage Syrian or Turkish troops from taking any moves that could shift the focus away from an assault on Islamic State militants.
Meaning : We are openly siding with YPG --> PKK to continue the Grand Plan to setup a Kurdish State in the Middle East. Since ISIS was created mainly for this reason, the plan continues despite Turkey's intervention to prevent this pseudo-state to reach Mediterranean (capture of Al-Bab). The July 15th coup was planned/staged by CIA to stop Turkey from intervening and later speed up the annexation of SE Tyrkey with this Kurdish State but it failed.

Why the Syrian state is prevented can be the subject of a comic book called "Bringing Democracy to Middle East". Syrian Army is the legal state army of Syria. Why are you preventing them to claim what is theirs ? They can fight ISIS in parallel, help them !
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Rare to see Special Forces rolling in something as heavy and conventional as Strykers. They aren't screwing around, they're there for a major fight with that kind of kit... This is equipment typically used by line infantry battalions. It's big, relatively loud, well armed and armoured, and has a large profile. Not what they will typically use.
Bri, you should be the first to realize that the media is never gonna get shit right. "Special Forces" in this case means the 75th Ranger Regiment. Not green beanies or MARSOC, SEAL's or the D Boys. It sounds sensational. But no, these are Rangers, riding in battle taxi's.

Having said that, Rangers break shit and kill people very well and on a much larger scale than the snake eaters I mentioned. They have weapons and training at a level above a traditional "leg" battalion.

Marines are now in-country as well, providing artillery support. If my count is correct, that is all 4 branches of the U.S. Military in Syria, either in the airspace overhead or beatin' feet on the ground.
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To me, it looks like Trump wants to make good on his promise to eliminate IS quickly. He might not get it all done within the first 100 days, but he'll have moved the ball forward quite a bit.

Within the past couple of weeks:

- Syria has retaken Palmyra from IS (again) with heavy US drone / air support
- Syria has taken territory in eastern Aleppo all the way to the Euphrates, thus preventing Turkey from moving further south
- US, Russian, Syria, and Kurdish (YPG) forces have been seen in Manbij, indicating that no one wants Turkey to move against the Kurds
- Kurdish forces supported by the US have cut the road to Raqqa, thus isolating the city and beginning the slow siege process
- Mosul has become fully surrounded and IS is cut off from further reinforcements and supplies.
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Bri, you should be the first to realize that the media is never gonna get shit right. "Special Forces" in this case means the 75th Ranger Regiment. Not green beanies or MARSOC, SEAL's or the D Boys. It sounds sensational. But no, these are Rangers, riding in battle taxi's.

Having said that, Rangers break shit and kill people very well and on a much larger scale than the snake eaters I mentioned. They have weapons and training at a level above a traditional "leg" battalion.

Marines are now in-country as well, providing artillery support. If my count is correct, that is all 4 branches of the U.S. Military in Syria, either in the airspace overhead or beatin' feet on the ground.
I did the same Googling and found the same info about these Strykers likely being 75th Ranger. I also know that 75th Ranger often acts as a quasi-conventional support unit for various SOCOM elements when they need battalion-level assets. Likely in this case they're working hand in hand with the Rangers providing mechanization over motorization due to the threat picture.

One thing I am bloody sure of is that if the Rangers are in Syria, there will be a whole bunch of snake eaters there too. And they will be the main effort, not the more conventional forces.
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- Kurdish forces supported by the US have cut the road to Raqqa, thus isolating the city and beginning the slow siege process
https://sputniknews.com/military/201...y-russia-s400/

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