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Old 08-02-2011, 10:59 AM   #26
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I hate to say this people but you cannot outrun this event .

It may be with you for 15 to 30 years .

Which means you need a steady source of income(s)
even if very small.
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:19 PM   #27
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Couldn't get Lars link to work either(its a funky thing amazon does) but it works from oughts link (see where it is typed out on his quote vs. the little logo in Lars post
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:32 PM   #28
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How long can you store gas for ?
With StayBil gas stabilizer (the marine formula) about a year, but with PRI gas stabilizer I've gone two years without a problem, and their site says that with yearly addition, it can easily go three years. If the grid goes down, make sure you have a hand pump, preferably one of the squeeze-bulb type if your tank is above ground. The squeeze-bulb type are also great for siphoning gas out of car tanks, etc.
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:34 PM   #29
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I hate to say this people but you cannot outrun this event .

It may be with you for 15 to 30 years .

Which means you need a steady source of income(s)
even if very small.
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My gut tells me you're right but I'm still in the denial/bargaining stage of grief...keep hoping SOMEONE will fix this. Not for my sake, so much, I won't like it but I could manage(but not the fighting thing- rather find a hole and hide ) but for my kids. They're in hs and college and were raised in "this" world- my fault for not teaching them more skills - instead stressing the academic ...thought they would have a better life than my struggles- and they are excited and making plans for their futures and I don't want to turn lovely optimistic girls into bitter pessimistic ones. I mourn their loss and plan in the background, so they can live life to the fullest now. It's pretty stressful keeping up this facade of normalcy and then quietly prepping for teotwawki in the background. I spent my limited resources and time making sure they could go to good schools and live in a safe area. Wish I had just stayed in a rural area and bought a farm. Now it's too hard to do- only thing besides PM's that have gone up on value. And I think it's THE.ONLY.WAY any of us make it...
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Old 08-02-2011, 01:25 PM   #30
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How long can you store gas for ?
Seriously, if TEOTWAWKI comes, we better all just forget about having gasoline in any form unless we live on top of an oil well. Whatever we can store is going to eventually run out.
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Old 08-02-2011, 01:38 PM   #31
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Seriously, if TEOTWAWKI comes, we better all just forget about having gasoline in any form unless we live on top of an oil well. Whatever we can store is going to eventually run out.
We've been researching wood gasifiers:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas_generator
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Old 08-04-2011, 11:58 AM   #32
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MsCoffee, search for The Modern Survival Manual: Surviving the Economic Collapse by Fernando Ferfal Aguirre

Ferfal has a blog too - http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

If you are thinking of buying the book you may want to click on the link on his site so he gets the extra $$$ for the sale. (more like cents, but I am sure every penny helps... )


Another interesting post crash read is Cathy Buckle's blog. She lives in Zimbabwe - http://www.cathybuckle.com/
Thank you! FB. I read his blog awhile back but wanted to see how well the book was received. I'll be putting it on my 'things to buy' list.

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Couldn't get Lars link to work either(its a funky thing amazon does) but it works from oughts link (see where it is typed out on his quote vs. the little logo in Lars post
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Old 08-04-2011, 12:59 PM   #33
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Found an interesting site - looking over the gardening info now. Lots of videos:
http://modernsurvivalonline.com/surv...ads/gardening/
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Old 08-08-2011, 07:43 PM   #34
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Someone read your headline,FB ;

http://www.preparednesspro.com/blog/...o-a-financial/

(if you get a chance scroll to the comments- the sheep are awakening and they're prepping and going to gun shows):
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Old 08-08-2011, 08:33 PM   #35
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pc, lets hope so... the more average people are prepared the less you and I have to worry.
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Old 08-08-2011, 08:43 PM   #36
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Ha Ha Ha .........Im a photographer and have a new "handi-cam" so if a lot of crap hits the fan here my videos "might" be world news.
I remember my Farther telling me about the riots outside Banks in Australia in 1929 .....I would love to have somthing like that in my home movie collection
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Old 08-14-2011, 01:41 AM   #37
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I hate to say this people but you cannot outrun this event .

It may be with you for 15 to 30 years .

