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Old 06-18-2017, 02:16 AM   #1
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Default PC English only or jail for Canadians .

Compelled Speech has arrived .

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Canada passed a law Thursday making it illegal to use the wrong gender
pronouns. Critics say that Canadians who do not subscribe to progressive
gender theory could be accused of hate crimes, jailed, fined, and made
to take anti-bias training.
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Old 06-18-2017, 07:06 AM   #2
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An interesting article, but a poor choice for the thread name IMO...speaking of incorrect titles.
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Old 06-18-2017, 07:20 AM   #3
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Mouse .... in deference to your superior good taste I have changed the title.



Imagine yourself going to jail for referencing this sweetie
by the wrong gender pronoun .



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Old 06-18-2017, 09:09 AM   #4
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DD1 has a friend with VERY fluid gender identity. Let's call this person "Pat." Pat decides upon arising what gender Pat wishes to be that day. Pat also becomes irate if friends fail to note Pat's gender-of-the-day and use appropriate pronouns. So Pat's friends use no pronouns at all in referring to Pat. They use Pat's name exclusively.
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Old 06-18-2017, 09:46 AM   #5
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So will all books that contain the words he, his, her(s) or she be taken out of schools and libraries? What about music, television, movies? This could be an issue for local television and radio stations here. How do you prevent signal spillover? Will US television or radio stations in boarder areas be held liable for somone in Canada hearing the words he or she.

I wonder how long it will be before personal titles, suffixes and non neutral first names are banned?
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Old 06-18-2017, 10:55 AM   #6
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As a Canadian with more than a passing familiarity with how our law actually functions, this is 90% bullshit.

First, on the criminal side, we have only two actual 'hate crimes' (FYI all of Canada's criminal law is federal and applies to every jurisdiction). One is S.318 Advocating Genocide . The other is S. 319, Public Incitement of Hatred. That offense is for those whose actions or expressions are likely to actively [i]incite[i] hatred, and where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace. It's a very high threshold and the charge is very rarely laid. So on the criminal side, this new law basically just says it's illegal to try to incite hatred against people on the grounds of gender identity the same was as it already is based on race, nationality, seuxal orientation, sex, etc.

On the non-criminal side, the Canadian Human Rights Act (not 'code' - that article was utter garbage) basically outlines grounds on which an employer or business or person engaging in business is forbidden to discriminate in their practices. E.g., you cannot refuse to rent your apartment to someone who's gay or native. E.g., if you're an employer, and a woman requires reasonable accommodation because she's pregnant, you must accommodate her. Likewise for people with a physical / medical disability. Adding gender expression to this really just means that if one of your employees goes through gender reassignment surgery and now identifies as male instead of female, you can't keep petulantly referring to them as 'she' in company correspondence, or deny them promotion/opportunity because it offends you that Wanda is now William.

At the end of the day, these changes in law basically just mean that someone who is transgendered gets the same legal protections that most other people already get. It will make negligible real difference in most instances, but for those who do quite genuinely face discrimination in the workplace or housing rentals, it will protect them. Unsurprisingly this is getting spun up by some as something it's not.
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Lawyer Brown told the Senate Committee the federal Liberals have made it clear they will follow Ontario’s lead when implementing Bill C-16. And Ontario Human Rights Code guidelines “mandate” the use of genderless pronouns on request, he said.

“Mandating use of pronouns requires one to use words that are not their own that imply a belief in or agreement with a certain theory on gender,” he added.

“If you try to disavow that theory, you can be brought before the Human Rights Commission for misgendering or potentially find yourself guilty of a hate crime. To sum up, on the subject of gender, we’re going to have government-mandated speech.”

Those who refuse to go along could be “brought before the federal tribunal,” Brown said.

If the tribunal assesses a penalty such as a fine or “non-monetary remedy, such as a cease and desist order or an order to compel them to do something,” and the person refuses, “they will find themselves in contempt of court and prison is the likely outcome of that process until they purge the contempt,” he added.
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Yup, that's from a fringe anti-abortion advocacy who falls generally very right on all of our social issues. No doubt they've been able to find a few people saying what they want to hear. I stand by all of what I described above. This is a tempest in a tea pot. No private person is going to find themselves facing charges for ignoring someone's preferred gender pronouns. Our law just doesn't work like that. Our human rights laws typically operate in the context of employment, rentals, and sometimes news media where there is extreme bad faith.
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Most people know zip about legal process and their real chances of
being caught out by the system .

However they do know fines , court costs , lawyers etc can hurt
their wallet very badly along with their chances of employment
and promotion .

Which means that in a situation like this they will be fearful and cautious .
Some who have to speak often in public like teachers ,
councillors etc may even be stressed by the constant threat of making
mistakes and being reported .

Do the people of this world really need more petty rules and
the bureaucrats to police them riding on their backs day and night ?
Have a guess what I think .

What percentage of the population are transgender people ?
One in 100,000 is my guess . Did anyone poll them to find out if
the majority even want this change or do research to find out if there
is a real benefit ? Did anybody poll the remainder of the population
to find out if changing the language for a supposed tiny minority
is acceptable . Heck no , the Left are infallible and never
make mistakes , we all know that .

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Canadians could be jailed or fined for using the incorrect gender pronoun. Mark Steyn says be prepared to go to court.

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So it's all "they, them, their" now, eh, so as not to offend transgenders? What about us grammar police? What about ME? *I* am agitated at the very thought of singular persons being referred to in the plural! Do I not deserve the same consideration?!?
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