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Old 08-29-2011, 12:25 PM   #1
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Default Bird flu fear as mutant strain hits China and Vietnam

Avian flu shows signs of a resurgence, while a mutant strain - able to sidestep vaccines - could be spreading in Asia, the United Nations has warned.

The variant appeared in Vietnam and China and its risk to humans cannot be predicted, veterinary officials said.




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14709024
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:10 PM   #2
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Not much news on the "side-stepping" vaccines part in that story..,
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Old 08-29-2011, 05:06 PM   #3
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You wonder what vaccines? Those for birds? There's no human vaccine in use.
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Australians travelling to South-East Asia are advised to avoid contact with live chickens following a UN warning about bird flu.

http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/bre...830-1jjw1.html
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Old 08-30-2011, 11:24 AM   #5
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This has made into mainstream news however since the apparent "sham" news on H1N1 last year people won't care ...
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Australians travelling to South-East Asia are advised to avoid contact with live chickens following a UN warning about bird flu.

http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/bre...830-1jjw1.html
People on those "Sex Tours" to Thailand have to worry about this? Specifically about Chickens?????
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Old 08-30-2011, 11:35 AM   #7
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Perverts eh.
Must have a high ratio on the length of the index finger to that of the ring finger to catch H1N5.
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Old 08-30-2011, 11:42 AM   #8
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Perverts eh.
Must have a high ratio on the length of the index finger to that of the ring finger to catch H1N5.
Now, thats funny right thar....................
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After reading how to unbind an egg bound chicken..,

Wear latex.
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Default no vaccine against a mutant strain

(Reuters) - Virologists warned on Tuesday that there was no vaccine against a mutant strain of H5N1 bird flu now spreading in China and Vietnam and called for closer monitoring of the disease in poultry and wild birds.

Scientists are uncertain if this new strain -- called H5N1-2.3.2.1 -- is more virulent in people, they said it was different enough from its predecessor to escape the human H5N1 vaccine.

"There is a human H5N1 vaccine candidate that is a (WHO)recommended vaccine ... But it doesn't confer full protection against the (new variant)," said leading virologist Malik Peiris at the University of Hong Kong.

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Old 08-30-2011, 12:35 PM   #11
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So far, it's mainly a threat against poultry. Two crucial steps remain for ANY H5N1 to become a serious human threat - easily caught BY humans... it isn't. Esily transmissible BETWEEN humans... hasn't happened yet either.

Trust me, we'll know.
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Old 08-30-2011, 12:57 PM   #12
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and should mutated H1N1

Tamiflu-Resistant Flu Outbreak Reported in Australia’s Newcastle, WHO Says
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By Jason Gale - Aug 25, 2011 9:25 PM ET

More than two dozen cases of H1N1 swine flu resistant to Roche Holding AG (ROG)’s Tamiflu pill were reported in Australia in the largest outbreak of the drug- evading influenza strain.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...-who-says.html

meet up with mutated H5N1...then watch out

and wheather by change or design it won't be a pretty sight

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Old 08-30-2011, 01:39 PM   #13
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This is ProMeds comment on this. H5N1 is involving around the vaccine in use now but that's a vaccine for birds:

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ProMED-mail rapporteur Mary Marshall

[According to WHO, the primary risk factor for human infection appears
to be direct or indirect exposure to infected live or dead poultry or
contaminated environments. Controlling circulation of the H5N1 virus
in poultry is essential to reducing the risk of human infection. Given
the persistence of the H5N1 virus in some poultry populations, control
will require long term commitments from countries and strong
coordination between animal and public health authorities.

There is no evidence to suggest that the H5N1 virus can be transmitted
to humans through properly prepared poultry or eggs. A few human cases
have been linked to consumption of dishes made of raw, contaminated
poultry blood. However, slaughter, defeathering, handling carcasses of
infected poultry, and preparing poultry for consumption, especially in
household settings, are likely to be risk factors.

Influenza pandemics (outbreaks that affect a large proportion of the
world) are unpredictable but recurring events that can have health,
economic, and social consequences worldwide. An influenza pandemic
occurs when key factors converge: an influenza virus emerges with the
ability to cause sustained transmission from human-to-human, and there
is very low, or no, immunity to the virus among most people. In the
interconnected world of today, a localized epidemic can transform into
a pandemic rapidly, with little time to prepare a public health
response to halt the spread of illness.

