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Old 08-05-2015, 01:53 PM   #1
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Default Caffeine after SHTF

See my article posted here: http://thisbluemarble.com/showthread...876#post518876 how to use wild Youpon to make caffeinated "tea" (really and infusion) after SHTF.Youpon is the only native plant in the US which has caffein.AND IT GROWS WILD AROUND HERE.Woot!
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http://www.foragingtexas.com/2008/08/yaupon-holly.html

The most complex, richest flavors comes from roast-drying the leaves in an oven set at 400F. This requires some practice and experimentation. Lay the leaves on a cookie-sheet. There can be some overlap but each leaf needs some exposure to the air. Put the cookie-sheet in the oven and watch the leaves as they turn brown. The darker you let the leaves get the more roasted and complex flavors you will release. Warning: if they get too dark they have a scorched flavor.



Do not mistake yaupon holly for the toxic Chinese privet (Ligustrum sinense).


If you don't live where Yaupon grows wild, maybe you can grow your own, if conditions are right:

http://www.worldseedsupply.com/produ...k-drink-seeds/




Here's a map showing where the stuff grows wild.

http://www.foragingtexas.com/2008/08/yaupon-holl
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Left Yaupon hollyRight Chinese privet."The leaves of yaupon holly and Chinese privet are very similar in shape and size. An easy way to tell them apart is the leaves of the Chinese privet grow in a uniform pinnate manner."Don't believe the maps. I would bet the growth is more extensive. My country is neglected and it wild here.So, take a look. You never know.
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I was at a recent agricultural show in Georgia and met with a guy who was sellingHolly Tea made from a specific holly that grows wild. I think he said the holly was toxic because of all of the caffeine!
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Time to trim those ******* this weekend.

Perhaps I will gather all the cuttings, put them in the garage and let them long term air dry like that web page said they should.
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Default 1,000 Years Ago, Caffeinated Drinks Had Native Americans Buzzing




Make mine a venti: An example of a drinking vessel from the
Grasshopper Pueblo archaeological site in central Arizona. Researchers
tested shards of similar vessels found at various sites in the American
Southwest and found evidence that people in the region were drinking
caffeinated cacao and yaupon holly drinks 1,000 years back.
Courtesy Patricia Crown


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Feeding a caffeine habit is no sweat in our day and age: Just raid the office kitchen for some tea or hit one of the coffee shops that pepper the landscape.

But 1,000 years ago, Native Americans in the American Southwest and Mexican Northwest were getting their buzz on in landscapes where no obvious sources of caffeine grew, according to new findings published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The research shows that people in the arid region — who had no nearby sources of caffeine — not only made drinks from cacao, the seed that is used to make chocolate, but also brewed drinks from the leaves and twigs of yaupon holly. That suggests that they had developed pretty extensive networks to trade caffeinated products between 750 and 1400 AD.
The rest at NPR.
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Based on the map, we are screwed here in WA state if TSHTF.
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If S ever HTF, I am going to be rich!

I am going to harvest and dry all I can, grind the leaves to make it unrecognizable and clean up on trade goods!

Come on tea embargo!
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Based on the map, we are screwed here in WA state if TSHTF.
It appears that real tea (as in Camellia sinensis) can be grown in at least part of Washington state.

http://www.usberryplants.com/tea.aspx
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It appears that real tea (as in Camellia sinensis) can be grown in at least part of Washington state.

http://www.usberryplants.com/tea.aspx
Raintree Nursery in Morton sells three or four different kinds of tea plants....check their online catalog.
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Plant of the Week: Yaupon Holly (Ilex vomitoria)

http://www.flpublicarchaeology.org/b...lex-vomitoria/
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Caffeine after TSHTF..,

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Add citrus flower nectar to the list for caffeine after TEOTWAWKI.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34532636

Caffeinated plants give bees a buzz
By Victoria Gill
Science reporter, BBC News
15 October 2015
From the section Science & Environment


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The team used artificial nectar laced with caffeine to test its effects on bees
A morning caffeine dose is something that so many of us find irresistible, and according to research, foraging bees seek a similar buzz.

Many plants produce caffeine, primarily as a naturally bitter deterrent against plant-devouring insects, like caterpillars.

But an experiment with caffeinated nectar has now shown bees are attracted to and even "drugged" by the compound.

The research is published in the journal Current Biology.

Prof Francis Ratnieks from the University of Sussex, a senior member of the research team explained that previous research had shown that caffeine boosted bees' memories of the location of a flower.

"So people [already] thought it would affect their perception of nectar," he told BBC News.

To find out if this was the case, the research team set up two artificial flowers for bees to feed from - one containing sugary nectar without caffeine, and another with a concentration of the compound similar to that found in many plants.

So they could record each individual bee's behaviour, the team glued tiny identification numbers to the insects' backs.

'Akin to drugging'
The bees would return to the caffeinated nectar more quickly - making slightly more foraging trips, but the most striking finding was that caffeine "made the bees dance" much more.



Many plants, including citrus tree blossoms, have caffeine in their nectar

After a visit to the caffeinated nectar, honeybees were much more likely to perform their waggle dance - a series of movements that communicate the location of a nectar source to their nest-mates.

By dancing, explained Prof Ratnieks, "they're communicating - hey I've found some good food".

"The vast majority of bees don't waggle dance - they only do it to communicate a particularly good location."

So the caffeine had an effect on the insects that was "akin to drugging" - causing behave as though the nectar source was of higher quality, and richer in sugar.

"And it's presumably cheaper for the plant to produce a small amount of caffeine than a large amount more sugar."

Dr Margaret Couvillon, who led the study, said the "post-exposure" effects on the bees were also very surprising.

"The bees that had been foraging on the caffeine kept revisiting the feeder [for many days] once it was empty," she told BBC News.
"So the effects of this one three hour experience (of caffeine) lasted for many days."
Dr Couvillon explained that, while the classic image of pollination was a "warm, mutualistic relationship," where the pollinator receives a reward from the plant, this showed a conflict.

She said: "We're showing a way that the plant gets the upper hand on the bee, through an action that's akin to drugging."
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