Which means you need a steady source of income(s)
even if very small.
I agree completely, Ross. We are working really hard to pare our living expenses down to as little as possible and stocking up on nonperishables as they go on sale. Both DH and I are taking as many jobs as humanly possible and available right now, trying to build up as much of a cash reserve as possible while we can. Yet, our bottom line has been reduced by about 20% a year for the past few years. It's a scary time.
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Old 08-14-2011, 07:46 PM   #38
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Funny. I just tried for the bottom link in Ought's 2-17-2011 post, the complete food storage FAQ. Got a 404 error.

Then looked at what appears in the bottom left of my screen, and saw:

http://www.shelfreliance.com/files/FAQ.pdff

not http://www.shelfreliance.com/files/FAQ.pdf

Went ahead and clicked, when the new window opened, I removed the extra f and tried again. Voila!
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Old 08-14-2011, 07:48 PM   #39
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Thanks Ham... I fixed the link in the original post.
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I want to scale back on the food budget so I ordered some new cook books on beans and vegetarian cooking and once the weather cools a bit I'll be trying out some new recipes. I plan on introducing many of them as side dishes to start and eventually turn the favorites into main dishes.

With the last kidlet gone my excitement over redoing the house is a 2 fold bonus. It allows me be repurpose rooms that we aren't actively using and will allow for a more user friendly environment. We can and will make large purchases of things like towels, socks, paper goods and what not when on sale and no longer have to be concerned that they will disappear.
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Old 12-12-2011, 05:04 AM   #41
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Keep supplies to make a rocket stove and solar cooker... if things get that bad.
I have been wanting to make a rocket stove for quite some time but never got around to it. Instead, I have recently decided to buy one online. I am taking the lazy way out. Anyway, there are a lot of sticks and fallen limbs around here. Every time I see that, I think to myself: "There is fuel to cook with." Most people may not see sticks and fallen limbs in that way but after cooking with nothing more than a hobo stove in the past, I know this method of cooking works. In fact, just by taking a #10 can and cutting some holes in the bottom, and adding a hole on the side to add fuel (small sticks and wood chips), it actually works quite well. So I am thinking a rocket stove would even be more efficient.
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Old 12-12-2011, 06:53 AM   #42
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$5 seems to be the new norm with veggies. Just about everything in the produce aisle is $4.99 a lb, or a bag, or a bunch.

The back of my pool cage is filled with growing things, and I pick a big salad for my lunch every day. I have plans to expand to include at least one main course veggie per day by going vertical inside the cage and putting some raised beds inside my small suburban side yards. We have two growing seasons here, spring and fall, and I can even eek out some things during the winter (experimenting with brussels sprouts this year and will expand next year) and summer (radishes, kale, sweet potatoes, peppers, pineapple and stevia all like the heat). My challenge is going to be keeping the critters out of the outside garden.
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I decided to get a volcano stove because the top is wide enough to grill and will also hold a pot as well. And it will use wood or charcoal. I still may buy or make a rocket stove.


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What about a Kelly Kettle? Heating water on top of a volcano stove uses a lot more fuel. Boil water in the Kelly Kettle and save the stove for cooking and grilling your meals.
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I had to look:

http://www.kellykettle.com/
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The kelly kettle is pretty cool. It is basically the same thing as a Swiss Army volcano stove I was looking at on ebay. Here is the rocket stove I was thinking about:

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Another excellent cooking option is a Dutch oven. It can be used in your oven, or can be used with charcoal or coals from a wood fire. You can bake, stew, roast, simmer, boil, fry, deep fry, steam in it. If I had a Dutch oven, a grill to throw over the fire, a wok and a stack of bamboo steamers, I think that I could cook just about anything.
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I lived without a stove or oven for a couple of years. I had a kerosene heater that did fine for heating water, a fireplace for baked potatoes and other foil wrapped fire roasted meals, or just put foil over the top of any cast iron skillet or pot to keep wayward sparks and char out of your dinner. Any flame will do, really. It's more about keeping the house or woods from burning down while you make dinner than generating the heat needed to cook what's in the pot.
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This appears to be a nice stove. It looks similar to a rocket stove but does not have an insulated chamber. I really like the larger surface for grilling.


By the way, I am not advertising, just posting things that would be convenient to have.
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Aw gee, Greta... you're not a spammer? You ruined my day.

Seriously, the links are good. There are so many products out there, and a lot of them are new since survivalism is getting so much more attention these days.
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