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Old 02-27-2017, 11:13 PM   #26
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Drum, much appreciation and many thanks for sharing your experience with kratom. It's always good to be able to benefit from the experience of a friend.
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NV, my middle daughter works at a shop that carries small amounts of a couple different strains. She mentioned the other day that it was banned for a while and then un-banned.

My other DD's friend used it to detox from heroin and he said it was 'a freaking miracle'. I've been reading a lot of stories of people saying the same thing. Using it to detox from heroin, pain pills, Suboxone and even methadone which is notoriously hard to come off of.

Sounds like it's very hard to overdose on too, take too much, you just end up puking like mad and it's very unpleasant.

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Old 02-27-2017, 11:28 PM   #28
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I hope you have good luck with it. For me, Maeng Da worked like Vicodin for a few weeks. But then, a few weeks maybe a few months in, two or three capsules didn't work anymore, and I needed 6 capsules or 8 capsules. And at that dosage it was making me anxious and my BP went up. Eventually, I gave it up entirely because of the side-effects.

Did you have any withdrawal symptoms when you stopped? I've been reading that withdrawal symptoms after long time use are either relatively mild or even non-existant.

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Drum, much appreciation and many thanks for sharing your experience with kratom. It's always good to be able to benefit from the experience of a friend.

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Old 02-27-2017, 11:38 PM   #29
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On avoiding tolerance

http://kratomonline.org/avoid-kratom-tolerance/

http://ensobotanicals.com/kratom-tolerance/

http://discoverkratom.org/prevent-kratom-tolerance/
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Old 02-28-2017, 12:29 AM   #30
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Did you have any withdrawal symptoms when you stopped? I've been reading that withdrawal symptoms after long time use are either relatively mild or even non-existant.
No, I don't think I had any withdrawal symptoms at all. Which is interesting. Some compounds are like that, THC in particular comes to mind. I was worried about the increase in my BP more than anything else.
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No, I don't think I had any withdrawal symptoms at all. Which is interesting. Some compounds are like that, THC in particular comes to mind. I was worried about the increase in my BP more than anything else.

Too bad it affected your BP so bad. I take half an atenolol every morning for anxiety symptoms, but it keeps my BP nice and low too.

That's very good to hear though. Something addicts can use to get off opiates that may not give them withdrawal symptoms when they quit it, or even just much milder symptoms.

I really hope the powers that be keep their grubby hands off of this herb. I can see where it could help a LOT of people in various ways. Addiction, pain, depression, anxiety. Some strains are good for depression and anxiety.
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https://www.wired.com/2016/11/kratom...ea-doesnt-ban/
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I took another dose this morning before work only this time I took about 2 or 3 TENTHS of a gram more than I did last night. About 2 hours in, I started to feel pretty queasy. If you're sensitive like me, and you're fine with one Vicodin but one and a half makes you queasy, I strongly suggest you get a little gram scale and weigh your doses. That little bit extra made a fair amount of difference. I have tons of energy this morning though. Wish I was at home taking it out on my apartment instead of work getting all the benefit.
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Pain relief lasted 6 1/2 hours for me this morning. That's pretty respectable.
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Kratom is a member of the coffee family. I was wondering if caffeine was what gave me so much (an unusual amount) of energy this morning. I don't see caffeine listed in the list of alkaloids in the plant. I did not have the jitters as I would have had with too much coffee or tea though. I'm very sensitive to caffeine.

Seriously, I worked at top speed this morning, it was great!
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It is a stimulant. I would assume that the body would get used to it in time, so that you would need more to create the same effect. Do you really want to go down that road? I mean, I have a hard time controlling my coffee consumption. If this stuff is killing pain on top of being stimulating, you aren't going to want to quit IMHO.
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It is a stimulant. I would assume that the body would get used to it in time, so that you would need more to create the same effect. Do you really want to go down that road? I mean, I have a hard time controlling my coffee consumption. If this stuff is killing pain on top of being stimulating, you aren't going to want to quit IMHO.
I'm very aware of the possibility of addiction and tolerance with this herb. I would be as careful with it as I am with the amount of pain meds I am allowed each month. I have been on the same dosage of pain meds, a relatively low dose (my doctor says) for 6 or 7 years. This is my third doc in that period of time and the first time I saw him I think he was surprised that the same dose was still working for me.

Stimulation is not my thing, really. I drink two cups of green tea in the morning and that's it.

Don't worry, Mouse. I don't intend to make a habit of this. I have been hearing about this herb for a long time and I was curious. Mostly I got it for DDs detox and she's never had it either. Thank you for your concern.
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Thanks for the play-by-play, drum. Interesting info to tuck away.

I have a cousin that's been stuck on methadone for at least 10 years. I wonder if it would help him get off it. Will mention it to him next time I talk to him.
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Thanks for the play-by-play, drum. Interesting info to tuck away.

I have a cousin that's been stuck on methadone for at least 10 years. I wonder if it would help him get off it. Will mention it to him next time I talk to him.

I've heard that methadone is harder to get off of than heroin. But in all the reading I've been doing, there are a few stories of people being able to get off methadone with this. If the person in question is on a higher dose, they might have to taper down some.

It would be worth a try!
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One last note here for a while, because I'm done experimenting.

Easy and more pleasant than the toss and wash method is to dump the stuff
in a hot drink and use a small whisk. I had a bit in hot coffee yesterday morning
and it wasn't too bad. No cream or sugar. I've tasted herbal teas that tasted worse.
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Also, in three doses over two days, I got what seemed like a mild tension headache twice. But occasionally I will get a headache with pain meds too.

This is the only side effect I experienced as far as I can tell other than that couple hours of relatively mild nausea
and I'm not even 100% positive that was related to a dose.
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A public service announcement.

I finally got to converse with DD's friend who used this for detox. On his recommendation, I ordered a couple ounces of the same strain he used and it came yesterday. Last night I tried some to get a feel for it and it is much stronger than the other strains I got.

So if anyone tries this, start low and work up. Different strains have different actions, as Sarrah's DH found out, and some are definitely stronger than others. An amount that feels just right with one strain, might make you queasy and woozy with another, as I found out last night. :O

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Giving it a go also. I'll let you know what I think. Thank you drum for all of the info.
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Have to say, similar to what drum reported, roughly the same feeling as taking a vicodin, been about an hour. Interesting.
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Have to say, similar to what drum reported, roughly the same feeling as taking a vicodin, been about an hour. Interesting.

What strain(s) did you get to try? And did you go with Phytoextractum or try another vendor?


I woke up from a nap a bit ago with a pretty bad toothache, have a tooth needs to come out
and keep putting it off. I'm out of pain pills for a few days so I took a tsp of kratom
in a cup of green tea. Half hour later, toothache completely gone. (tsp = about 2 grams)

I found that it seems to work better mixing at least two different strains. Each strain
has different levels of different alkaloids.

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I tried Bali, from a local place. This was just a proof of concept for me. I'm trying it again today as my hip and knee are raging this morning. I'll make a decision how to proceed after I see how it handles that.
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Did it work for your hip and knee?
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