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Old 09-16-2012, 12:51 PM   #1
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Default Dead american dogs from Chinese Jerk

http://www.king5.com/news/FDA-says-p...169903246.html

Last time we saw this, H5N1 was a crisis in China....
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Old 09-16-2012, 02:06 PM   #2
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FDA Investigates Animal Illnesses Linked to Jerky Pet Treats

September 13, 2012
http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/.../ucm319463.htm
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Old 09-16-2012, 06:09 PM   #3
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My wife regularly gave our dog some kind of strip treat and
those are exactly the symptoms our dog had before it death
few weeks ago . I seems the Chinese may have been
killing dogs on a global scale .

The symptoms initially were
- weight loss
- excessive consumption of water
- legarthy
- change in urination patterns

- Final stage symptoms with sudden onset
- vomiting
- diarrhea
- bleeding from the bowel
- very lethargic
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Shit, sorry to hear about your dog. I have three and would never give them anything from china.
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Why is this in Flu Spec? I doubt very much that the doggie treats were contaminated with flu virus. It's much more likely that some toxic chemical compound was used in the processing.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:41 AM   #6
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Why is this in Flu Spec? I doubt very much that the doggie treats were contaminated with flu virus. It's much more likely that some toxic chemical compound was used in the processing.

Maybe channeling caonacl's spirit ?
Wasn't it PE whom recently mention they missed reading caonacl's posts?
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:49 PM   #7
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Why is this in Flu Spec? I doubt very much that the doggie treats were contaminated with flu virus. It's much more likely that some toxic chemical compound was used in the processing.
Yes, I like to see the Flu spec forum populated with speculation.....

Indeed, during the H5N1 crisis there was a large rash of dead dogs from eating dog treats from Chinese origens.

The downsides could be twofold for dogs....

1. latent contamination from flu virus. H5N1 killed many wild animals when they ate the carcases of dead by flu birds. See bengal tigers...

2. Spoiled meat. The Chinese have very poor ethics when it comes to sourcing and protecting feed stock for animals as well as humans. It is not inconceivable that the latest outbreak in china has the Chinese repurposing dead animals by disease to pet food manufacturers.
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:24 PM   #8
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The original article does give much to go on so Flu Spec is possible but i'm pretty sure MA is right and it will be other contaminants.

I think it's unlikely bird flu would survive the process & there's probably something else in the mix.

In China they sell polluted milk to kids nevermind the standards for animal feed.

Aside: isn't it weird that you can transport dof food across the ocean & still make a profit? How & why etc.
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Oh, MA has a 98.2 % chance of being right......

It's that 1.8% chance that I spend my days worrying about.
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Doesn't surprise me..China caused the deaths of well over 100 persons back in 2007 when I was living there by selling anti-freeze as glycerin for the manufacture of cough syrup.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:42 PM   #11
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Ross............. I'm sorry for the loss of your dog.

They're our friends, they're family, they are a source of unconditional love.

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FDA Investigates Animal Illnesses Linked to Jerky Pet Treats

September 13, 2012
http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/.../ucm319463.htm
Wasn't there also a matter of dogs dying due to (IIRC) some additive in several brands of moist dog food sold here in the US ..... About four years ago..... Source was ....... China.

FOUND IT!


http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...od-china_N.htm


Chinese authorities acknowledged for the first time that ingredients exported to make pet food contained a prohibited chemical, stepping up their probe of two Chinese companies' roles in one of the USA's largest animal-food recalls.

While pledging cooperation with U.S. authorities investigating the recall, the Chinese government in a statement Thursday also disputed that the chemical — melamine, which is used to make plastic — was responsible for harming pets.

"There is no clear evidence showing that melamine is the direct cause of the poisoning or death of the pets," the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Beijing argued in a prepared statement. "China is willing to strengthen cooperation with the U.S. side … to find out the real cause leading to the pet deaths in order to protect the health of the pets of the two countries."

In a sign of government urgency, Chinese police two days ago sealed the headquarters of Binzhou Futian Bio-Technology, which exported rice protein concentrate to the USA for use in pet food. Paper strips were pasted across the doors of the eight ground-floor rooms the company rents in Wudi County, a five-hour drive southeast of Beijing.