The H5N1 AI virus remains one of the influenza viruses with pandemic
potential, because it continues to circulate widely in some poultry
populations, most humans likely have no immunity to it, and it can
cause severe disease and death in humans. In addition to H5N1, other
animal influenza virus subtypes reported to have infected people
include avian H7 and H9, and swine H1 and H3 viruses. H2 viruses may
also pose a pandemic threat. Therefore, pandemic planning should
consider risks of emergence of a variety of influenza subtypes from a
variety of sources (see:
<http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/avian_influenza/en/index.html>).

Avian influenza A/(H5N1) virus has been continuously evolving as
indicated by the clade designation 2.3.2.1. FAO has been prudent to
draw attention to the resurgence of avian influenza in poultry and the
prevalence of a novel strain apparently not susceptible to control by
currently deployed veterinary vaccines
. However, there is no evidence
as yet to indicate that this new strain is more transmissible to and
between humans.
The high lethality of avian H5N1 influenza virus for
humans in Cambodia is not a new or general phenomenon. - Mod.CP]

[see also:

http://www.promedmail.org/pls/apex/f..._ID:1000,90047
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:25 PM   #14
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It might be a good idear to get a flu shot this year....our local polititions are covering up a deadly outbreak in Australia.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-3...2/?site=sydney
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Old 08-30-2011, 09:04 PM   #15
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Deadly outbreak among humans? What strain?
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Old 08-31-2011, 05:13 AM   #16
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Dont know what strain buuuuut.......On the T.V. news I heard that last mounth in Sydney 4 children where found dead in their beds after going to bed O.K.
Early in the winter the Media stated there where "multiple" strains of A&B with H1N1 the dominant strain so there might be a "brand new strain" coming after that..
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:38 AM   #17
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Default LONDON, Aug. 31, 2011

The possible combination of influenza strains H1N1 (high infectivity) and H5N1 (high lethality) is a matter of global concern (1, 2). Bioradar UK Ltd announced today (3) first, that the Replikin Counts of the two virus strains have risen simultaneously, not seen previously. Additionally, the rise is to their highest levels in 50 years (H1N1, 16.7; H5N1, 23.3), and that clinical outbreaks of each strain are now occurring. These simultaneous conditions may increase the risk that the two virus strains might come into contact with each other more frequently, facilitating transfer of genomic material to form a hybrid.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...128772993.html
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:41 AM   #18
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The possible combination of influenza strains H1N1 (high infectivity) and H5N1 (high lethality) is a matter of global concern (1, 2). Bioradar UK Ltd announced today (3) first, that the Replikin Counts of the two virus strains have risen simultaneously, not seen previously. Additionally, the rise is to their highest levels in 50 years (H1N1, 16.7; H5N1, 23.3), and that clinical outbreaks of each strain are now occurring. These simultaneous conditions may increase the risk that the two virus strains might come into contact with each other more frequently, facilitating transfer of genomic material to form a hybrid.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...128772993.html
Replikins?

Haven't we laughed a lot over that "technology" many times in the past?

Your link is a PR Newswire print. "Public Relations." Not science, IMO.
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Its the first day of Spring in Australia..........
Incoming migratory birds ......millions of swallows.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:21 AM   #22
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Default Vaccine or no vaccine?

I am amazed that on most of the links the comments below go on about the NWO and how the vaccine is evil and will kill you. Do most people really think this?

I think vaccines are one of the greatest advancements of modern medicine. The population is healthier and have better quality lives. Are memories so short society forgets what it was like when pollio, small pox, etc were real fears? I get the Flu shot every year and have never had a problem.

When I ask my family doctor he always recommends it and points out people still get very sick and even die from regular flu. I'm hoping when the pandemic comes that one of those previous shots may at least give me partial immunity.

With H1N1 and H5N1 out there the chance for a hybrid is very scary. I hope I never see those days.

Do you get the flu shot?
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Hawk? I have been lurking on this site for years and seldom post. Great resource. Looking for the 1-2 days advance notice I find here. Prepping but would like to beat the masses to the store if SHTF.

Expecting and interesting Flu season.......
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It might become interesting. The frst few years after a pandemic tend to be 'off pattern' & there's often an opportunity for new strains to enjoy more success.
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