As inspectors from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration prepare to visit the firms where the ingredients were made, Chinese and American food experts here say China's vast and fragmented food-processing industry makes inspection difficult and increases the likelihood of future problems.

FDA tests identified melamine in imported wheat gluten and rice protein concentrate in pet foods. It also has said cyanuric acid, a chemical related to melamine used in cleaning pools, was found in wheat gluten. The agency has said melamine, a chemical high in nitrogen, might have been added to the grain products to make them appear higher in protein than they were.

Since March 16, cat and dog food sold under more than 100 brand names have been recalled. The FDA has said 14 pets died after eating recalled foods, but anecdotal reports from veterinarians and pet owners point to higher numbers.

President Hu Jintao this week urged officials to intensify work on food safety, a growing concern among consumers in China, where mass poisonings from tainted products are common. Hu called on officials to monitor the entire food-production process and focus on prevention and resolving problems at their source.

That won't be easy, said Luo Yunbo at the College of Food Science and Nutritional Engineering at China Agricultural University, who briefed China's leader Monday on the FDA's role in food safety. "China is such a large country, with such a large population, and agricultural production is by individual farmers on a very small scale," Luo said. "There are so many farmers and food producers that it is a great challenge to inspect all foodstuffs and teach people better agricultural standards."

About 6,000 hogs in eight U.S. states may have been fed pet food made from salvage products that had the tainted rice gluten. The pet food was sold for reformulation before melamine was found. Several hundred hogs may have entered the human food supply, FDA officials said. While there is no tolerance for melamine in food, the FDA's Daniel McChesney said, "we believe the risks to be very low to humans."

Two more recalls were announced Thursday.

Costco Wholesale Corp. announced a recall of its Kirkland Signature Super Premium Lamb and Rice canned dog pet food with sell by dates of Aug. 21 2008 to April 15 of 2009. The food was made by American Nutrition using rice protein concentrate from Wilbur-Ellis, which imported the product from Binzhou Futian in China. Costco will mail 230,000 letters to all members who purchased the canned food on Friday, said Craig Wilson, food safety chief for Costco.

Chenango Valley Pet Foods also has begun voluntarily recalling pet foods manufactured with a certain shipment of rice protein concentrate it received from Wilbur-Ellis, the company said Thursday.

The pet foods were sold to customers in Wisconsin, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania, who in turn sold the products to their customers through catalog mail orders or retail outlets.

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Angry Pet Food Poison May Have Been Intentional

The Bastards are AT IT AGAIN!

Officials: Pet Food Poison May Have Been Intentional
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=3058844

They dumped that melamine into wheat gluten to increase the nitrogen levels during tests, making it look like protein. Then the company who did most of the soft-moist packaging, as well as custom canning for high-end food, bought it to save something like $0.03/pound over the American source. They put it into brands THAT WEREN'T EVEN SUPPOSED TO HAVE wheat gluten.

So one by one, the high-end pet food companies said their food didn't have wheat gluten, BECAUSE IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO, and by the dozens, reports came in of pets dying. One after another, those companies discovered their food, too, was contaminated.

Meanwhile, upon receiving opened bags of dogfood from heartbroken pet owners, the FDA refused to test, saying they might have been contaminated after being opened. Then it showed up in food for hogs for human consumption at a feedlot in Stocton, CA. And later it was found in commercial fish food for farmed fish. At that point, the FDA said it was safe, (with no testing), because it was 'too dilute' to hurt humans.

That's when I switched to organic or range fed meats for myself. There was no need to look for safe dog food. My dog died, before the story broke, after going into rapid, unexpected, and unexplained kidney failure.

I will never forget that time. Frantically sending daily updated lists of contaminated food to everyone I knew who had pets; finally giving up on that and sending recipes for home made food instead. There is NOTHING ethical about the pet food industry. Even when they aren't adding poison, pink slime would be an improvement over the floor sweepings that are cooked into 'food'.

I will never feed commercial pet food again. I haven't trusted the FDA since.

And you don't want to know what I think of American corporations outsourcing *anything* to China.
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